C'Est Quoi Le Gabber?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 8:44am |
 Coolness: 152990 | lol, once again bliss, you prove nothing, you just makes us all loose time.. as always. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BOBDYLAN a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 8:50am |
 Coolness: 148170 | Originally Posted By BLISSS
C'est moi qui gagne! yo BLISSS , le fuck c,est que c'est pas une bataille, c,est une conversation, pour échanger des idées. chauvin de BLISSS va |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mutante a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 9:29am |
 Coolness: 76165 | Originally Posted By MICKOS
yo blisss, le fuck c,est que c'est pas une bataille, c,est une conversation, pour échanger des idées. chauvin de blisss va t'as raison mais jai plus le feeling que ca vaut pour tout le monde... y a aucune raison de prendre ca personnel non plus. tout ceux qui sont allé en hollande ou en belgique meme peuvent témoigner que des fois tu te sens weid un peu. le look hooligan est omnipresent pis cest justement parce que a une époque y a eu de réel problemes avec des "nationaleux" que maintenant y se doivent de mettre des avertissements sur les flyers. je pense que ya du monde qui ont compris que personnellement jme dissocie de cette idéologie de merde la, voir meme etre contre ;) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 9:32am |
 Coolness: 140670 | moé jvote mutante pour ministre des affaires étrangères |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mutante a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 9:45am |
| Coolness: 76165 | votez bien votez rien  |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 9:47am |
 Coolness: 75655 | I've mostly stayed out this discussion, but it's foolish to say there isn't a neo-nazi element within the gabber scene. I'm certainly not saying that there's a problem here, because I've never really seen any evidence of racism within the Montreal hardcore community. I think it's great that people here don't subscribe to that sort of ideology, but to say that it isn't a problem anywhere else... travel a bit, and you might see what I mean.
In close to fifteen years of playing shows across North America - and going to a few events in Europe - I've seen a lot of nazi/white-power tattoos at events (I've probably seen just as many at rock concerts and metal shows, but we're not specifically talking about that music)... I mean, look at the Fuck Parade, which was originally called Hate Parade (in opposition to the Love Parade). They changed their name when neo-nazis started showing up, and trying to get involved... In any case, any music that discharges as much energy as gabber does is bound to attract people who misinterpret the positive release of negative emotions as a way of expressing hate... but they've got the wrong idea. The music isn't about accumulating anger, it's about redirecting it through sound and dance... hopefully getting rid of most of it, and easing the burden of everyday frustrations. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 9:54am |
| Coolness: 140670 | Originally Posted By FISHEAD
In any case, any music that discharges as much energy as gabber does is bound to attract people who misinterpret the positive release of negative emotions as a way of expressing hate... but they've got the wrong idea. The music isn't about accumulating anger, it's about redirecting it through sound and dance... hopefully getting rid of most of it, and easing the burden of everyday frustrations. that is the most beautiful thing ive read in a damn while |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mutante a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 9:56am |
| Coolness: 76165 | exactly but the most important part to keep in mind is that i dont think any producers, labels or organisations validate these ideas.
its mostly some isolated talentless wankers who does. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 10:37am |
 Coolness: 221750 | Originally Posted By BLISSS
On the negative side of the early gabber culture were the football Hooligans and neo-Nazis. Amsterdam and Rotterdam have an extraordinarily strong football feud which has even resulted in deaths (but not at parties). This feud, along with other football feuds, were brought to gabber-parties in which fights would break out. Also some neo-nazis started going to gabber events, no doubt attracted to the hardness of the music. These people who were a vast minority gave the gabber-scene a bad rap. the key words here are VAST MINORITY !!! does that mean everyone who like's gabber is a neo-nazi ?? or like does it mean that a scene got hijacked by neo-nazi's? That's it, after all this, i'm making a new track sampling hiter's speach's, the word "jew" and the word "hardcore" !! and i'll make sure it's a "break's" track.. damn rasist-break Dj's. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mutante a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 10:42am |
| Coolness: 76165 | Originally Posted By CLOWN
the key words here are VAST MINORITY !!! does that mean everyone who like's gabber is a neo-nazi ?? no it means they're wankers :P |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 10:47am |
 Coolness: 685575 | Originally Posted By CLOWN
the key words here are VAST MINORITY !!! does that mean everyone who like's gabber is a neo-nazi ?? or like does it mean that a scene got hijacked by neo-nazi's? That's it, after all this, i'm making a new track sampling hiter's speach's, the word "jew" and the word "hardcore" !! and i'll make sure it's a "break's" track.. damn rasist-break Dj's. While you're at it, remix some old nazi marching anthems! Panzer rollen in Afrika vor would be a good place to start :P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 11:25am |
| Coolness: 221750 | yeah, it'll sound something like this :
