Anonymous Reaction To The Fbi Closing Megaupload
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss a répondu le Thu 26 Jan, 2012 @ 5:02am |
 Coolness: 129705 | Hold on lol...Im not saying the downloading is right, Im saying its the way the mainstream record industry presents the arguement thats erroneous.
They say you're stealing all this money from the artists when in fact they are the ones who've been ripping off the artists for years. The main reason people stopped buying cds was because paying $16 or more to get one song you liked was a ripoff. The only reason you paid that much was so the record executives could make more money, not the artist. This is turn led to people turning to downloading more and more instead of paying for their music. Im not saying its right, Im saying the record industry people are also partly responsable for their demise. To be clear though, I've never been a fan of mp3s myself because I think they sound like shit so I dont really download stuff unless its the occasional track some artist has put up for free. I'd much rather buy an actual record or cd with my money instead of a bunch of invisible muic. Thats why I'm actually one of the few djs in this city that still goes to record stores 3 or 4 times a week...I like to keep it oldskool ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa a répondu le Thu 26 Jan, 2012 @ 10:07am |
 Coolness: 158755 | Eaaasy Betty.
I wasn't pointing the finger at ISR. I was singling out MAJOR labels, not indie ones. And I'd have to look, but aside from a The Horrorist CD I once leeched off of Kyo, I don't think I ever pirated anything from ISR. But I stand by what I said. I do believe promotion is important, but I believe in fair remuneration at every level. As it stands, I think the major labels (Universal, Sony, Warner..) became such a strong lobby by making unfair profits from artists. Remember Reznor's public rant against major labels, post Year Zero? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly a répondu le Thu 26 Jan, 2012 @ 12:28pm |
 Coolness: 158720 | ok maybe YOU were singling out major labels but majority of people who stole their music unfortunately do not make this distinction....
i mean right here people have written to me to my fucking face to try to defend the fact that they are stealling music out of the label i work at.. seriously! they really try to fucking rationalized it./.// at least some people do it and know that it's as unethical as it could! the worse for me is people who steal and ARE IN DENIAL AND OBSTINATE THEMSELVES WITH 10 0000 EXCUSES././ GROW SOME BALLS ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» djCasTproS a répondu le Thu 26 Jan, 2012 @ 12:30pm |
 Coolness: 50370 | le gars de megaupload ecopent pour 50 ans dprison alors que il y as une autre personne qui as violer & dechiqueté en milles morceaux une autre personne et ecopent de 20 ans ...........
c est vraiment a n'y rien comprendre .................. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly a répondu le Thu 26 Jan, 2012 @ 12:41pm |
| Coolness: 158720 | ^ *roll eyes* what i was just saying haha what another great excuse! why don't you go steal some more music to avenge these poor rape and murder victims!
djcastproutprout is it the type of intellectual ordeal you go through each day of your life isssh must be hard being you! Mise À Jour » Holly_Golightly a écrit sur Thu 26 Jan, 2012 @ 12:59pm let;s be sarcastic and funny by making this analogy:
you telling me that you go to cheap ass clothing stores and you take the pile of Dereon Jeans under the salesperson nose and go through the door.. of course that bitch called the police on you and here you are explaining to these cops with the utter most serious expression that " i'm in my legit right to steal these clothes, they are from sweatshops made by child workers and owned by bewwonce and she's rich she made it on their back therefore it is ok for you to steal it..and blablablabvlalhdskwskwsg wow. good luck in our society you will go real faaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrr! |
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| Good [+3]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK a répondu le Thu 26 Jan, 2012 @ 1:13pm |
 Coolness: 83860 | I think you guys are missing the point...
