Anti-War
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» OMGSTFUDIEPLZKTX a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 1:41am |
 Coolness: 66635 | nukes are irrelevent anyways.
I honestly don't think nuclear weapons are an effective tool anymore, because they aren't all that fast and can be easily shot down by some pretty non-advanced anti aircraft weaponry before it's true force is unleashed. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 1:46am |
 Coolness: 685710 | I never said sit back and do nothing about what you believe in. But if your going to fight, DO IT PROPERLY! rallies and protests do nothing but irritate. Sure they show opposition, but then what? Ok, people know you are against it. Doesn't mean shit to them. If you go in to fight something, go in prepared to do the job properly. If you want to change something about politicians, you will NEVER acomplish ANYTHING from the street. You have to take the fight to them. Your little protests are a bunch of people going in to a war with nothing but sticks and rocks. Get yourself a gun (education) and then go to the battlefield (politics) and if you truly stand up for what you believe and can convince other people that your beliefs are right, then you will win the war.
Or, you can just protest and be a little fly on the ass of the horse that is politics. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» OMGSTFUDIEPLZKTX a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 1:48am |
| Coolness: 66635 | fred
you do realize that in order for a president to maintain controll over his goals with the country, he requires PUBLIC SUPPORT. Protests, if powerful enough, have a tendancy to making politicans who NEED their power to think twice about what they are doing and/or how they are going about doing it because their public support is declining. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 1:51am |
| Coolness: 685710 | Wow. He's got sooooo much public support from CANADA. What are we gonna do? Go to war agains them? I mean, sure most americans can't even find their own state on a map, let alone another country.
And, also, sorry to dissapoint you but the president is an ICON. Think of him like the singer in a band. He's NOT the all-powerfull one who does ABSOLUTELY everything. Wether Bush is in office, or Gore, or Clinton, or any other one of those dumb idiots, they DON'T have all the power. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» OMGSTFUDIEPLZKTX a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 1:56am |
| Coolness: 66635 | The people who have power have it BECAUSE of the president. Besides, bush has popularity only because of Sept 11th. If it wasn't for the icons of americanism being destroyed, Bush would not have the support he and the people below him need to wage this great war of his. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 2:15am |
 Coolness: 339785 | "because they aren't all that fast and can be easily shot down by some pretty non-advanced anti aircraft weaponry before it's true force is unleashed."
do you have any idea how fast the ICBM's that carry these nukes are? the US is only now working on this whole shooting down missle's from the sky, but at a million bucks a shot it still misses.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 2:22am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ontheroadagain a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 12:38pm |
 Coolness: 54455 | As much as i hate Gee Dubya, he is only a figurehead/puppet with very little power....the BIG players (ie...the .005% that control 99% of the world's wealth)call the shots. His job is to be charismatic enough to sway public opinion.....he's a podium monkey....he doesn't have any real power..
As for protests.... Every single thought you have sends of an electrical impulse.....everything is energy and reacts to other energies.....thoughts effect life, period. If you get large groups of people having similar thoughts there is more energy,and larger ripple effect, causing events to change faster and more dramatically. So if people get together and protest, it does make a difference. We just need more people to send out more positivity (or select people who have trained their whole life for this) to get involved. That said....the politicians don't give a rat's ass if we protest...the people who protest are usually the one's who don't vote and therefor won't cause politicians to worry about anything (they just want to stay in power...that's it). There can be a positive mob mentality....and 10 people believing in something sends out more energy than 10 seperate thoughts....it's exponential...it's better than 20 people kinda having the same thought sitting at home.... blah blah blah....i'll shut up now and focus my energy on something more positive |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ontheroadagain a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 12:44pm |
| Coolness: 54455 | ..and as much as i LOVE sillyness....it's fucking sweet to see a thread that actually causes people to think about what they believe in...
...oh ya....i forgot...there is always balance in the world....so negativity (war,hate..) is needed....it has a purpose... uuummmm...like ya..i'll shut up again now :) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PitaGore a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 1:10pm |
 Coolness: 471925 | Damn conspiracy !
