People Who Abuse Should Be Abused In Return
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Mon 23 Nov, 2009 @ 6:37pm |
 Coolness: 166650 | Originally Posted By LAURENT
What we have in place dosent work? How come? I think the failures of what is in place regarding abusers have been so overmediatised that we overestimate them. are ppl still getting raped and abused on a regular basis? yes. so, what we have doesn't work. i agree with the second part. even, some rapists are in it for psychological power-trips, and the more we see victims as weak and pitiful, the power we give the rapists. but underestimation isn't any better. Originally Posted By whitelight
"rape, sexual abuse, and child abuse, is worse than murder." I don't agree with that at all. Sure, being raped or abused is disgusting, and should be punished in my opinion. I know I could go as far as to kill someone who'd rape someone close to me. Thing is, the reason rape victims go on living with so many consequences is partly because society look at rape as "something worse than getting killed". I don't think rape victims need our pity. I think they need our help to understand that they can be strong enough to look forward and go on with life. Instead, our society constantly look at them as if victims were some weak people who got permanently dirty from getting raped. White Light, sorry but i disagree with ya'. yes, we mos def need to strengthen victims so that they don't live with that trauma their whole lives. it helps them go on living, and ensures them a happier life, and they absolutely deserve that, and more. BUT, you can't say that rehabilitating the victim after-the-fact will solve anything about the crime being perpetuated! in fact, if all rape victims brush it off as if it were nothing, then the rapists will see even less wrongness in what they do! get rid of the consequences, and you turn a bad thing into something acceptable.. can't ppl just get it? it sucks! when someone says 'no' or 'ouch' you fuckin' stop! oh, yeah, for a second there i almost forgot that the problem IS the human race. bunch o' douche bags that either can't figure out that what they do makes ppl suffer - and that it's unpleasant and would be the first to cry if it happened to them, OR that actually take pleasure out of other's torture. there are no perfect solutions. i think that's the whole problem with such acts. it's just too fuckin' frustrating that nothing can be done about what you couldn't do anything about in the first place. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil a répondu le Mon 23 Nov, 2009 @ 6:45pm |
 Coolness: 86610 | Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
Once again, that's based on the assumption that a person is good, and that being kicked is bad... lol. nice try. you're just trying to justify antisocial behaviour. I agree 100% with your comment about people choosing to see themselves as a victim... but if I walk up and punch someone in the face, I'd say they is a very good chance they are going to "take it the wrong way". unprovoked violence is wrong. end of story. it's hard to detect sarcasm on the internet, but I certainly hope you're not trying to say that there is nothing wrong with hurting people. Not taking responsibility for one's harmful actions is just sociopathic logic. Jails are full of people who think like that. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Mon 23 Nov, 2009 @ 6:49pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» system_glitch a répondu le Mon 23 Nov, 2009 @ 6:50pm |
 Coolness: 162605 | Originally Posted By RECOIL
lol. nice try. you're just trying to justify antisocial behaviour. I agree 100% with your comment about choosing to be a victim... but if I walk up and punch someone in the face, I'd say they is a very good chance they are going to "take it the wrong way". unprovoked violence is wrong. end of story. it's hard to detect sarcasm on the internet, but I certainly hope you're not trying to say that there is nothing wrong with hurting people. Not taking responsibility for ones harmful actions is just sociopathic logic. Jails are full of people who think like that. Nope, unprovoked violence is just plain stupid of course. You don't piss in the same water that you drink, ripple effects and all that shit. But then again what exactly constitutes unprovoked/justified use of force in any form? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH a répondu le Mon 23 Nov, 2009 @ 6:56pm |
 Coolness: 226380 | Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
Nope, unprovoked violence is just plain stupid of course. You don't piss in the same water that you drink, ripple effects and all that shit. But then again what exactly constitutes unprovoked/justified use of force in any form? It's easy. Sometimes you gotta think to yourself : "What would Chuck Norris do?". |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Mon 23 Nov, 2009 @ 6:59pm |
| Coolness: 166650 | Originally Posted By MOLOCH
