Get ready!

Thanks! It's a bit of a drunken, sloppy mix in places. Break was playing in Toronto right after the radio show so we had to take the opportunity to get mentally prepared for the big party.

Tracklisting available if there's enough demand.

Hope everyone had good holidays. Bring on '10!

The PCI-324 is motu's pci-firewire interface and it's not a prerequisite for using the 2408. Ive read numerous reports of it bugging out on Asus motherboards. I dont see what's stopping the op from buying a 3rd party PCI card and just running the firewire cable directly

RTFM. Motu firewire cards are only compatable with a Texas Instruments or Lucent Technologies 1394 chipsets. Your built-in pc firewire interface is VERY unlikely to be up to spec. I use a Lacie PCI-firewire card, cost less than 30 bucks and works sweet. Im constantly running all 8 TRS outs at 24bit and havent had many issues at all... Im looking into getting the microclock mk2 and 2408 mod from [ www.blacklionaudio.com ] - beats paying 3k for an apogee;)

17.50 per hour = 700 per week = 36.4k gross = 28,978 net income = nowhere near enough to be bragging about imo. I think bus drivers make more

Had a great time. Expectations far exceeded. Venue and sound were orsum. Headliners did a solid job. Massive ups to twisted bass and all other parties involved. 376 door count is testament to the promoters' success.

Damn, this thread is still alive. Scotty, elitism implies exclusion based on perceived superiority. I dont see how pointing out unethical behaviour is elitest, especially when it's harmful to everyone involved at every level. Furthermore, I didnt claim anything. The facts were blatant and Fred called himself out. I guess the conclusion we're reaching is if you dont have enough respect for yourself to adequetly provide for your own survival and wellbeing, then you cant be expected to respect others.

Fred, you say everything was resolved via PM. I didnt get one...did anyone else in Montreal? I think we we're all owed an apology, bit late now though isn't it? BTW, Alex sent me your labrat bootleg. Good work on the drums, man.

I really couldnt care less if people download released music. There's not much anyone can do to stop it. The main issue is playing out shitty quality rips. Its like taking a photo of a rembrandt with a disposable camera and then throwing an art exhibition. Art noobs wont know the difference, you might get laid, but you will also get blacklisted or your ass kicked if anyone with any credibility finds out.

Playing out unreleased tunes you dont have permission to play is like taking an artist's paycheck and wiping your ass with it. It also comes off as a 2 tonne bs name drop. It's not uncommon for bigger names to decide not to support a track simply because joe bedroomdeejay has it in his tracklisting. It's also not uncommon for labels to sign tracks and then decide not to release them because they show up in torrent or soulseek searches.

Kinda fumbled the first analogy there. Just wanted to also give praise to Dialect for that slick photochop, nice1!

Ive listened to plenty of unsigned and signed (to mp3 label) music on this site, and very rarely am I even slightly impressed. I get sent hundreds of tunes every month direct to my AIM inbox by producers drastically ranging in skill level. I hear everything from utter nonsense to top-of-the-game material, and trust me..the gap between producers who have signed a few vinyl releases and are just starting to make a name for themselves, to those who are at the top is massive. You can't get there without 100% dedication to the craft, and that means sacrificing almost everything.

Promotional skills = internet, professionalism and social aptitude
Contact and support network = internet, professionalism and social aptitude
catalog of work to back it up = 10 years of hard yards honing the craft (in most cases)
label = Big fucking sacrifice and investment to diy properly

There's a bit more involved than creating a myspace page and spamming people.

Ill agree that there is plently of unsigned talent out there, but its clear to me that they dont work hard enough or make the sacrifices necessary to take it to the next level. 99% of them are cheap knock-offs of the people that inspire them within their own niche genre. The mentality of instant gratification has a lot to do with it, but that's another discussion all together.

Examples of your friends' music? As someone who has been releaseing vinyl on internationally distributed labels for 6 years now, I think Im a pretty good judge for what constitutes pro standard. I can comfortably assume bullshit tho. If your friends were any good, and as serious as those artists, theyd have a solid promotional skills, a contact/support network, and a catalog of work to back it up and no label would ignore that.

Every industry is a pyramid scheme with ceo's, directors, and vps eating cake while compartmetalised crumbs trickle down to those involved in r&d, production or back-end. Im not here to brag, complain or comment about my own situation. I will say that, being in the position im in, talking to industry insiders every day, I have a pretty good grasp of what's going on.

I'm sorry guys, but this attitude of 'art should just be a hobby' is complete bullshit. Keep this up and there will be no entertainment industry left. The reality of the situation is that at every stage in the production process, costs are being incurred.

If your favourite artists had to stop making music professionally and get a 9-5, they wouldnt be able to dedicate anywhere near as much time as they did. Quality would drop dramatically to the point where people who actually have talent would be perceived as being on even keel with delusional fucknut wannabes. There would be no incentive to take it seriously enough to provide a quality product. In fact, music would no longer exist as a product and thus neither would the quality control associated with pushing said product.

