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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 5:33pm |
 Coolness: 166575 | a good dj will actually look at the outside. the meteo forecast. the moon phases. where the party is held...
making sure his or her set in in harmony with the outer elements, and bring the crowd to tune in to nature. outer nature = inner nature. good party organizers will also look at that kind of stuff. you may not believe in astrology, but hear this. look at the effect of the moon on the water, on the tides... and consider that we are built of 90% water... there is a lot to what one individual can bring. it can make the difference between a party that is 'normal' and a ceremony of attunement with the cosmic energies. because this is what dancing is for, since the beginning of the ages. this is one thing that we come here for. escape the world that is so 'disconnected' and create a new one, that is more real, more powerful. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 5:54pm |
 Coolness: 66700 | well honestly it also depends on the type of party, maybe continuum was supposed to have that vibe, but at mort the sun was shining through the psy was hard and the people were still dancing hard and the energy was there, i believe it depends on the rave experience you're looking for. i mean i personally, like i said before enjoy the psy that makes u dance hard, as hard as you can, whether you're on drugs or not i've danced straight at raves, n i danced hard, but i danced hard because of what was being thrown down. theres no way in hell i can word any of this as good as you yoshin you do bring up good points :P the weather matching what you're playing i agree it'd give an effect on what you're mixing, but like i said i guess it comes down to personal preference :P me = <3 raw psytrance |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» pencapchew a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 5:59pm |
 Coolness: 35590 | Psytrance is something that takes time to discover. When it is new I think its natural to want always harder faster. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 6:15pm |
| Coolness: 166575 | at mort the highest point of the night was hardcore. fast BPM... if you notice carefully, the music actually followed the pattern i mentionned. in the morning it was slower.
in a party it does not matter what the BPMs actually are. i am talking about progression it can be -- 148 - 155 - 145 or it can be 140 - 148 - 138 or anything, really. it comes to the same. takes you there, brings you back. but with most full-on psytrance being usually 145 - 148 bpm, if full-on is the highest point of your night, it is common sense to have slower music in the beginning and in the end. -- if you look for faster BPM in psy-trance there is some crazy (mostly russian) dark psy that is faster, like 150 - 155 BPM... i actually thought that Psychotik was going to play that. it would have changed the whole night, and since the DJ that played after him (Anima) was playing more progressive groovy stuff, i think he made the right choice to play slower music and made a fluid transition between Shango and Anima. And wow, Anima's music was grooovy in the sun :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 6:30pm |
| Coolness: 66700 | blahhh :P pshh keep your preferences XD |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 6:33pm |
| Coolness: 166575 | it's not preferences. i actually really like full-on, at the right time. notice that i was also dancing in the morning, at mort. :)
there are just guidelines to establish a trance vibe. and that is what they are. you can't say that it's a bad choice to follow those guidelines... because that's how a night of trance is established. it's like when you go on the threadmill, in a gym. you start by warming up with jogging, then you slowly make your way to running full-speed (whatever that full-speed is) and then you decrease the speed to jogging once again; if you do it otherwise you're doing it wrong, it's not healthy. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 6:45pm |
| Coolness: 66700 | thats true, but i guess i like it extreme ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 6:47pm |
| Coolness: 166575 | then go to hardcore parties... or go to russia lol. ;)
we actually don't have lots of that really hard dark psy in montreal. the 155 BPM and over stuff. if i remember correctly i have heard Psychotik play some, and also Psyrenity... hey listen to this, i think you'll like it, it's dark and really fast and fucking good. we don't get lots of that on our dancefloors :) [ www.archive.org ] if we are lucky we hear some at drug music... maybe. Mise À Jour » AYkiN0XiA a écrit sur Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 7:15pm slower music though... slower music is usually a lot more physical than fast music. you have time to move more between the beats. faster music is more brain music. the beats are so fast that your moving is limited. the dance gets more intricate with slower music. the beats can be deconstructed, we can speak about this in real life if you want. i've been experimenting with dancing and receiving teachings from the elders for a while now. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 8:41pm |
| Coolness: 66700 | i'll check it out, but its making me download it unless i'm missing it, well darkpsy i can could find easily but that's not exactly what i meant, not fast, but hard. 145 bpm is usually standard imo, look at psydraulix's dark matter set, that is the exact definition of what i mean by hard, it's something that right when you're about to be like " o fuckin kay time to si..." then ur like " AHHH NEVERMIND" lmao
i like dark psy too but it's hard to make a proper set of that to rave too as it is really fast and not alot of people vibe it |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 8:48pm |
| Coolness: 166575 | yeah 145 bpm is standard, but a whole night of it puts you to sleep. :P
nothing new. everything is normal. nothing exciting. i've heard it a million times. i get like that a lot when the music stays the same. i need substance. i just get like... ok surprise me. take me to where i've never been. challenge me with your sounds. that's what psychedelic is about - experimental stuff. new stuff. different stuff. out of the ordinary. weird shit. out of normality. take risks yet stay groovy. Mise À Jour » AYkiN0XiA a écrit sur Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 9:04pm make the sound system vibrate in a way that it has not vibrated before. make the sound system sound like it's made from outer space matter. or like crystal and water. Mise À Jour » AYkiN0XiA a écrit sur Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 9:07pm standard full-on is like listening to a movie where you know the ending before the first 5 minutes of the story :P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» perception a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 10:14pm |