You guys can bitch about piracy and artist dividends till you're blue in the face, but the real problem here isn't piracy. It's the fact that the U.S. is trying to police the world and has not only violated it's own constitution... But has been shitting all over the way the rest of the world does business in the process. Thier system doesn't work and they are bullying the entire world into living by it. The game changes every so often and the pro's come along with cons and vice versa. And as bad as things got out of hand the entertainment market is not only stabilizing but making room for new and creative ideas, and the only people really bitching are old fashioned and to ignorant/ selfish to adapt and unfortunately this is where most of the exutives and politicians fall. And I say... FUCK EM! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly a répondu le Thu 26 Jan, 2012 @ 1:24pm |
| Coolness: 158720 | i think talking about these facets of those bills are way much more relevant i agree..
innovation cannot take place in a state of monopoly or in wild free for all market.. maybe there's a way to balance it all? at the label where i work we had to adapt and i think it's one of the reason we are still here after 20 years! we're working on creating new ventures, video games etc etc and give a lot of goodies away through promo.. we even have a select and trustworthy list of DJ whom we give prime access to our stuff etc... i agree that times change and of course fuck the system and the present status quo.. i am not convinced that the first motivation of those pushing these bills are really the well being of artists and independent labels... of course they are there to reprezent their big rich friends :) but at the end i kind of feel that all those Russian website who give away our stuff and make tones of cash in the process should be annihilated/ and by the same means all the toilet papers companies who place ads on those portal! for the moment the law put the weigh on the shoulders of the artist and label to find all those site and send them a take down notice(which is humanely impossible).. the weigh should be on those portal. the world would just be a better place :) that's just the point i wanted to make here.. but YEAH LIKE YOU SAID FUCK THE USA GOVERNMENT YAY!!!! Mise À Jour » Holly_Golightly a écrit sur Thu 26 Jan, 2012 @ 1:29pm here's something free for you all. putt it in you computer or right up your ass: your choice :)!
Mise À Jour » Holly_Golightly a écrit sur Thu 26 Jan, 2012 @ 1:32pm and btw i don't know any independent label workers or artists being in the game for the money.. i think first we are almost all here for the <3 of music... |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Thu 26 Jan, 2012 @ 2:41pm |
 Coolness: 685575 | ..so if you're in it for the music and not the money, why is the money so important? Isn't it more important that hundreds, thousands, MILLIONS of people, hear your music?
Then when you hit their city on tour, you're not paying for 500 roadies, 12 guys to keep your guitars in tune, 15 guys to set up your drum kit, 400 amps, 6000 speakers, 73 tourbuses, etc.. All the cash that gets paied goes towards the artist and/or paying the tour (if you haven't run a deal with the event promoter to pay your ticket to the country/hotel/etc that is).. Spread the music to as many people as possible; the ones that are truly fans and truly love the stuff WILL support it. Hell I'm in the process of going through Beatport and buying every single track that I've downloaded and played without paying in the past, even if I'm not planning on playing it out anymore, just to show support and to actually give the artist who made it a little back. For some stuff, there's also to factor in that some people have, say, already bought a tune on vinyl, but now there's no fucking turntables anywhere, it's all fucking CDs or laptops.. So if I have a tune I payed $15 for (ONE TUNE), now, what? I have to pay for it AGAIN? $1.99 more.. wait, no, MP3s sound like crap, so $2.99 MORE for ONE TUNE that I payed $15 +tax for. If I actually want the whole single, it's another $5.98.. (and that's not even going into idiotic shit like how Ill Skillz - Bowser, only has the vocals on the vinyl release! The digital doesn't have it, or at least didn't the last time I checked and got really pissed off) And then there's shit like the "region locking".. "Sorry, but you can't buy this track because it wasn't licensed for use in your country.".. Well, I *WAS* going to pay for it, but now my only choice is to pirate it, because of stupid label bullshit. EVERYTHING needs to change. HOW is the question, but the old way is just absolutely NOT going to work anymore. Sitting in a studio for 6 months and putting out an album is NOT going to get anyone enough money to live, it's a plain and simple FACT of what's happened thanks to this new global technology. You can't just sit on your ass and expect to be making tons of money on something you released last year anymore, you HAVE to tour. Here's an idea; put up some mixes and free tracks for download, maybe an album or two, or hell, the whole back-catalog of a label (everything, say, pre-2005).. then track what country it's downloaded from, and you'll have a fairly accurate set of numbers for where you should go tour, because that region/country/city loves your stuff. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Thu 26 Jan, 2012 @ 6:38pm |
 Coolness: 166530 | One of the problems with the issue is that people don't (or simply can't due to not being properly informed) know the difference between the 3 tiers of musicians, all of whom have a different POV ...