How about the recording studios, record labels, sessionists etc.. Without any return on investments, the whole model falls apart and everyone suffers, consumer included.

You guys think it's possible to make the same quality and volume of work as say dubfire, hawtin, Noisia, deadmau5 and anyone else at the top of their game while holding down a 9-5 and doing music as a 'hobby just for the love'? Fuck off, just not possible.

Anyone who disagrees with me does not realize how much hard work and determination it takes to make music to pro quality standards.

Vinyl rips and leaked dubplates, as per all my posts in this thread. My major issue is leaked dubplates. If you're gonna download tunes, make sure they're good quality so that you're atleast playing the artists' tracks the way they're meant to be heard, also make sure they've been released. Again, Variable bit rate mp3 vinyl rips sound like shit. No one can stop you from playing them, but your sets will sound like ass and people who have experienced ears know the difference right away.

Playing leaked dubplates you dont have permission to play is fuckin retarded. I think Ive repeated myself enough in this thread. I will possibly come back if someone else wants to chime in with a confession.

Your responses are all appreciated, sorry for not having replied to everyone.

I think the majority of leaking occurs from producers' close friends, which is why I dont send my unreleased tracks out to anyone who isnt a producer at a similar or higher level than me. The other possibility is cds being stolen or left behind at gigs.

Many people are starting to watermark their unreleased tracks now to weed out the leakers.

Someone who plays leaked unreleased tracks in public mixes is NOT a fan. They;re severly damaging any future sales from the leaked tune (assuming a label wants to even sign it - wont happen these days) and they're advertising the availability of the leaked track, further hurting the artist.

a LOT of people in this thread don't seem to understand what leaked, unreleased tracks are. No one can stop you from playing vinyl rips, and it would be pretty hard to prove (even though its blatantly obvious when a VBR vinyl rip is mixed into a 320k mp3).

Don;t go around calling people hypocrites because the same goes for buying tunes. If you're serious enough about the music that you put mixes out into the public domain to get gigs, and then actually get gigs, use your 40 dollar or whatever dj fee to buy some fuckin tunes. You're quite the immoral anarchist, aren't you?

So how much did all those tunes cost you?

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I'm quite happy to list off all the software and sample CD purchases Ive made over the last 10 years, but really, you're comparing apples with oranges to a certain extent. The production software and electronic music industries are very different. Both have a niche product, but only one market is saturated and showing trends of dying out. You wouldn't feel guilty for eating a sirloin steak, but (assuming you have a conscience) you should feel guilty for eating shark's fin or some other endangered delicacy. Also, many of the DAWs released over the last few years have solid copy/crack protection mechanisms, digital music doesn't really have such features.

That's a good start;)



Hardly resolved imo. Your emotionally charged cyber outburst made EVERYONE look bad and you candidly continue like nothing ever happened, no public apology from what I remember.








Your outlook is so unbelievably grim. I'm clearly not the one who needs a reality check. I'm no shrink, but if the medical certificate for crohn's disease doesnt work, I'm sure the provincial government would accept one for clinical depression.



Enjoying life should be number one on everyone's list of priorities, but if something you enjoy doing has a direct detrimental effect on others, then you should at least try to find compromises which satisfy the best interests of all parties involved (I've mentioned plenty).

Fred, you're basically asking for it. After being called a spastic by the whole of doa, do you think it's unfathomable that someone would research your online habits and find your leaked dubplate mixes on myspace or on here, just to mock you even more? I'm really surprised it hasn't happened yet tbh.

It's one thing to download leaked tunes for your own personal enjoyment, but once it's out in the public domain, expect to get blacklisted, or worse.

I've done my best to be diplomatic and give you advice, if you don't want to follow it, that's your choice. Don't say you weren't warned though.

All the best.

I feel sorry for you. If you want to do bigger things in dnb than you're currently doing, your attitude is gonna have to change.

Have you considered employment?

If you're too sick to work, and get a medical certificate, your welfare benefits should be minimum 650, depending on how debilitating your medical condition is.

If you have a checking account, you can get a paypal account. All major online mp3 vendors accept paypal. An mp3 costs like 2 bucks man, fix up.

My major issue is playing leaked dubs. It's just not on. we dont need another mass-mtl-pwnage on our hands. If you download tunes and want to put them in a recorded mix, at the VERY LEAST make sure you check to see if they have been released. Just do a search on juno, chemical records, [ rolldabeats.com ] anything...it's not rocket surgery. By playing leaked unreleased tunes you dont have permission to play, you risk getting blacklisted by the artists themselves once its out in the public domain for everyone to see, or worse. Furthermore, you're basically advertising the availability of these leaked tunes. You really dont need to draw any more negative attention to yourself, Fred.

Thanks for the responses.




Good to know we're on the same page.



Much of the drama and sarcasm posted on doa is retarded..I'll agree, but it is a very busy site. At any time, there are hundreds, if not thousands of people browsing the forums.



Has it been said here though? If it has, it needs to reiterated so that it sinks in.




