Pretty sure Shambhala gets criticised everywhere. The truth is that it's getting more popular and known by the mainstream crowd so obviously it ends up attracting some troublemakers. There's no way to avoid this. In terms of music and deco and party, I doubt it's "getting bad".

There's always people who will look down on Shamb saying "it used to be better". The truth is that it's probably these people who are getting old and rusty.

I personally didn't go to Shamb last year because I wanted to spend time in the festivals here in Quebec and probably won't go next year cause I prefer to spend time in the smaller festivals (probably Entheos and our festivals here) and BM if I can afford it. Shambhala's always awesome, but it's a big fucking crazy monster at the same time and I don't think I'll have the energy for it this summer (then again, the iine up is what will convince me to go or not).

Is Adam paying you to support Open Mind? Haha...just kidding.

Shambhala definitely doesn't suck. It's definitely one of the best canadian parties.

I doubt we'll ever have the chance to see bigass art pieces like they have over there anywhere locally. I love our parties and festivals, I love our local crowd, but I'm definitely thinking about going to Burning Man for the art and experience of it.

Wanna go this summer after a couple of BC festivals (probably not Shambhala this year though).

Ou est-ce que ça se trouve, du styrofoam en blocs?

Excellent party, c'était bien de voir de l'art, de la bonne musique et beaucoup de monde (peut-être un peu trop par contre).

J'adore l'espèce de stalactite technoïde accroché au plafond. Quelqu'un pourrait m'informer sur son origine ? (qui l'a construit et comment)

Drum and quoi?

Reallly liking this. I'd love to see DJs mix that kinda stuff once in a while. Maybe it would attract a more mature crowd to bass music events? Just saying...

Wally, I think that what Raisin's comment is pointing at is that if you are trying to generalize a style of music with a negative point of view, you can easily end up with the conclusion that "it all sound the same". And it's kinda true in a sense. Most genres that become popular at one point end up with 90% of the production sounding too much like they were made by the same kids without imagination.

Pretty much what is happening with dubstep at the moment.

Loving the first track in your post Wally, btw.

It's not exactly like Salvia. But it can be a very, very, very introspective experience. I've seen some people cry after taking DMT...I once did.

But it is also a bit like Salvia in the sense that they both can bring you to a state of consciousness where information is delivered in a much faster, much more complex way. There is more than the 4 dimensions we are used to in the "normal" spacetime conscious experience. Encounters with what some people call "entities" or "spirits" often happens with both Salvia and DMT.

Important to note that DMT is one of the main ingredients of the Ayahuasca mixture wich is usually a very introspective experience (although I never tried it, to be honnest).

Also, although I enjoyed Strassman's book and documentary, I think everybody should know that most of his "discoveries" are mainly hypothesis. It has never been confirmed that DMT is produced by the pineal gland, never been confirmed that DMT is released during birth, death, and dreamstate, etc...



And much more.

Believed the same thing for a long time before I actually started listening to some psytrance with an open mind.

Every genre of electronic music sounds boring and generic until you start really exploring it and looking for the jems. Just think about DnB for a minute...... "amen break"....fuck, will they ever get tired of it?

And maybe you'll be suprised to learn that psytrance producers also have access to samples! This technology is not strictly reserved to DnB artists. There is more to samples than simply cutting a drum break and looping it.

Funny how so many people can't repress their anger about another scene like that...

Must be jealousy.

I don't get it, really. I gave a chance to pretty much every music genre and a lot of different "scenes". The conclusion is always the same... There's bad apples everywhere.

Maybe if people stopped worrying about other communities' problems and tried to focus on making things better for themselves and the people around them that would lead to a better situation for everyone?

People who lose so much of their time being hateful and negative make me think they probably are the bad apples of their group (or lonely bad apples maybe...)

Juste comme ça...je me demande quel est l'âge moyen de la population de [ rave.ca ]

...

Cheesecake.

And then, if you feel like something's missing in your life...smoke more weed.

And then get mooaar cheesecake!

I'd have a hard time choosing a "favorite autechre album". They are all so different and genius.

Bah, Glitch Hop can't replace Psy...even the most trippy glitch-hop.

I love psy for the magical melodies, glitch-hop for the twisted funkyness. Still think the psy festivals should have some glitch-hop and trippy dubstep. Glitch-Hop doesn't always have lyrics, AlienZed.


Sad there aint gonna be no Space Gathering this year.

Fuck man.... Now I'm jealous.

Autechre, Aphex, Orbital...

I'm still hoping to see Autechre back in Montreal soon.

Look for Merzbow...



...ah ha....

What she said. Ektoplazm is about artists who are making music for free, not piracy.

If a community of artists making music for the sake of sharing the magic for free makes you sick, then fuck, I don't know what to say.

Yeah, as said, glitch is older than Jirku's music. Some of the older IDM and (real) industrial is actually glitch music. Coil is a good example of the first forms of glitch music (but you could look even earlier with the first experiments with tapes, music concrete in general too).

The aesthetics of glitch music as been mixed with lotsa differents genres. Drill'n'Bass and Breakcore are often very glitchy in nature. Ambient, and IDM are also very influenced by glitch music (and in my opinion, the difference between IDM and glitch can be very blury).

And there's still lots of glitchy music, it's just not always as experimental...probably because we have heard what totally abstract glitches sounds like and it gets boring fast (or becomes noise).