It's easy. Sometimes you gotta think to yourself : "What would Chuck Norris do?". simple, he'd get a dog to do the job for him.. :p  |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 a répondu le Mon 23 Nov, 2009 @ 7:05pm |
 Coolness: 159225 | On a high school math test, Chuck Norris put down "Violence" as every one of the answers. He got an A+ on the test because Chuck Norris solves all his problems with Violence. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil a répondu le Mon 23 Nov, 2009 @ 7:37pm |
| Coolness: 86610 | Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
Nope, unprovoked violence is just plain stupid of course. You don't piss in the same water that you drink, ripple effects and all that shit. But then again what exactly constitutes unprovoked/justified use of force in any form? well my point was not that it is stupid, it was that it is unequivocally wrong. it's not a matter of "shitting where you eat" - or "will this come back on me?". it's a matter of understanding how the other person would likely feel if you hurt them. empathy. people who lack a conscience and empathy for others are sociopathic / psychopathic / antisocial. that's not to say they won't go far in life... if getting to the top stepping on others is your end game, then it pays to be ruthless. but fundamentally, that kind of predatory behaviour isn't something that can be justified to me, and I'd be pretty wary of anyone who does. the perpetrator can justify their actions to themselves however they like - "they had it coming" "they're weak" etc etc... but I believe it is wrong to cause others to suffer for your own gain, amoral to willfully hurt or exploit others for your own pleasure or benefit. sure you can say - well that is only my opinion... but if a defenseless person is actually getting hurt by some douchebag with no conscience, I know where I stand. Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
But then again what exactly constitutes unprovoked/justified use of force in any form? well the original example given was that of a homeless guy getting kicked in the teeth. and you said that the act of walking up and kicking some random vulnerable person in the teeth is neither good nor bad... My submission is that this absence of moral judgement is a trait of a psychopathic mindset. not saying you are one... I'm assuming you are just throwing ideas around. but from doing case studies in my psychology studies, a comment like that would definitely be a very strong "red flag' for a diagnosis of psychopathy. Psychopaths make for fascinating case studies (though almost impossible to treat), but in the real world they are incredibly destructive, selfish and malicious and should be avoided like the plague. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» qwertyu a répondu le Mon 23 Nov, 2009 @ 7:53pm |
 Coolness: 72985 | Originally Posted By ZOMBIE8MYBRAIN
are ppl still getting raped and abused on a regular basis? yes. so, what we have doesn't work. i agree with the second part. even, some rapists are in it for psychological power-trips, and the more we see victims as weak and pitiful, the power we give the rapists. but underestimation isn't any better. White Light, sorry but i disagree with ya'. yes, we mos def need to strengthen victims so that they don't live with that trauma their whole lives. it helps them go on living, and ensures them a happier life, and they absolutely deserve that, and more. BUT, you can't say that rehabilitating the victim after-the-fact will solve anything about the crime being perpetuated! in fact, if all rape victims brush it off as if it were nothing, then the rapists will see even less wrongness in what they do! get rid of the consequences, and you turn a bad thing into something acceptable.. can't ppl just get it? it sucks! when someone says 'no' or 'ouch' you fuckin' stop! oh, yeah, for a second there i almost forgot that the problem IS the human race. bunch o' douche bags that either can't figure out that what they do makes ppl suffer - and that it's unpleasant and would be the first to cry if it happened to them, OR that actually take pleasure out of other's torture. there are no perfect solutions. i think that's the whole problem with such acts. it's just too fuckin' frustrating that nothing can be done about what you couldn't do anything about in the first place. Yeah all kind of crimes happen all the time, there is nothing we can do to totally stop them. I'm pretty sure that rape is a less common practice here than it is in some law-less country. Rape often goes unpunished because lots of women dont report it to the authoritys in the first place. I saw some statistics about this in college or high school, i dont know how accurate they were , but on a subjective level, i,v known girls who were raped, they could have won easily in court, but they just wanted to forget about it and carry on with their lives. Usually girls know who their rapist are. the rapist is often someone from the entourage of the victim. Let's say some guy in a bar hooks up with a young girl who yes, is a bit naive, the girl is drunk, they kiss, the girl decides to go to the guys