Sampling culture is in a completely different ethical ballpark to downloading inferior quality versions of tracks in an effort to promote yourself (as stated earlier it's not promoting/supporting the artist, quite the opposite). These vinyl rips have gone through multiple stages of analog to digital and vice versa conversion and as such, loads of quality has been lost. To me, there is very little creative pursuit in this, as opposed to sampling culture or (even) bootleg remixing.

It's also completely different to downloading leaked dubplates (unreleased tracks) which you dont have permission to play. I cant think of any other reason why someone would want to do that other than falsely giving out the impression that they are personally 'down' with the artist. This falls under the banner of delusions of grandeur, a symptom of many psychological disorders.

I cant comment much on genres besides d'n'b but there seem to be a few of you downloading shitty vinyl mp3 rips, or leaked dubplates which you clearly don't have permission to play and using those in your recorded mix sets. Let me tell you that this is very much frowned upon. Firstly, those vinyl rips sound like crap, so not only are you doing a disservice to the artist by not paying for their music and playing inferior quality versions of their tunes, but you're also doing a huge disservice to yourself. To me, it's blatantly obvious that these are not legit 320k mp3s. The tracks sound like shit (especially live on a rig coming out of serato or torque with various stages of compression).

Regarding unreleased tracks, if you're going to be a d'n'b pirate and use deepbassnine or soulseek, don't flaunt it, keep it to yourself. After a certain 20+ page doa thread with over 20,000 views, this city is now officially the laughing stock of the international d'n'b community.

There has to be some sort of oversight or quality control. I'm sick of people being praised for churning out total amateurish crap. The sad thing is, most listeners don't seem to know the difference.

I'm not going to mention names, those who engage in these activities know who they are. Take this as a warning. If I see mixes posted on here with stolen/unreleased/illegal tunes, I will call you out.

Unfortunately, there aren't many shortcuts to achievement. Hard work, perseverance, and solid networking are the keys to success in this game.

Later ones? That album is well over 10 years old brud.

This is a tune from their forthcoming album, 'Travel the Galaxy':



Cant Wait! Great work Corey and Twisted Bass

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I'm surprised no one has posted in this thread. This guy is the modern day king of minimal house/techno - such a sick producer. Ribcage and Emissions were light years beyond 95% of everything else released last year.

Is anyone here planning on going? I'd consider it, but none of my friends would...

I'd considering buying it if it were a Wake 'n' Baker and spat out a spliff, not a slice of bacon. You stick 0.5g in the machine the night before and it burns a little 0.05 for aroma then autorolls the remaining 0.45g, with various settings for spliff type (tulip, cannon etc.)

Im hoping for a return to the sound of The Creeps but I suspect there will probably be a bit of jazzy fluff like the Chameleon LP. Sill tho, they will always be the kings of tech in my eyes, even if they only put out one or two sick tunes like Life Underwater and Cyberskin per LP.

200:1 sheep:human ratio. The local deppaneurs (or dairys as they are known over there) sell velcrow gloves instead of condoms. The farmers think they're handy cause they provide extra grip and protect against wool burn during a good sheep shag.

Yes, originally from Auckland. My dad went to Wanganui Collegiate, not sure if hes too proud either.

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Fully!

Cheers man! Having to concede more and more to mp3 releases these days (vinyl junkies need not worry, plenty lined up for 2009). Hopefully this one will get selected for world-wide CD release on Pitch Black's Rude Mechanicals Remix LP.

Hehehe ^ Better than Oil caps from some random tinny shed in Mangere ;)

Yea dnb's ok, Im a picky bastard tho. Typically, if a bassline doesnt contain at least 7 midrange layers of varying dominance/subtlety and whose filter automation curves follow an interlocking Lorenz transform configuration with minimum 62.4% accuracy, then it's probably chavstep. Using this geometric model, only 0.032% of dnb will grant the listener stiffy/knicker wetness. Im even more anal about drums

Hey Sam, where you from in NZ? Massive up the kiwi dnb big

Hi Mikael. Hope you had a nice weekend!

Reliable service but pricey: 40 an 1/8th, 70 for a 7, and each subsequent 1/8th is 25 -> 220 Oz :(

Jack Frost - omg so crystally and amazing taste
Sour Diesel - The robin williams of pot - thick and fruity
Ookie Kabookie - Daaaamn Son, nugz look like ET's finger after a good smeg-picking
Glen Garry Gold - like Jack Frost but with more zing
Sensi Star - like Glen Garry Gold but with more zang
Puke - prevents what it says on the tin...and more

all HIGHLY recommended

Headcase bass:

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If they treat you like a dipshit, treat them to some catshit. I would empty my cat's litter on their door-step everyday. Employees will be made to clean it up and theyll quit soon enough. Patrons who walk past will notice the stench and start crossing to the other side of the street until, subconsciously, the idea of attending events at Coda wont even enter into their decision making process. I can hook you up with some primo sloppy grade quite cheaply.