 Coolness: 65915 | "full-on all the time is like mindless fucking on the same beat all the time. it lacks variety and it gets boring. a psytrance party should be a trip, like travelling through layers of music, through layers of yourself. it should take you there slowly, and also bring you back slowly. "
yes ma'am :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 10:34pm |
| Coolness: 66700 | mmm, it depends, you can say " ah yeah i know this full-on beat" but when that wind up happens you don't know whats gonna be thrown down, i find it electric you get shivers, i mix psytrance myself and i'm all about that energy, i agree you can get boring full-on sets, as for vibrations out of this world, i agree experimenting is never a bad thing, but you can keep the energetic hard fullon feel and still be dynamic. it's just how you mix, i understand going into prog psy and goa is more spiritual but you can also be thrown into a psychedellic mind fuck when whipped into a deep heavy set of psy and still have that feel that you're taking about. like let's say someone mixes a deep mystical goa/prog psy track and it slowly builds up until boom, a bass drop thats so heavy the hairs on your arm stand up. you can alternate between the two, in fact i think mixing the two might even turn out pretty well, it would build up go hard calm down build up hard go calm etc, it would be a rollercoaster of beats. but i haven't seen that yet, except a few times when at the beginning of the night a psy dj starts going into fullon thats probably one of the best times for a fullon hit, because you're stuck in this phase of a slow mystical trancey type-feel, then when it drops it has a major effect on the people dancing. when i start mixing at raves maybe i'll show you what i mean ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 10:45pm |
| Coolness: 166575 | you don't really want a rollercoaster of beats, because again that would defy the point... trance is created by a continuous flow. the beat goes on... peaks... goes down. there's your journey.
now where you travel, that is determined by the other sounds. they kind of shape our reality... mixing the two can be done in the beginning of the night because no one really is looking to go into trance at this point... people are warming up. and in the morning goa is always interesting, because of the sounds, the colors, the sun. it just works together... but no one really plays goa at raves anymore. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 10:52pm |
| Coolness: 66700 | i've heard some, okay well lets say some slower prog psy, i think it would be a nice touch, 145 bpm drop to about a slow 1 30-35 bps, like "zyce basic" kind of speed, then speed it up, you could still perform and have the effect, well im not erally a trance guy, trance is on the same level as dubstep to me which is.. anyway ^^ honestly i understand where you're coming from but i feel if they want that type of psytrance they should progress it throughout the whole night, for those who aer looking for that hard bassline are just let down when it comes on, know what i mean ? they should say in the info what sort of psytrance they'll be playing, not just psytrance.. psytrance has gotten to the point now where it has its own sub genres, twilight psy, fullon psy, dark psy, prog psy.. the list goes on |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 10:53pm |
 Coolness: 509560 | Originally Posted By YOSHIN
a good dj will actually look at the outside. the meteo forecast. the moon phases. where the party is held... making sure his or her set in in harmony with the outer elements, and bring the crowd to tune in to nature. outer nature = inner nature. with all due respect, I just can't agree with that spiritual gobledeegook... there's absolutely nothing natural about giant speakers, psytrance and staying up all night. Also if it's raining outside, I'm not going to play a different track than if it's clear skies... the people at the party and my time slot might influence what I play, little else will. I'll just play my favorite tracks and the moon doesn't have a tendency to change my taste. too many people have so many different opinions and perspectives about psytrance and parties and how it's 'supposed to be'. I'm sorry but I find it kind of arrogant of you, Anne, to talk about these things as if they are the single 'truth' of psytrance. When you define a 'good' dj and a 'good' party, it's just your opinion. I'm not saying I disagree with everything you say, but you're really assuming a lot and some of it is way off base in my experience. A good party, I think, is when you get the influential people from a scene to come together and organize something their way. For me it means great sound, both gear and selection and mixing, great art, to soothe the eyes and mind and proper amenities. You can't ignore any one aspect of the party, whether it be the spiritual side, the musical side or, and let's be frank, the rave side. [ www.rave.ca ] tries to bring all that together... I may not have booked your favorite DJ but I think that all around I'm bringing some solid people together to throw a really fun and well balanced party.... we got some mininal groovy tech to start, then full on during the main hours, and groovy Rikam for the morning... there are only so many hours in a night after all so the real universal key is to try and stay positive and keep your mind open to new, old and weird experiences. just one more thing, you mention that full on is like a movie you know the ending to... Have you ever seen a movie twice Anne? there IS such thing as favorites, and some people love to experience them over and over again... Now imagine if your favorite movie suddenly came out with slightly different beginnings and endings and new scenes in between... I think that's a more apt description of full on. sure we follow a mould, because if we weren't we'd be scaring all the people who like us for 'us' away. You know it's totally cool to try radically new things, just don't do it when you're not the only one in for the ride. again, no disrespect to anyone intended... just voicing my opinion as you do yours :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 10:55pm |
| Coolness: 166575 | i want to hear all kinds of psy in a party. the varieties exist for a reason. they are there to make you travel through the night. they take you somewhere. open your mind....... :) Mise À Jour » AYkiN0XiA a écrit sur Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 11:02pm and, zed. i'm not saying it is the ultimate truth. and no there is nothing spiritual in machines... but there is something spiritual in dancing, there is something spiritual to be lived in taking acid and there is something spiritual about trance... and that's what we do to this music, so the spiritual side is really important to look... but of course, not the only important thing!!
