Faith And Fate
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Hhm replied on Wed Jun 23, 2004 @ 11:50am |
 Coolness: 56135 | you had to edit your post? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Atrix replied on Wed Jun 23, 2004 @ 11:52am |
 Coolness: 55410 | I'm not trying to porve the existance of GOd, and the mere suggestion on your part that I am indicates that you either didn't read me carefully or are missing the boat entirely. Anyways, Ian, you're a good bloke, but your errors in logic and argument are indicative of your lack of understanding of too many areas implicit to a debate such as this. This is probably not your area of study and I don't think you really understand what's being discussed here becasue if you did, you wouldn't be raising the Grade 8 questions. Read some more about psychology, evolutionary biology, and physics. I recommend the Elegant Universe by Brian Greene. But I'm not wasting any more time on this. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Violence_Inc replied on Wed Jun 23, 2004 @ 1:55pm |
 Coolness: 174210 | My edit was that everyone could so easily say, “Go ahead prove God”. My response to that is, go ahead disprove God?
Obviously that is impossible so this is a useless debate that has a circular argument. The one thing validates a god or gods is your faith or lack there of, end of argument. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Jun 23, 2004 @ 2:05pm |
 Coolness: 339785 | see i would feel the need to disprove the existance of a god, but thing is there's nothing to show that a god does exist.. so why bother..
scientists don't go about saying "prove black holes don't exist.." no, they go and try and show that they DO exist cause it's not completely evident that they do.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» eLDee replied on Wed Jun 23, 2004 @ 2:41pm |
 Coolness: 121035 | "but thing is there's nothing to show that a god does exist.."
Put everything that religions say about god aside and then prove that he doesn't exist. The fact that everything in the universe is so finely put together, that atoms and mollecules were able to get 'conscious' of their surrounding and then united to create 'life' is beyond me. Once again human selfishness and ego blind us from discovering our true origins. If somebody denies god it's because of what religions have to say about him/her/it it's because they haven't looked far enough. Human senses aren't developped enough to feel and percieve everythign around us. Saying that something isn't there just because we can't see it or hear it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And Ian you're just arguing for the sake of it, you don't bring any proofs to your claims.. it's just empty words. Prove to us that god doesn't exist instead of just saying it. Even tho we have *some* intelligence, the Universe is waaay too complex for us to grasp it and understand it. Notions of good and evil are purely human. If a human kills another one all of a sudden he's labeled 'evil' and punished accordingly. If a lion kills a gazelle he's just 'hungry' and life goes on. Why would god give more importance to human life and less to the gazelle's? Saying that god doesn't exist just because 'bad' things happen isn't a good argument. Good, bad, evil, .. are all human concepts and it's too easy to take the wrong path if you want to explain something using them. Humans are responasble for their own demise. My 2 cents |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Atrix replied on Wed Jun 23, 2004 @ 4:02pm |
| Coolness: 55410 | Trying to get a human to understand the universe from planet Earth is akin to trying to get an ant to understand mechanical engineering by placing it on an engine piston. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kai replied on Wed Jun 23, 2004 @ 4:32pm |
 Coolness: 48035 | Originally posted by DJNEOFORM...
see i would feel the need to disprove the existance of a god, but thing is there's nothing to show that a god does exist.. so why bother.. scientists don't go about saying "prove black holes don't exist.." no, they go and try and show that they DO exist cause it's not completely evident that they do.. there is a black hole at the center of every galaxy. they figured that out a while back. AND for anyone who has issues with god. HUMANS INVENTED GOD. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kai replied on Wed Jun 23, 2004 @ 4:36pm |
| Coolness: 48035 | Originally posted by @TRIX...
Trying to get a human to understand the universe from planet Earth is akin to trying to get an ant to understand mechanical engineering by placing it on an engine piston. That's agreat way of expolaining perspective. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» michaeldino replied on Wed Jun 23, 2004 @ 5:39pm |
 Coolness: 69095 | *vomits uncontrolably*
i called a guy to pick seven differents types of dead animal off the road today! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Thu Jun 24, 2004 @ 3:08am |
| Coolness: 339785 | Originally posted by EL-DEE...
And Ian you're just arguing for the sake of it, you don't bring any proofs to your claims.. it's just empty words. Prove to us that god doesn't exist instead of just saying it. My 2 cents gladly. however first i think we need to clarify what exactly it is that you consider god to be.. cause if your definition of god is: the force that created everything and anything.. then hell i'm jumping ship and swimming over to your boat.. cause hey, SOMETHING did create everything.. you wanna call that god.. knock yourself out. but claiming that this 'god' sees you, loves you and even takes notice to your existance.. is.. well. a laugh. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Jun 24, 2004 @ 12:38pm |
 Coolness: 201345 | If you take the "many-worlds" theory Dan brought up, which makes my brain hurt every time I think about it, and combine it with "evolution", you can put together an interesting idea. Suppose using that theory that humankind evolves in many different directions in different universes. In some we are wiped out my nuclear war, in some we are wiped out by a terrible disease that we can't treat, in some we are wiped out by a giant rock from the sky falling to our planet, and in some we, and our technology, continues to evolve. Suppose in one universe we are able to evolve for billions of years (at which point we would have left our home planet and probably would look very different, the humans of today compared to what we evolve into would be like comparing the first life on earth (single cell organisms) to what we are now.
Now suppose in one of these universes we evolve to the point where we become pure omnipotent energy which has the power to not only transcend time but also any of the infinitely possible universes in the many-worlds theory. Maybe that's what God is. The Hyperion series by Dan Simmons explored several ideas like that, except in his book there were several Gods from several different possible futures and they began fighting. Good series of books they are! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» eLDee replied on Thu Jun 24, 2004 @ 3:41pm |
| Coolness: 121035 | "claiming that this 'god' sees you, loves you and even takes notice to your existance.. is.. well. a laugh."
Not my fault you're a trance dj and that god hates you. And once again you're refereing to a religious version of god who loves everything and bla bla bla so you're back to square 0. Prove to me beyond reasonable doubt that god doesn't exist. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Fri Jun 25, 2004 @ 2:04am |
| Coolness: 339785 | HEY, i said GIVE ME YOUR DEFINITION OF GOD, then i followed that up with "if your definition is..."... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Violence_Inc replied on Fri Jun 25, 2004 @ 8:33am |
| Coolness: 174210 | You want God to love you, yet you only seem to speak out his lack of existence.
God isn't meant to just hand out what everyone desires or prays for. Events occur that are beyond our reasoning. Now I don't per say believe in the Christian "God", but that there is a higher being(s). I hope to believe God is a benevolent force, and that things will work out in the end. My definition is simply my faith, and your lack of beliefs in your lack of compound evidence. Therefore I don't expect you to believe in revelation, tribulation or the rapture. But don't expect me to follow your mindset, just because you think God has given up on you, is no reason to give up on God. Suffering is a part of life to; it’s a part of self-growth. Without sadness and sorrow, love and happiness could not be defined. All in all this is simply a piece of my beliefs, and am just spout it to the air, I am not attempting to sway you to believe what I believe because any sort of ecclesiastical structure is an abomination. It is simply a matter of you must search your own soul. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Fri Jun 25, 2004 @ 10:34am |
| Coolness: 339785 | don't have a soul. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Atrix replied on Fri Jun 25, 2004 @ 10:41am |
| Coolness: 55410 | That is a personal choice that I respect. |
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