1. The major label recording artist. (Big label = Big money, pure business, doesn't giva a fuck about innovation in music, pays people to work hard - wants to sell and profit from everything they possibly can) 2. Artists signed to, or have releases on, independant labels. (Small label = Profits little, tries to survive, offers different music for the love of it, everyone invloved works hard - wants people to buy their records and support their artists & music style so they can continue contributing to their scene and producers) 3. Independant artists. (No label = All free shit, hopes to get noticed, likes making music, dedicated to their art - probably doesn't mind pirating and people sharing their stuff, mostly 'cause they have no physical product to sell anyway) If you know about the artist you want tunes from, it makes sense to me to: steal from 1, buy from 2, and share 3. Unfortunately, these Internet Bills they want to pass are lobbied by the big corporations, probably won't help the little guys, and just create problems for independants that just want to spread their art. One also has to understand that, IMO, just 'cause someone is poor, does not mean they should be denied access to art. In other words, I have issues with people who can afford stuff, but steal 'cause they're cheap and it's easy, not beacuse they have to. All that said, if you want free music, get it form the people who offer it for free. There are plenty, and we've reached a point in music production where free does not equal shitty. Support the labels that put out the music you love, by buying a 15$ record, a 20$ CD, or a 2$ MP3. Go to shows that present these artists. Buy a fuckin' T-shirt or something at least xD These anti-piracy-whatever laws they want to put into place are more about control than theft. The ginormous companies want to rape the industry, and believe me, they're probably just as pissed about piracy as they are about small labels that are selling stuff they can't even comprehend ... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Termina a répondu le Thu 26 Jan, 2012 @ 9:18pm |
 Coolness: 86075 | Artists do NOT make money through record sales anymore, unless you buy shit directly from them.
If you want to support an artist, book them, pay them well, or go see them live when the time comes and buy some merch. Mise À Jour » Termina a écrit sur Thu 26 Jan, 2012 @ 9:22pm I would also like to add that I, for one, embrace file sharing. Let's be honest here, how many of you would be listening to what you're listening to now/for the past 5 years, had file sharing never came to be?
The answer? Little to none. In fact, I doubt Hardcore would have gotten very far, or Industrial. Even Dubstep. All of this, because of file sharing. Mise À Jour » Termina a écrit sur Thu 26 Jan, 2012 @ 9:25pm And also, as an artist myself (an insignificant one, at that), I know that if I want people to buy my records/tapes/cds, I'm going to have to give them more than just recordings. The smart thing to do is to include something WITH your recordings that make them special. Example: Handmade covers, limited editions, small/unique pieces of merch/art you include in the packaging, ETC. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» raisinlove a répondu le Thu 26 Jan, 2012 @ 9:23pm |
 Coolness: 62935 | Most musicians are on labels that are actually just sidelines to actual paying jobs, no? Stealing from most labels is like stealing quarters from a bum. If I'm not mistaken, only a small percentage of labels are actual full fledged businesses that staff people fulltime... and a very small percentage of musicians actually earn a living from their music. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Termina a répondu le Thu 26 Jan, 2012 @ 9:32pm |
| Coolness: 86075 | We can't all be John Lennon, sadly. And IF you do make it that far, look what happens:
You get shot. (That was meant to be humorous) In all seriousness, say I like an album. Let's take Throbbing Gristle's Second Annual Report for example (and this has happened with many other releases, too (not just TG, either)): Initially, I DOWNLOADED IT ILLEGALLY. (quick, one of you had better report me) Then, I decided to buy the CD, at a local record shop. Finally, I bought the 12" remaster when it came out, because that is how much the album is worth to me. If I am broke for an extended period of time, I'm not going to stop listening to/downloading or finding new music. I'd probably get bored. Mise À Jour » Termina a écrit sur Thu 26 Jan, 2012 @ 9:42pm I would also like to point out that I am a musician, on a label. And I have no problem with the reality of me NEVER BEING ABLE TO MAKE A LIVING WITH MUSIC. I distribute my music for free, in digital form. And, as a matter of fact, I am putting out my first release (which is in the mail, on it's way to me) for those who want something "physical" and "special" as I put it in my previous post. When I play shows, I do make money once in a while. A nice amount.