Really liking how Glitch-Hop is developping at the moment. Would love to see it get bigger in Montreal when the dubstep trend will die and bass lovers are gonna look for something fresh.




As for something new with a more glitch purist attitude:



Yeah, real glitch is for geeks.

Borgore ruined it.

Mochipet does both breakcore and dubstep/glitch-hop.

I'm not really a fan of his music though.

As for real, pure glitch.... This is what it sounds like:

True story: Salvia once brought me to another dimension where an evil fairy queen ripped my head and parts of my body in a bloody mess before sending me back in my (real) body while she was screaming obscenities in a language out of this world.

Salvia isn't for the weak minds. It's not a game.

Chill room: Dark ambient, psydub, IDM (downtempo) and deep dubstep.

Main room: Psybreaks, IDM (drill'n'bass+midtempo stuff), glitch-hop, dubstep (the good stuff, not the dirty mindless bangers)...

I'd like to hear some Electro Swing too...

I like this one.

Kinda funny for some reason...

Dubstep comes from 2step and garage. It then got heavily influenced by DnB and Dub reggae and techno. About three years ago, dubstep was pretty cool 'cause it wasn't static and a very eclectic genre.

Then things got outta hands...

Now it seems like all the kids want to hear the same electro/emo dubstep remix all over again. There is still very good dubstep, but it's not what's popular with the Montreal crowd.

I'm not complaining about the style of what's popular... I like heavy music, filthy sounds once in a while too. But what's happening at the moment is a lack of novelty, a crowd and music that is sinking into comformity.



Peace

Yeah...that's pretty much what Salvia is like. Smoked it about 50 times before I realized I had enough experience with it and didn't want to go there anymore.

Salvia is a really special plant that deserve respect. Smoking anything stronger than 40X is asking for trouble.

By "same pipe", Psilo, do you mean "freebase pipe" ? Cause freebase pipe isn't good for smoking salvia.

Bong or regular metal marijuana pipe. Jet lighter. You need to keep the flame constantly on the salvia. Get as much as possible in your lungs and keep it for about 15 seconds.

You also need to know that what is advertised as "20X" is not always 20X. Some companies like to screw people over since it's pretty hard to check the real concentration of the product.

Psytrance scene and dubstep scene both have their pros and cons.

There's lots of underage people in both scenes. Age will mostly depend on what night you're going to, and what music they play there.

Interesting fact: heavier/more agressive music usually brings younger people.
You will probably see a younger crowd at events where "filthy" dubstep or dark psy is playing, while deeper styles of dubstep and progressive psy will usually attract a more mature crowd.

I used to love going to Bassdrive, and still enjoy it once in a while when they bring good DJs. But the crowd right now is really not my thing. Too much drunks, young people who don't know anything about the music, people who don't know shit about respect. It's become a regular club night...

There is often smaller dubstep events with good vibes and good music.

If 20X is not enough, you probably don't know how to smoke it correctly.

2 or 3 good hits of 20X should be enough to bring anyone into wonderland.

Yeah, Kindzadza is dope (and one of the very few darkpsy artists I actually like).

Love that track Yoshin posted on the last page too.

I'd like to give a psytrance example but my knowledge about psytrance isn't as extensive as my idm/glitch-hop knowledge.

What I consider "weird": music that takes influences from many different styles and exploit them to the point where it becomes hard to categorize the music. That, or music different enough that you can hardly tell where it gets it's ideas from.

Not sure if it's weird enough to be called "weird", but psybreaks in general are awesome:



I love psytrance and it's different subgenres. The problem I see with that scene though, is that it seems like many DJs/producers/fans listen a lot to psytrance and not a lot of other music, and it apprears in the music that get played at most parties.

I think I just like to see DJs and producers try new things and take some risks with their music. It doesn't always work, but at least the music is interesting and help make the genre evolve.

I know it's not psytrance, but it's a good example: Shpongle wouldn't be so popular if Postford would've said "oh no, this is probably too twisted for the public". Then again, I'm not sure if Shpongle fits in your definition of "weird".

To me it's obvious that the reason some people (me included) like "weird" music is because one of the most important quality of "weird" music is it's originality and the idea of pushing the limits. I have a hard time understanding the reasons of musicians for doing the same formula again and again when there's so many undiscovered fields to explore. It is what makes the difference between musicians and producers who will be remembered in ten years and those who won't.

I like music that makes me dance, but also music that I can enjoy with my headphones on that will stimulate my imagination. The best music is the one that will do both.

Totally agree with this.

Agreed, Simon is great.

On another note, I agree that some chill dubstep would be amazing in the morning. Living-Stone would be my perfect choice for a morning with trippy dubstep.

Some psydub would also be fun. I can never get my fix of that except during summer, wich is really sad. Psybient and Psydub would be dope to close a party.

Bah, c'est le fun être un personnage non? T'es clairement un personnage...la question est de savoir si tu apprécie ton rôle et si ce n'est pas le cas, de faire les modifications nécessaires afin que ton personnage te convienne :)

Mais j'avoue que d'avoir ta photo partout comme Antonino ça doit feeler assez weird...

Woah!

J'adores.

St Jean Basstiste
Space Gathering
Eclipse
Open Mind

Probably not.

I know I'm probably not the only person who feel like puking after dancing more than 1 minute to happy harcdcore....gotta have some self-respect you know...

Haha, fun ^^