Is Lsd Back ?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BOBDYLAN replied on Wed Feb 14, 2007 @ 3:47am |
 Coolness: 148195 | hahaha yeah he don't....bim bam boom boom bim bam |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PitaGore replied on Wed Feb 14, 2007 @ 10:48am |
 Coolness: 471815 | u guys dont know either, neither do i, who the fuck really knows anyways ?! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Morphine replied on Wed Feb 14, 2007 @ 12:06pm |
 Coolness: 50980 | anyone with half a brain is his head would.....a quick test for lsd is as follows: drop a blotter into a few ml's of water in a small glass receptacle (eg: test tube). let it sit for a few minutes, then turn off the lights and shine a blacklight on it. the lsd will fluoresce a bright whitish blue.
i'll post a link later to a very informative document put together by MAPS (multi-disciplinary association for psychedelic studies) that discusses adulterating blotter. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PitaGore replied on Wed Feb 14, 2007 @ 1:37pm |
| Coolness: 471815 | i heard about that trick already but bring it on (the MAPS document) , thanks ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Wed Feb 14, 2007 @ 2:29pm |
 Coolness: 153015 | morphine, then your buvard desnt come from mtl, most probably western canada ...
and i dont do that shit so im not uber-informed anymore, but from people i know who does lots, the only lsd they can get wich is pure, is from western canada ... not mtl and mcko_s you just STFU if you have nothing constructive to say ... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Morphine replied on Wed Feb 14, 2007 @ 2:30pm |
| Coolness: 50980 | yeah here it is. its long but an interesting read nonetheless
MAPS: Special Digest: LSD on Blotter Paper smiile at [ usit.net ] smiile at [ usit.net ] Mon Jan 18 02:48:34 CST 1999 * Previous message: MAPS: LSD vs. LSA? * Next message: MAPS: Special Digest: LSD on Blotter Paper * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Contributions from Kit Bonson, robert keil, Peter Webster, Anthony Steele, psilo, Chris Cappuccio, Bob Wallace, and Gennady Rut ---------------- From: kbonson at codon.nih.gov (Kit Bonson) Subject: Re: MAPS: Special Digest: Re: Questions on "LSD on paper" >From: Edmond Kelly >Subject: RE: MAPS: Questions on "LSD on paper" > >It is my understanding that a piece of blotter paper is only capable on >holding 200 micrograms of any drug substance. Actually, this may not be true. A couple of years ago there was a report in a psychiatric journal saying that a patient reported taking mescaline in blotter form. I asked our pharmacist at work if this was possible, presuming that an effective dose of mescaline of ~400 mg would not go into a small blotter. But the pharmacist and I figured out, based on solubility and such, that it was possible. Of course, it is extremely unlikely that someone would attempt to dissolve mescaline or other substances (amphetamine, strychnine, whathaveyou that's been claimed to be in blotter) at such a sludge-like concentration (ie: the smallest amount of liquid possible) and then re-apply this sludge to a piece of blotter. So it is still next to zero that blotters have mescaline or adulterants in them. >I know of no psychoactive >drug other than LSD that is active orally at doses that low. Fentanyl, an opioid, is extremely potent and is psychoactive for pain at 100 micrograms (it is 80 times more potent than morphine). >the FBI reports that from its analysis of seized blotter paper LSD, they >believe that all blotter paper LSD is either totally the real thing or >nothing at all. Basically, this means that blotter paper LSD is the single >safest "street drug" in the sense that you always know what it is. This is true, however. And I believe the late PharmChem labs reported similar data. >I have known people who claim that their blotter paper LSD was still good >after they pulled it out of storage after more than a year which leads me to >believe that if it is stored properly, it can last much longer than Albert >Hofmann estimated. It must be protected from oxidation by the paper to some >extent. The reports of continued potency after over a year involved storage >in aluminum foil in a freezer. Perhaps the cold and lack of air contributed. I believe someone told me that if kept properly that it will lose only approximately half its potency in something like 10 years. On the other hand, I know a scientist who says the original Sandoz LSD he received for experiments in the 60's is still just fine for his investigational needs in animals. Kit -------------------- From: robert keil Subject: Re:MAPS: Questions on "LSD on paper" I became fascinated by the question of what adulterants could appear in blotter paper and undertook a few simple experiments to determine just how much material you could get onto a piece of paper. I used caffeine and another amine salt (alpha-methylbenzylamine. A completely inactive compound