But that's not why I do it. I never started doing what I'm doing to live off of it, or to make lots of money. I started because I love music, synthesizers and sound experimentation, and also because I love crumbling concrete/shattering glass (and my audiences' psyches) using only sound. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly a répondu le Fri 27 Jan, 2012 @ 2:26am |
| Coolness: 158720 | Now also we're talking about the USA but it's like that in some countries in Europe already..
when we go to radio stations we are sometimes required & need to fill forms so artists gets shares, it's also like that in major festivals and some nightclubs..dj give their playlist.. and yeah like Nathan says i feel back in the 80's some punks were doing a tape for their friend.. alright he's a punk.. i was a punk and i got some tapes.. but i'm the first at gigs to get freebies and shit to peeps that i feels can't afford(when i can..) i'm the first to get an autograph for a kids backstage..(euro kids are still into that).. also i have many friends who do it and i'm not like decapitating them.. haha just think it's not super cool.. one time a friend of mine copied a old french movies that my vhs had broken.. so i supose i'm lil guilty i should have for some reason find a way to get a region copy and then transfer it blablabla.. ..so if you're in it for the music and not the money, why is the money so important? Isn't it more important that hundreds, thousands, MILLIONS of people, hear your music?
props screwhead for you deciding to support your fav artists i promise you that in independent labels it's not the 90"s anymore it does make a lots of difference for electronic music! like you said many still show their support and understand what it is like.. i have found respect on that level for you to say that here and guys like bliss or fishead and nathan that i often saw buy records when he needed maybe something else! the money is not that important for me. respect for other is. respect for other's work is.. now you try to make it pass as i am a crazy capitalist pulling a mister burns *excellllennnnt* behind my computer and being all scarface in my pile of cocaine... some take those free tracks out of websites who advertised toilet paper to make their millions i mean c'mon.. are you telling me you guys are in for principles... and that i don't bc i want people who created art to be owner and master of their destiny? it's so ironic! i really don't see what is complicate to understand in all that... what you guys don't want to admit is that you do it bc that music is FREE and it's THERE and OH SO CONVENIENT!... and because you are HIDING alone behind your computer a click away from it.. THEREFORE THE REAL GUILTY ONE ARE THOSE PORTALS. personally i prefer an artist selling tracks and living reasonably out of HIS creative work than someone who is not rewarded for his work and not "master" of the destiny of that work/creation but is being ear by a meaningless million for free on the internet and the guy owning that megaupload rolling in a Ferrari.. seriously are you 4 real!??!! you created that super cool ghost buster costume screwhead out of an original idea but you worked on it... you brought your own thoughts and your worked on that shit with your bare hand.. now.. how about i enter your house and take your labor and wear it next halloween... even tho you don't agree to it, you wanted to keep it and land it to noah.. i don't care i decided that the destiny of your labor would serve me.. like that.. without consulting you.. thanks.. i'll pass next time im in mtl :p now if we were following your rational guys we would not buy anything... you would go to the store and take a pile of jeans... the difference is that you can't hide doing so.. that's the only reason and motivation behind people stealing music online. it's fast, anonymous.. not anymore it seems haha *pununintended* arrrrg i can't comprehend people can be that in denial about it... GROW SOME BALLLSSSSS hahaha termina .. any remotely serious label is registered (even the independent one) have taxes to fill and trimester checks to sign to artists. i know i receive it. it's like any small business.. many artists are doing that full time maybe not the locals in montreal i don't know it depends of