i find that parties are really well organized on the technical side, that does not lack in montreal. but sometimes people forget to look at the sun and the moon. it's nice when you know that there is an eclipse on the night of the party. it's nice when you know that it's the full moon, and that in the full moon, there is a majority of females that are fertile and horny, and that the party is going to have a lot more of that energy than at the new moon, which is known for interiorization and darkness, and blood. especially if you make a party called black magick.............. ;) Mise À Jour » AYkiN0XiA a écrit sur Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 11:05pm i don't care about the names of the djs on the line-up. if you can create a progression in the night (which i think you did for that party) then it's all good.
it just bothers me that some people who like only one kind of music say that all the rest is crap, and that they should only play one kind because the rest is boring - they just have not learned to appreciate it yet. Mise À Jour » AYkiN0XiA a écrit sur Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 11:10pm and the movie vs full-on thing.... hmm maybe i did not explain this clearly enough.
movies that you know the ending to on the FIRST time that you watch it because it's so cliche and predictable. do you know what i mean now? of course not all full-on is like that...... but 98% of it, is. the problem is that it's over-commercialized, and it comes in a happy-meal form. always the same thing, the same beat, the same sounds. those who can find something original in full-on and surprise me, it makes me happy. the rest... meh. Mise À Jour » AYkiN0XiA a écrit sur Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 11:14pm of course it's pretty much like that with every sub-genre of psy. there are cookie-cutter prog tracks, and cookie-cutter darkpsy, etc. we just don't hear it as much, so... i guess i can oversome it easier than with the full-on :P Mise À Jour » AYkiN0XiA a écrit sur Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 11:55pm oh yeah and, zed........ isn't calling your party THE psychedelic experience a bit pretentious? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 11:22pm |
| Coolness: 66700 | see thats where i disagree. @ your last paragraph, fullon isn't the same to me, and well.. okay i can't voice my opinion as well as you and alienzed, but it's very diverse you just have to listen in to what's being played, alot of fullon tracks have a different feel and energy to it, and the synths added around it change the song drastically, it gives you a psychedellic feel while still giving you that energetic feeling to dance hard.
(gonna paragraph this shit) you can say the same thing for melodic psytrance, you know it will always be a slower basskick with a deep bassline with a few mystical sounding synths, if you disect music in that sense you can find anything repetitive. hardcore for example is the same singing hard bass kick and trancey synth lines :P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 11:25pm |
| Coolness: 166575 | melodic full-on is even harder to find good tracks than twilight full-on. everything is bathing in cheeziness straight out of the full-on music schools from israel. they teach people a recipe, and people apply it.
i've witnessed a party full of this when i went to the vibe tribe party in quebec ;) it was horrible, there was no progression at all, every dj played the same melodic morning cheesiness thing from 7 pm to 4 am...... then absolute got on and it was a bit different, and then the cops stopped the party :P i mean... what is darkness to someone who has not seen the light? what is light to someone who has not seen darkness? what is slow BPM to someone who has not heard it fast? what is fast music to someone who has not heard it slow? like day and night... contrast makes our reality more powerful. learn to love every aspect of it, you'll learn to love those different aspects in yourself as well. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 11:39pm |
| Coolness: 66700 | well i've researched all genres of psytrance before deciding to even go into it honestly, but then again, you're asking a blind guy those questions ? ;) all i know from what i can't see is what i hear. and i want to hear energy, and i believe the people that are attending the appropriate rave - its what they want to hear as well. i can't even put black magik into words. simply perfect. and i could NOT imagine a full night of melodic psytrance... but again when i went to continuum i wasn't expecting what was thrown down at all, they need to put their genres in what they're playing, psytrance isn't just psytrance anymore. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA a répondu le Mon 22 Nov, 2010 @ 11:43pm |
| Coolness: 166575 | so you like what rickam plays?
because most of the time it's not full-on........ neither is dj okins... and that's 40% of the party right there (if the line-up is final). and maybe you should research the djs yourself before going to a party. you'll get to know what you like and what you don't, you'll have a better idea what you're getting into. Mise À Jour » AYkiN0XiA a écrit sur Tue 23 Nov, 2010 @ 12:10am (because even if it says full-on, there are still chances that you don't like the vibe... only by listening and making your research you will know.) |
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