with similar chemical properties to amphetamine. It is completely legal) and made concentrated solutions of both of these. I then took several sheets of absorbant papers, ranging from notebook paper to thicker art paper, to paper towels and soaked them in these solutions. I found that, in general, the maximum amount of salt that a paper will absorb when dried in on the order of 5-10mg/cm2. When you get above this region, the salts start forming a coating on the surface. The upshot of this is that there aren't many compounds that are active at the 5-10 mg range. It seems that aldulterating paper sheets with strychnine, amphetamine, etc, would be somewhat difficult and not terribly cost effective for the dealer. I too am curious about purity of paper and pill LSD samples, and have not seen many reports on the subject. As regards your oxidation question, any reaction occuring on a paper surface is going to involve many variables (temperature, exposure to oxygen, humidity, pH of the paper, amount of light exposure) that make it difficult to predict how fast the compound will degrade. I don't think it is possible to give a simple rule of thumb for this process robert keil phd professor of chemistry moorpark college all opinions are my own, not my schools etc etc ------------------------ From: Peter Webster Subject: Re: MAPS: Special Digest: Re: Questions on "LSD on paper" >From: Edmond Kelly >Subject: RE: MAPS: Questions on "LSD on paper" > >It is my understanding that a piece of blotter paper is only capable on >holding 200 micrograms of any drug substance. It is possible to put speed or perhaps strychnine on a bit of paper in an amount that might be psychoactive, but nearly all suspicions of such are more of paranoia than likelihood. If an outfit can manufacture LSD they are very rarely going to put speed on the paper with it. If their output is so limited that they resort to this, they are not going to produce an amount that will enter general circulation. Here's a sure-fire way to judge blotter. Put a blotter dose at the bottom of a small test tube, and squirt in a few ml. of water, while observing it under a long-wave blacklight. Room lights should be off. LSD is very soluble in water, and in solution it fluoresces a brilliant blue-white colour under blacklight illumination. AS a reference, quinine, as in the tonic or quinine water used to make gin & tonic, fluoresces the same color. Blotter paper can be stored for long periods in an airtight bottle in a freezer. It will decompose slowly, but the decomposition products are not harmful or active in the doses produced by the decomposition. AND, if you disslove off the active LSD in water as above and then pull out the blotter, you will see that the dark stain mostly remians on the paper, thus the water solution has purified the dose to a significant extent. Of course, the amount dissolved will not be optimum, so it may be necessry to use tPeter Webster or even more to arrive at a full dose. With some practice, using the same test tube size and amount of water, the brightness of the fluoresence will even give a reasonable test of the strength. Bright blue fluoresence is what you are looking for, if it looks only pale yellow, there is not much left. pw ------------- From: "Anthony Steele" To: "Holger Wagner" Subject: RE: MAPS: Questions on "LSD on paper" > I know that there have been reports of > speed and even strychnine being sold as LSD - but I assume that those There are also reports of MDMA causing Parkinson's disease ;) but that doesn't make it true. Read [ www.lycaeum.org ] for a reality check "a 5mm x 5mm "standard" square of blotter LSD only weights about 2mg and if the paper itself was made completely out of pure strychnine it is still on the very low end of Strychnine's threshold of activity" The other documents at [ www.lycaeum.org ] are also quite good. > a) I understand that LSD is a very potential hallucinogen, and *assume* > that this is a reason why it is possible to distribute it on paper > instead of tablets. Are there other drugs which could be distributed > that way, or: does that make sure that on paper-LSD, there can be no > other drugs in effective doses? > Are there any reports available on what doses or > drugs are sold as "LSD on paper" (like it exists for Ecstasy)? > Yes, there is one at [ www.lycaeum.org ] Quite old (Early 70s), and most of the data is about non-paper forms. DOB is also active in very low does and can apparently be found on blotter, the report is at: [ members.xoom.com ] > b) In "LSD - my problem child", Albert Hoffman says that LSD is easily > oxidated and thus would hardly "survive" more than a few weeks or months > (p. 78f, German version). However, some people claim they used > "paper-LSD" that has been months old and that it was still effective. If > that is true - does it mean that there must have been some other drug > involved which is not as vulnerable to oxygene as LSD, could that be the > result of a placebo effect or is it