your personal life choices.. all my professional music friends from europe and some from america all live from that work at different level of income.. i would be real curious about what your sound is about.. send me a mp3.. i would be surprised if it's quality bc there such an amount of shit out there... and often peeps who don't makes money at all don't have proper equipment and tools to sounds great.. but bare w/ me i know some genius out there would do an amazing track using a casserole and a blender! it has been done but that's not the point here... but if i love it.. i'll publish it.. with my name on it.. and give it for free and even sale it 2,00 a piece for the zealots folks and then go buy myself a bag of tampax at the drugstore w/ the profit... since you don't mind others appropriating other's creations you must not care about peeps using your shit!! ;p so as Nathan says GIVE YOUR MUSIC TO THE UNIVERSE AS YOU WISH AND TAKE THE MUSIC THAT ARTISTS AND LABELS ARE WILLINGLY GIVING AWAY! :) why would the decision of appropriation of that work would fall on the consumer.. of course we all want stuff for free. free stuff means that it's GIVEN. in that case.. THERE IS NOT GIVEN AT ALL. between me and you i do know what it's mean for an artist when someone come up to them and have a record that they bought in their hands.. it means: " hey i love your creations and work.. your efforts/time/intellectual ingenuity means something important to me! as much as the coffee i got at the corner and paid 2.00 for.." seriously if you guy can spend on something so meaningless as a beverage; what is it 2bucks for a unique cerebral experience of your choice?! NOW WHYYYYY IN THE WORLD COFFEE'S NOT FREE!!!??? HEN!!!? :p hehe ;) ps: that fucked up annoying novel was brought to you by cotex so if ever you print that shit and sale it beware: "THEY ARE GOING TO GET YOU BARBAWWWWWAAAA!" Mise À Jour » Holly_Golightly a écrit sur Fri 27 Jan, 2012 @ 2:58am bhaha some of my comments were actually directed to raisinlove i think..
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Fri 27 Jan, 2012 @ 5:34am |
| Coolness: 685575 | Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE
you created that super cool ghost buster costume screwhead out of an original idea but you worked on it... you brought your own thoughts and your worked on that shit with your bare hand.. now.. how about i enter your house and take your labor and wear it next halloween... even tho you don't agree to it, you wanted to keep it and land it to noah.. i don't care i decided that the destiny of your labor would serve me.. like that.. without consulting you.. thanks.. i'll pass next time im in mtl :p The proton pack isn't exactly the best of arguments for your case. In fact what I did for the proton pack is actually a LOT closer to what you're pissed off about with the russian sites. Ghostbusters is a Sony IP, and I never asked for the rights to their intellectual property to make my pack. In fact, I took a combination of blueprints that were unofficially put together, bought a bunch of part replicas from people who ALSO have absolutely no licensing agreement to replicate the parts from Sony. Fortunately for me, Sony encourages fans like me and those that make prop replicas, but, for example, Star Wars fans actually have to go through the official LucasArts "fan organization" (The 501st Legion) if they want to do any sort of public appearance wearing any props or replicas of Star Wars stuff. I payed for some unofficial part replicas and just put some stuff together myself, but the people I bought from don't have any sort of distribution or licensing deal from Sony, and I haven't bought/rented/contracted any IP Licensing Agreement with Sony for my Proton Pack replica, so technically I *AM* doing something illegal, and it's illegal in the exact same ways as music piracy is. What I did is no different that paying some russian website $10 for a membership fee and then downloading 320s of everything I want. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Fri 27 Jan, 2012 @ 12:21pm |
| Coolness: 166530 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