place with him, they kiss passionatly in the backseat of the cab, then they make out in the guy's bed and when the times come to have sex, the naive girl says to the guy : '' heum i'd prefer not have sex on a first date '' . And then the guy kinda force the girl to have sex with him. Ok, my point is, how come nobody have said to that hypothetic naive girl to not follow strangers at their place in these circumstances? There is nothing to justify an act of rape. But how come some women are raped 5 times in their lives, while others are never raped? Some people fight all the time ; i'v never fought a man in my life. The best way to prevent rape is probably to not put yourself in situations where you could be raped in the first place. That's what i would do if i wasnt a man. I wouldnt walk in some dirty alley at 3 am in the trashed part of town with 2 strangers who are both ex convicts full of nazi tattoos while wearing some hookers clothes saying to myself that i'm safe because i'm carrying a gun. lolololol |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV a répondu le Mon 23 Nov, 2009 @ 8:09pm |
 Coolness: 108910 | 2 things I like about governments I wouldn't want to live in :
- US: you won't only to 1/6 of your sentence and some mandatory minimum sentences are appropriate - some/all arab countries: the exact same crime your were victim of will be dealt back ; the poor women that was disfigured by acid because she refused to marry a men will see him go through the same thing, how incredibly satisfying that must be ! - russia: just joking, justice there hahaha |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Mon 23 Nov, 2009 @ 8:21pm |
| Coolness: 166650 | "The best way to prevent rape is probably to not put yourself in situations where you could be raped in the first place."
true, but you're talking about one kind of rape (ie. date-rape). besides, maybe some girls like to kiss and cuddle with a person they just met and like; what are they supposed to do, stay alone all the time 'cause guys all want sex and if you go home with them it's automatic? i don't fucking think so. avoiding 'dangerous situations' is easier said than done. and what of the child raped by a parent? i guess they chose to be there in that home .. or the raver given drugs and GHB who didn't choose the result only the trip .. or a woman in a war torn country getting violated by the opposing army who didn't choose to go to war ... :/ yes, if i set my hair on fire, i should expect to feel a little heat, but i shouldn't have to assume that if i walk near someone with matches they might throw them at me... silly example, but what i'm saying is that ppl should have the right to go where they want, and not shut themselves in 'cause every other street corner is potentially dangerous. that also gives criminals all the control! and that's all they want! so, the problem isn't that women walk around in dangerous situations, it's that those fucking situations exist in the first place... argh! sorry, this is a touchy/sensitive issue for me. i know you'll mostly all disagree with me (and i'd have to argue my utopian point), but my real solution involves: 6 good ppl, baseball bats, and a van. know-what-'m-sayin'? fuck the justice system, i just want justice. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» qwertyu a répondu le Mon 23 Nov, 2009 @ 9:19pm |
| Coolness: 72985 | Originally Posted By ZOMBIE8MYBRAIN
"The best way to prevent rape is probably to not put yourself in situations where you could be raped in the first place." true, but you're talking about one kind of rape (ie. date-rape). besides, maybe some girls like to kiss and cuddle with a person they just met and like; what are they supposed to do, stay alone all the time 'cause guys all want sex and if you go home with them it's automatic? i don't fucking think so. avoiding 'dangerous situations' is easier said than done. and what of the child raped by a parent? i guess they chose to be there in that home .. or the raver given drugs and GHB who didn't choose the result only the trip .. or a woman in a war torn country getting violated by the opposing army who didn't choose to go to war ... :/ yes, if i set my hair on fire, i should expect to feel a little heat, but i shouldn't have to assume that if i walk near someone with matches they might throw them at me... silly example, but what i'm saying is that ppl should have the right to go where they want, and not shut themselves in 'cause every other street corner is potentially dangerous. that also gives criminals all the control! and that's all they want! so, the problem isn't that women walk around in dangerous situations, it's that those fucking situations exist in the first place... argh! sorry, this is a touchy/sensitive issue for me. i know you'll mostly all disagree with me (and i'd have to argue my utopian point), but my real solution involves: 6 good ppl, baseball bats, and a van. know-what-'m-sayin'? fuck the justice system, i just want justice. The baseball bat solution dosent involves justice. It involves vengance. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH a répondu le Mon 23 Nov, 2009 @ 10:02pm |