jew-tish, jew-tiiiish, jew-tish, jew-tiiiiisssshh, adolf-jew-tish, jew-tishhhhhh, then i'll just use a sample "core" and use it as the bassline, to sound like, co-co-co-co-co jew-tish core, hardcore, jew-tishhhh, co-co-co-co-co, hardcore hitler jew-tishh. should be fun! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 12:07pm |
 Coolness: 86490 | Originally Posted By RAWALI
I couldn't find anything concerning adr88... although there are some references to a hardcore label called adr (stands for aryan dance resistance)... from what i heard it's mostly oldschool hardcore/jungle... lol! Aryan Dance Resistance? hahahahah no. i googled that and came up with nothing. ADR - I know that label and have a couple of their tracks. ADR is a respected old hardcore / jungle label from the early 90s - it stands for After Dark Recordings -> [ www.discogs.com ] oldskool UK hardcore and jungle is about as far from this rightwing white pride crap as you can get. very multicultural Mise À Jour » recoil a écrit sur Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 3:24pm and when I say "rightwing white pride crap" I mean the nazi scumbags, NOT gabber music |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 12:09pm |
 Coolness: 131580 | Originally Posted By BLISSS
Hein? Put "nazis" and "gabber" in your search engine, see what comes up This has nothing to do with me, its your scene, Thanks for explaining it more thoroughly though, I love learning about music :) PUT LITTLE GIRLS IN YOUR BROWSER SEE WHATS UP ! YOUR TOTALY MAKING GENERALISATION WITHOUT THINKING JUST OF YOUR SHOW. Originally Posted By BLISSS
You make a good point though, I don't know enough about gabber to judge it properly . |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DrGonzo a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 12:35pm |
 Coolness: 265940 | Originally Posted By MAD-KILOZ
chez pas moi ca me fait rire... serieux lalala i get a kick out of all this dissing shit... BIGUPS we got some pretty funny people in mtl. the second trashiest raver board in the world # 1 being:::: london's "squatjuice a foul and despicable place" [ www.squatjuice.com ] lol I know, I'm getting somewhat a kick out of it as well but it kind of gets old real fast. 'deal with it on the playground' was more of a joke than anything else. ;P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 12:49pm |
| Coolness: 86490 | Originally Posted By N.A
As mentioned before, nazis have gotten into all styles of music, so you cannot say that a style is for nazis just 'cause they listen to it, otherwise all music is neo-nazi then (especially breaks). that's not true though. some styles I play for example - > oldskool hiphop, house, oldskool UK hardcore/jungle/D&B... there was no neo-nazi contingent in those styles. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 1:45pm |
| Coolness: 131580 | i heard nazi hiphop & jungle, politicals views are coined by some artist, but you cant generalise
> mutante t'as raison mais jai plus le feeling que ca vaut pour tout le monde... y a aucune raison de prendre ca personnel non plus. tout ceux qui sont allé en hollande ou en belgique meme peuvent témoigner que des fois tu te sens weid un peu. le look hooligan est omnipresent pis cest justement parce que a une époque y a eu de réel problemes avec des "nationaleux" que maintenant y se doivent de mettre des avertissements sur les flyers. je pense que ya du monde qui ont compris que personnellement jme dissocie de cette idéologie de merde la, voir meme etre contre ;) ils sont tellement marquer, comme les parti droite dallemangne (NPD) en se moment se recolte des tonnes de slogan anti nazi : DEINE STIMME GEGEN NAZIS , NIE WIEDER FASCHISMUS! & KEINE TOLERANZ FUR NAZIS! moi je trouve juste que lopinion de bliss est comme dire que tout les allemand mange de la saucisse, je suis sur ki en a des veges. Mise À Jour » cutterhead a écrit sur Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 1:54pm ecoute jai meme un vinyl (compte pour enfant quebecois) a conotation fashiste et raciste fais en debut dapres guerre, QUEBECOIS . compte de matante lucille ou kelkechose.. tu peu pas
dire que les nazi ON tel ou tel music, est ce que les hippies on tel ou tel music ? non une epoque on une musique, les gens ce rassemble pour ecouter le son dune epoque. mais le son nest pas une representation de leur vouloir de conquerance ! Mise À Jour » cutterhead a écrit sur Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 1:57pm oupse:
le compte que je parle a ete presser en allemangne. (donc tout ce qui est press la bas est nazi ?) 80% des vinyl press du monde se trouve en allemangne |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 1:53pm |
| Coolness: 152990 | Originally Posted By RECOIL
that's not true though. some styles I play for example - > oldskool hiphop, house, oldskool UK hardcore/jungle/D&B... there was no neo-nazi contingent in those styles. are you saying that no nazi never listen to any of these music, ever? that musit mean that you know all of the world's nazi and all thier lifes. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 2:26pm |
| Coolness: 86490 | Originally Posted By CUTTERHEAD
i heard nazi hiphop & jungle, politicals views are coined by some artist, but you cant generalise bah. just cuz some neo-nazi loser makes some political hiphop or jungle record in their basment doesn't mean shit. that doesn't mean they represent some recognizable minority in the scene. I can agree that music scenes have their bad elements. for example.. jungle attracted a lot of thugs and wanna-be rudeboys. but it was never known to attract any kind of neo-nazi minority. they would feel very out of place there, for many obvious reasons that's all I'm saying |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown a répondu le Tue 30 Dec, 2008 @ 2:33pm |
| Coolness: 221750 | you know what else is funny ?? most GABBER producers always make a Break's track on there EP's, like Luna-C, even BelladonnaKilz (not gabber but still in the hardcore scene).
reference : [ www.plastikpeople.nl ] |
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