... no different that paying some russian website $10 for a membership fee and then downloading 320s of everything I want. See, THAT is a problem. I don't have issues with free shit, as sad as it is that hard working artists might lose a bit o' cash, but when someone else PROFITS from your art, that's not cool! DL a track you like to listen to sometimes, fine. Whacth some youtube before deciding to buy an album, excellent. Charging people to allow them to DL the track, that's not just stealing, that's re-selling stolen items. It's one thing to steal bread when you're hungry, it's another thing to steal bread and sell it to those who are hungry. And this leads back to the Internet providers. People DL shit for free, but they're still paying for the 'net! So, the providers are the ones making profit form 'stolen' shit. Now there's something in place that decries that the providers have to pay a % to the companies who run the Entertainment Industry, so they can get some money back (if the rumor is true). BUT, that still doesn't mean anything gets back to the artist, once again its the big corporation profiting. AND, no small label has the power to get in on that action. So, no matter what, they still get fucked. In Europe, I believe that alot of artists actually do live off their art, and some who have jobs on the side are usually in the field of music. I find it sad that here we have to work at a fuckin' cafe or be stuck on welfare 'cause we're producers. Side note, I find ironic that back in the days a DJ got sent free material (dubplates, promos, etc.) by the labels to push their sound, and today DJs seem to be the only people still buying records. The tables have turned (pun intended). Despite the fact that there are a bunch of youngens playing cheap pirated MP3s, DJs are probably the people that support underground labels the most. And the funny thing is, we don't complain about having to buy stuff. It's even become a statement of principles. So, what are we do to? Blame the internet? blame the poor kids? blame the lazy bastards? blame companies for not putting out physical material worth paying for? blame society for what it's become? We can also simply go with the flow and adapt to the current. Example, things like Beatport and Juno selling digital material for a low price is a step in the right direction. The alternative is the bullshit that's going on. Internet fascism, backed by the giant corporations that are rooted in greed and who's traditionalist views want us to keep piling up junk instead of using the technology THEY created that saves us time, money, and space. If only people were cool about what they share -- but fuck, we have people that steal form their neighbors instead of shoplifting at Wal-Mart, so there ain't much hope my friends, sorry! I have a feeling there are too many points-of-view, and society as a whole will never be able to come to grips with the chaos the internet has created for the traditional business. Originally Posted By betty_haze
the money is not that important for me. respect for other is. respect for other's work is.. now you try to make it pass as i am a crazy capitalist pulling a mister burns *excellllennnnt* behind my computer and being all scarface in my pile of cocaine... hahaha xD Quelle image! PS. Gen, j'ai tellement jouer "Fuck The System" a bassdrive le moi passer =D -- et oui, j'l'ai acheter sur Juno :p (bon, Frank l'a acheter pour moi, mais, t'sais .. xD ) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Termina a répondu le Fri 27 Jan, 2012 @ 12:41pm |
| Coolness: 86075 | Originally Posted By ZOMBIENATHAN
today DJs and hipsters seem to be the only people still buying records. Fixed. Just kidding. I still buy records. Whenever I can, as a matter of fact. But like I said, people want MORE than just recordings, now. (the general market, anyway) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Fri 27 Jan, 2012 @ 2:14pm |
| Coolness: 166530 | Originally Posted By TERMINA
I still buy records, then go broke and sell them to DJs at a loss. Fixed :P But you're right about ppl wanting more out of their physical products. Bands like Tool hit the mark with funky album art concepts, and some producers/labels offer picture discs, which are very special and cool. Some big-ass multinational label will just stick a pic of the singer's face on the cover then wonder why ppl don't give a fuck about owning the album. Even DVDs have special features n' shit and bonuses, to add to the marketing of the product. Value is in rarity, so having a rare record is so much funner than having the shitty mp3. It might still be early to freak out on the subject, I mean, there's still a decent market out there ... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly a répondu le Fri 27 Jan, 2012 @ 4:14pm |