possible that LSD lasts much longer > than expected under certain circumstances? > How long LSD lasts depends on how you store it. (Mod. note: psilo, below, continues discussion of storage.) ------------------ From: psilo Subject: Re: MAPS: Questions on "LSD on paper" > that is true - does it mean that there must have been some other drug > involved which is not as vulnerable to oxygene as LSD, could that be the > result of a placebo effect or is it possible that LSD lasts much longer > than expected under certain circumstances? It depends on storage methods. If one keeps LSD in a cool, dark place, well sealed, than the decomposition can be kept to a minimum. Otherwise, keeping it in, say, ones wallet, the LSD will breakdown and any remaining activity will likely be from other stable isomers with a similar activity (but not as desireable as clean, pure LSD-25). Most users of LSD know that long term storage decreases the potency of blotter acid, and that a once potent set of blotter can turn into, while still active, mediocre grade. Hope this has been of some help, aloha psilo ------------------------ From: Chris Cappuccio Subject: Re: MAPS: Special Digest: Re: Questions on "LSD on paper" Please read the following two links, they are very informative and raise some good questions about this. [ www.lycaeum.org ] [ www.lycaeum.org ] ---------------------- From: Bob Wallace Subject: Re: MAPS: Questions on "LSD on paper" Holger Wagner wrote: >I have a few questions about LSD as it is sold on the black market. >Obviously, a major problem is that there is no way of finding out which >dose comes on one "portion". According to DEA seizure stats, in the US anyway it's about 40-80 mcg. >However, I've been wondering about a few more things: > >a) I understand that LSD is a very potential hallucinogen, and *assume* >that this is a reason why it is possible to distribute it on paper >instead of tablets. Are there other drugs which could be distributed >that way, or: does that make sure that on paper-LSD, there can be no >other drugs in effective doses? A few; DOB is probably the most likely, which is also a psychedelic. There are other psychedelics as potent, but they are uncommon and probably would be more difficult to make than LSD. "Mescaline microdot" is probably really DOB. >result of a placebo effect or is it possible that LSD lasts much longer >than expected under certain circumstances? Most likely the paper was just stored in an oxygen-free environment, such as a ziplock, or even within the pages of a book or magazine with coated paper. - Bob Wallace (just my opinion); bobw at [ promind.com ] Mind Books offers publications about psychedelics; books at [ promind.com ] or [ www.promind.com ] ------------------------- From: Gennady Rut Subject: Re: MAPS: Special Digest: Re: Questions on "LSD on paper" At 12:12 PM 1/14/99 -0500, you wrote: >From: Edmond Kelly >Subject: RE: MAPS: Questions on "LSD on paper" >It is my understanding that a piece of blotter paper is only capable on >holding 200 micrograms of any drug substance. I do recognize that such a >claim would assume a standard size square of blotter paper so one may wish >to add a margin of error of 20 to 40 micrograms. I know of no psychoactive >drug other than LSD that is active orally at doses that low. Somewhere on the Lycaeum I read the trip report (Interactive Spiritual Growth, I have it locally on my HD) about administration of 500 micrograms of 2,5-DIMETHOXY-4-BROMOAMPHETAMINE, DOB. Experience was profound. Shulgin in PiKHAL began from 400 micrograms and experienced a distinct enhancement of visual perception, and some strengthening of colors. A clean, cold feeling of wind on the skin. felt an enriched emotional affect, a comfortable and good feeling, and easy sleeping with colorful and important dreams. No doubt it was racemate material. L-isomer is double as strong and therefore we do have substance (substances, counting the DOI) that can be active in such a small, 200-250 micrograms, amount. Gennady Simferopol Crimea Ukraine |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PitaGore replied on Wed Feb 14, 2007 @ 3:25pm |
| Coolness: 471815 | THANKS for this, i havent read anything past what Robert Anton Wilson wrote on the topic, which was more philosophical than informative
way appreciated |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» WassUpOnEarth replied on Fri Mar 2, 2007 @ 1:40am |
 Coolness: 47880 | I've done liquid acid at a GREAT event...(I'm so cool  )
And it was sooo insanely cool |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Morphine replied on Fri Mar 2, 2007 @ 9:33am |
| Coolness: 50980 | was it hoffmans 100th bday by any chance? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» metal_user replied on Sat Mar 3, 2007 @ 5:26am |
 Coolness: 41115 | mmm lsd's back |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Psilo replied on Sat Mar 3, 2007 @ 10:36pm |
 Coolness: 82690 | D'apres moi, aucune drogue n'a autant fait speculer que Lucy...