-Unsane not insane- |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 1:21pm |
| Coolness: 685710 | Oh, and Alex, in case you WEREN'T aware:
(From [ MTV.com ] so they think only americans read their articles) Can You Be Drafted To Fight In Iraq? Last summer, when President Bush first sought backing for military action against Iraq, liberal Democrat Charles Rangel of New York was among his most vocal opponents. But almost immediately after congress returned from vacation this week, Representative Rangel proposed legislation to reinstate the military draft. The bill would compel males between 18 and 25 to be enlisted in the U.S. Armed Forces. While Rangel's bill is considered to have little chance of becoming law, it has reignited a debate (as it was surely intended to) over class, race and who should be required to fight and possibly die for a country that has not put such large numbers of combatants in the field in a generation. In a December 31 op-ed article published in The New York Times,the often outspoken congressman floated the idea, arguing, "A disproportionate number of the poor and members of minority groups make up the enlisted ranks of the military, while the most privileged Americans are underrepresented or absent." According to the Defense Department, blacks make up 20 percent of the overall military and 22 percent of all those enlisted in the services. Blacks make up about 11 percent of the U.S. population as a whole, according to the 2000 Census. To remedy the situation, Rangel, who is black, proposes that the draft be reinstated for the first time since the Vietnam War. "I believe that if we are going to send our children to war, the governing principle must be that of shared sacrifice," he wrote. Rangel also expressed concern that the current force of 1.4 million active military personnel might become spread too thin if the current standoff with Iraq escalates, the U.S. continues its efforts to dismantle the al Qaeda network and it maintains heavy troop presences in South Korea and Japan. The congressman's proposal has received little initial support from key lawmakers on Capitol Hill, who will likely decide the legislation's fate. "My read at this time is that there is not a lot of enthusiasm or support for [the draft], either within the civilian community or perhaps most importantly within the military services themselves," said Representative John McHugh (R-NY), who chairs the House Armed Services military personnel subcommittee. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has stated on several occasions that he does not support reinstating the draft. "There's no need for it at all," he said during a press conference on Tuesday. "The disadvantages of using compulsion to bring into the armed forces the men and women needed are notable." Critics of Rangel's proposal point out that it would take roughly a year to train any enlisted soldier for combat. By that time, any conflict with Iraq would likely have been long since resolved. Others say Rangel is using the draft issue simply to score political points. The conservative editorial board at The Wall Street Journalrecently excoriated Rangel for "stoking racial flames." The newspaper also cited Defense Department data that suggests that blacks are more likely than whites to hold non-combat roles in the military. "The Special Forces, who led the Afghanistan campaign and who would likely play a key role in Iraq, are overwhelmingly white," added the paper. Under current law, all males between the ages of 18 and 25 are required to register with the Selective Service, the government agency that would coordinate a draft. Currently 11.1 million are signed up, according to the agency. If Rangel's legislation were to be passed by congress and signed into law, the first to be called up would be 20-year-olds. After that, those 21, 22, 23, 24 and 25 years old would be drafted successively. Finally, 18 and 19-year-olds would receive the call. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» metra64 a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 1:27pm |
| Coolness: 40110 | I know about the UN regulations. But do you really think its fair? Why doesn’t IRAQ send people to investigate what the US is really doing with their chemical weapons. You know why? Because they are the "good guys". No one messes with the good guys because they only want peace in the world, jajajaajjaja.
Another thing, Russia is not with North Korea! Russia is in a very bad state, and since they are not a communist country anymore they need to be with allies in order to survive. FUCK WAR.. -the onlybush i rust is my own- |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 1:31pm |
| Coolness: 685710 | well, obviously, if the US uses chemical/biological weapons, they aren't going to do it on american soil, whereas the weapons they suspect iraq of having would be on a one way ticket over to north america en-mass.
Wether we like them or not, a good 95% of laws that are established are actually there for a pretty good reason. Might I point out the last time a surrendering country violated it's terms of surrender was germany, who violated the terms of surender from WW1 and went on to start WW2 and almost succesfully took over Europe. History repeats itself. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ontheroadagain a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 1:40pm |
| Coolness: 54455 | if Iraq or anyone else tries to first-strike the US they will get stomped.....fast....and [ hard...US ] and allies = a very large stick
are there any Americans out there in ravewaveland? What are your thoughts on this? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 1:43pm |
| Coolness: 339785 | the US has also yet to sign the anti personel land mine pack that half of the world has already signed.. yeah, did you know they still use land mines? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 1:44pm |
| Coolness: 685710 | yeah, they'll get stomped BIG time. I dunno about you though, but I'd like it if we DIDN'T have a nuke or a biological dissease running rampant in North America before we do something. It's like, you KNOW someone has something they are going to use against you, that will hurt and possibly kill millions, or at LEAST a few hundred thousand, but you just sit there untill they use it to do anything. It's like having security at a party, but not searching people for weapons untill AFTER someone gets stabbed or shot. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 1:45pm |
| Coolness: 339785 | heh, i'm half american! jOy |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 1:46pm |
| Coolness: 685710 | So yer mama's yer half-sister? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 2:07pm |
 Coolness: 201345 | lets see how much americans support the "war on terrorism" when they might be sent off to fight it.
Supporting a "war" when you are sitting in your SUV sipping a latte is a lot different than actually risking being drafted and having to haul your ass to iraq. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Miss_Amanda a répondu le Fri 10 Jan, 2003 @ 2:10pm |
 Coolness: 160665 | true dat |
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