| Coolness: 226380 | Originally Posted By ZOMBIE8MYBRAIN
"The best way to prevent rape is probably to not put yourself in situations where you could be raped in the first place." true, but you're talking about one kind of rape (ie. date-rape). besides, maybe some girls like to kiss and cuddle with a person they just met and like; what are they supposed to do, stay alone all the time 'cause guys all want sex and if you go home with them it's automatic? i don't fucking think so. avoiding 'dangerous situations' is easier said than done. and what of the child raped by a parent? i guess they chose to be there in that home .. or the raver given drugs and GHB who didn't choose the result only the trip .. or a woman in a war torn country getting violated by the opposing army who didn't choose to go to war ... :/ yes, if i set my hair on fire, i should expect to feel a little heat, but i shouldn't have to assume that if i walk near someone with matches they might throw them at me... silly example, but what i'm saying is that ppl should have the right to go where they want, and not shut themselves in 'cause every other street corner is potentially dangerous. that also gives criminals all the control! and that's all they want! so, the problem isn't that women walk around in dangerous situations, it's that those fucking situations exist in the first place... argh! sorry, this is a touchy/sensitive issue for me. i know you'll mostly all disagree with me (and i'd have to argue my utopian point), but my real solution involves: 6 good ppl, baseball bats, and a van. know-what-'m-sayin'? fuck the justice system, i just want justice. QFT. I'm with you on this one. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil a répondu le Mon 23 Nov, 2009 @ 10:13pm |
| Coolness: 86610 | Originally Posted By LAURENT
The best way to prevent rape is probably to not put yourself in situations where you could be raped in the first place. That's what i would do if i wasnt a man. nah. ok sure for a man or woman common sense is always good. like a taxi driver has to make a judgement call when he picks up a fare - based on vibe, what they look like and where they are asking to be picked up or taken. he has to use intuition and common sense and maybe avoid someone who will try and rob him. same thing for anyone. you avoid places and people that have a reputation or a vibe of being dangerous but for women getting raped it's not that simple. could happen anywhere and with any guy. and the guy might look totally harmless, or might very well be someone they trust. how can they avoid that? I dont know what the answer is, but my point is, you can't blame them for falling victim to predators. and not just women get raped. even very strong battle-hardened gang members get raped in jail. 3 or 4 guys attack them, hold them down, wrap them up tight in a blanket so they can't resist, and they get raped. apparently happens all the time in some prisons. these guys doing the raping aren't gay, it's about power. some really ancient behaviour that goes back to before we were even Homo sapiens, I guess. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» qwertyu a répondu le Mon 23 Nov, 2009 @ 10:43pm |
| Coolness: 72985 | Originally Posted By RECOIL
nah. ok sure for a man or woman common sense is always good. like a taxi driver has to make a judgement call when he picks up a fare - based on vibe, what they look like and where they are asking to be picked up or taken. he has to use intuition and common sense and maybe avoid someone who will try and rob him. same thing for anyone. you avoid places and people that have a reputation or a vibe of being dangerous but for women getting raped it's not that simple. could happen anywhere and with any guy. and the guy might look totally harmless, or might very well be someone they trust. how can they avoid that? I dont know what the answer is, but my point is, you can't blame them for falling victim to predators. and not just women get raped. even very strong battle-hardened gang members get raped in jail. 3 or 4 guys attack them, hold them down, wrap them up tight in a blanket so they can't resist, and they get raped. apparently happens all the time in some prisons. these guys doing the raping aren't gay, it's about power. some really ancient behaviour that goes back to before we were even Homo sapiens, I guess. You have a point there |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Mon 23 Nov, 2009 @ 11:55pm |
| Coolness: 166650 | Originally Posted By LAURENT
The baseball bat solution dosent involves justice. It involves vengance. but it's not personal vengeance, it's avenging others.. i swear it's different :p besides, vengeance and justice are not mutually exclusive. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DrGonzo a répondu le Tue 24 Nov, 2009 @ 12:21am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear a répondu le Tue 24 Nov, 2009 @ 12:23am |
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