j'va peut-etre radotter pcq j'me suis pas tape les 15 pages avant de poster,dsl. Voici donc mes speculations sur ce sujet si interressant: - il y a deux endroit en amerique du nord ou y'a de vrai labos de LSD, Californie et Colombie-Britanique. - Le LSD est une drogue des plus volatille. Elle se deteriore {perd ses proprietes} tres facillement au contact de l'air, a la lumiere ou pres d'une source de chaleur aussi minime soit-elle. Mais meme dans un endroit hermetique, noir et froid il se deteriore asser vite. Du LSD fraie sortit du four c'est trop puissant,en deux jours ca devient deja ~20x moins puissant {imagines,hum!}. Ensuite t'en as pour une couples de semaines a avoir des hits "bien a point". C'est la que tu te pose pas de question si c'est de l'acide, c'est la qu'elle est coloré, visuelle,hallucinante. Malheureusement, vu la distance qui nous separe du westcoast, on as souvent dl'acide plus agée...{comme la 4:20 ou la premiere batch de Mr.Clean}. - Le Mythe du buvard au PCP...meme moi j'sais pu trop quoi en penser. Petite historique de la rumeur: Au debut des annees 90 les "buvard au PCP" font leurs apparitions. Ont apprends rapidement qu'il etait impossible de liquefier efficacement le PCP; donc pas de buvard. Ensuite la rumeur circule qu'il ont trouver le moyen de le liquefier en y ajoutant un douteux ingredient, mais que c'etait pas asser fort pour mettre en buvard {genre aurais fallu que tu gobe a sheetload of pape}. C'est sur qui peut y avoir plein de cochonneries sur un buvard, mais quand tu as souvent faite dla bonne acide pis que ta souvent fait dla wizz\mesc\pcp tu peux juste pas te tromper. Chu peut-etre chanceux mais j'penses pas avoir deja pris un buvard avec du pcp dessus.Anyway du PC pur ca iradie vert fluo toxique dans le noir...pas mon buvard,hehe. Montrez-moi un rapport de lab disant qu'un buvard contient d'la mess, ca mettras un terme a bien des annees de questionnement. - Les Microdot de biker {beige-jaune-bleu-rouge-mauve-NOIR} c'etait de l'acide lysergique synthetique de pietre qualite. Vraiment pas clean!...mais si bonnes... - Btw si vous pouvez mettre la main sur les acide "Maya" ,a Mtl c'est temps-ci,posez-vous pas de question! C'est une valeur sur...clean, coloré, pas trop agée. y'ont un signe maya\aztek dessus la sheet. - LOL le LSD est pas de retour... il a toujours ete la! c'etait de plus petite batch qui circulait en circuit fermé. Heureusement ce point est entrain de changer{10 000hits dla shot}. - La drogue c'est mal! l'acide ne laisse peut-etre aucune sequelle physique visible mais elle peut rendre fou autant qu'elle peut te faire vivre de merveilleuses experience. Moi je peu remplacer mon cerveau, vous pas! Droguez-vous prudemment! Signez: ...un acidboy... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DrGonzo replied on Sat Mar 3, 2007 @ 10:47pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Sun Mar 4, 2007 @ 12:24pm |
| Coolness: 153015 | - il y a deux endroit en amerique du nord ou y'a de vrai labos de LSD, Californie et Colombie-Britanique.
c ca que jdisait, si ta du vrai buvard c paske yer pas faite ici, mais au bc ... fek areter de mostiner sur quechose que vous savez pas plus que moi ... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Psilo replied on Mon Mar 5, 2007 @ 3:17pm |
| Coolness: 82690 | oh! u do give a fucK! ;} |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PitaGore replied on Tue Mar 6, 2007 @ 1:16pm |
| Coolness: 471815 | trust me its still around
i'm back from the dead |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Tue Mar 6, 2007 @ 2:00pm |
| Coolness: 153015 | i do fuck! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DrGonzo replied on Tue Mar 6, 2007 @ 4:25pm |
| Coolness: 265965 | vos gueules pis vendez moi dlacide. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Psilo replied on Tue Mar 6, 2007 @ 4:53pm |
| Coolness: 82690 | hehe SeB! ca fesait un bout tu t'etais pas paye une bonne ride?? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PitaGore replied on Wed Mar 7, 2007 @ 12:08pm |
| Coolness: 471815 | une ride aussi profonde , merveilleuse et effrayante en même temps ....certainement pas ..pis j'l'ai pris un peu à la légère..pis damn !  |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Party_Girl replied on Thu Mar 8, 2007 @ 2:13pm |
 Coolness: 377485 | i wish real LSD was back...but it isnt!!! when i did my first LSD about 7 years ago.. now that was the bomb...i hallucinated for a good 12 hours non-stop...but ive tried what people sell now and it just feels like a mush trip...so no LSD isnt back!!! |
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