| Coolness: 158720 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
The proton pack isn't exactly the best of arguments for your case. In fact what I did for the proton pack is actually a LOT closer to what you're pissed off about with the russian sites. Ghostbusters is a Sony IP, and I never asked for the rights to their intellectual property to make my pack. In fact, I took a combination of blueprints that were unofficially put together, bought a bunch of part replicas from people who ALSO have absolutely no licensing agreement to replicate the parts from Sony. Fortunately for me, Sony encourages fans like me and those that make prop replicas, but, for example, Star Wars fans actually have to go through the official LucasArts "fan organization" (The 501st Legion) if they want to do any sort of public appearance wearing any props or replicas of Star Wars stuff. I payed for some unofficial part replicas and just put some stuff together myself, but the people I bought from don't have any sort of distribution or licensing deal from Sony, and I haven't bought/rented/contracted any IP Licensing Agreement with Sony for my Proton Pack replica, so technically I *AM* doing something illegal, and it's illegal in the exact same ways as music piracy is. What I did is no different that paying some russian website $10 for a membership fee and then downloading 320s of everything I want. Actually non.. i totally agree with what you did (except for the part about the replicas) and in the law (i followed many forensics and law entertainment business courses) there is a defense planned for that and it's called : transformative art/ that's why another artist or entity can "borrow" the image or art of someone else as transformative means//result for example that's why parody and comedy is protected... that's why there is caricaturist drawing artists who can freely takes from "real" events, public personalities etc etc and create transformative art.. in counter balance I CAN'T just take your image and stick it on a weigh loss ad.. bc that is not transformative art at all and would simply be the use of one's character and image.. my analogy and argument hold together perfectly... the original ideas yeah it's from Sony of course and the creators of ghostbusters but THE TIME, THE RESOURCES, YOUR ENERGY and THE RESULT OF YOUR COSTUME/CREATION WAS TRANSFORMATIVE... SO HERE YOU ARE TOTALLY LEGIT! but hey! that WAS NOT my point to start w/... it could have been a flying spaghetti monster costume in our allegory.. now here is WHERE our "ordeal" takes place... now YOU WANT YOUR OWN COSTUME.THAT'S YOUR WISH. YOU WANT TO DECIDE WHOM IS GOING TO WEAR IT , IT'S YOURS, YOU WANT TO CONTROL THE DESTINY OF YOU CREATION..ETC ETC... now without asking you.. I TAKE YOUR COSTUME AND GIVE IT TO WHOMEVER.. I CAN EVEN GO AROUND AND SAY THAT I DID IT.. RENT IT....DO SOME COPIES IN A CHEAP ASS MEXICAN FACTORY, SELL IT AROUND, BECOME A BILLIONAIRE, GET A FEW MANSIONS,BUY ME SOME HOES NIGGAZ WHHAT?!?WHAT!WHAT! I WILL EVEN MAKE SURE TO RUB IT UP YOUR NOSE WITH ADS EACH TIME YOU GO SURF ON THE NET! btw during that time YOU are still in front of your computer in you crappy rental basement on welfare or a bad job which you have no real interest in.. being sick or having all the lil problems that each everyone of us will end up having.. luckily you are in quebec and are beneficiary of free healthcare and all kind of perks BUT NOT having much of a monetary future (try the how they call it.. lottery gratteuxhahaha) but yeah that's true i forgot you are such a "free spirit"... you don't care about all that... and that's why you are giving your 10$ to that PORTAL... ? :) btw THANKS FOR THE NICE SEXXXAY HUMPTYDUMPTYWHOOPWHOOP RIDE IN YOUR BUMBUM SCREWHEAD.. i don't think you're dumb so i think you get my point...? it's real basic./ you create original/transformative stuff = you decide what happens to it. so simple. so clear. B&W then in 70 years(.. everything what i created will be legit public domain like Balzac.. and all the others!(not that i think i'm at Balzac level here issshhh hehe) so we can all freely have a cultural heritage rich in archetypes! :) now don't get me wrong... that is my opinion for what concern copyrighted intellectual entertainment business matters..(what concerns the art.. paint, film, literature, original composition music..etc etc) i do not have that relativist opinion for what is patented intellectual propriety for what is mmm for example... the bio/pharmaceutical world... or agricultural.. etc etc so don't try to get me riled up on another subject! ;) ... and of course i don't think the status quo is what is alright... i'm all for innovations and new way of doing things... BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST I'M FOR RESPECT, DIGNITY, FAIRNESS & JUSTICE ..AND ALL THESE GREAT THINGS I LEARNED WATCHING THE MOTHERFUCKING CARE BEARS ON SATURDAY MORNING (ok now it's me trying to be funny, of course; i do know i am not) PS. Gen, j'ai tellement jouer "Fuck The System" a bassdrive le moi passer =D
-- et oui, j'l'ai acheter sur Juno :p (bon, Frank l'a acheter pour moi, mais, t'sais .. xD ) omg nate! fuck!feel really stupid// i always though you were on our list since like i was working there... it was so clear to me i never realized i will double check.. wow and now that you tell me about this mutante anecdote.. i really have the proof that i know who i can respect and trust!(<3francois) hit me up tomorrow on fessebook... we'll rectify all that... sorry i feel bad your such an old friend.. and dedicated to music..etc okay ttyl |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Fri 27 Jan, 2012 @ 4:59pm |
| Coolness: 685575 | I think the problem here is that you don't seem to understand what stealing is.
If I go into a record store, steal a copy of the latest ISR release and run out, there is a loss; the store has one less unit to sell. If I take it even further, and go to every single store on the planet, every single warehouse, and steal every single ISR record that's ever been made, that would be theft. If instead I decided to download the whole ISR discography, does that mean you can't sell it anymore? Is it gone? Is it missing? No, it's still exactly where it was, and it's still available to sell to anyone that wants it. In common usage, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it.
If YOU have a copy of the thing I just "stole" from you, well, I didn't STEAL it. 
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly a répondu le Fri 27 Jan, 2012 @ 5:18pm |
| Coolness: 158720 | okay seriously screwhead i already watched in the past all these lil videos//i'll start to think you think i'm dumb now :)
these vids never convinced me.. the copy of the copy of the copy..this... blabla .and then the original that.. blabla... piracy/thief/filesharing... words semantic.. blabla.. play on words..// these arguments is just lil random noise... really poor argumentation.. sounding more like lame excuse and explanation... even tho the lil piggy is still in the creator/owner's box.. the owner and creator of the lil copied piggy is STILL NOT MASTER OF THE DESTINY OF HIS CREATION... JESUS CHRIST FUCK ME FML WHY IS IT THAT HARD TO GET?! remember in our lil story/// I DID COPIES OF YOUR COSTUME... WELL FORGOT TO TELL YOU BUT I RETURNED THE ORIGINAL TO YOU. so theoretically in our story, you still have the original costume in your hands but your butt is still hurting real bad. art like music, paint, sculpture before entering the phase of being "in production" and being materialized i.e. being written, drawn, painted were CONCEIVED. CONCEPTION AND INTELLECTUAL PROCESS IS INVISIBLE// almost remain from the divine.. i think that's why people have such facility to fall for bad arguments like these videos even people intelligent like you and all the other who think that it's ok that illegal file sharing or piracy (call it how you want) is not synonymous of thievery... or blablablarandomnoise seriously WAKE THE FUCK UP! anyway i think i said what i had to say.. i'm pretty much aware of the arguments out there that you're feeding me with... and they are everything but convincing me. :) later' |
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