Retarded Protestors Targetting F1
| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sun Jun 17, 2012 @ 12:33am |
 Coolness: 145180 | seriously people who can't do math are losers. this never ceases to amaze me, i have a million times more respect for someone who can do a little propositional logic and set theory than all the fucking poli sci students on earth combined.
politics is for people who can't do math... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Count_Bandit replied on Sun Jun 17, 2012 @ 5:37am |
 Coolness: 49140 | Originally Posted By BASDINI
seriously people who can't do math are losers. this never ceases to amaze me, i have a million times more respect for someone who can do a little propositional logic and set theory than all the fucking poli sci students on earth combined. politics is for people who can't do math... I guess almost all athletes and artists, writers, musicians, actors and childrens are loosers and tell me again how much you know about Pol Sci? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Sun Jun 17, 2012 @ 9:29am |
 Coolness: 201205 | Uh I'm an artist and I use math all the time. Algebra is the language of computers. If you don't know algebra then you can't program, or even script, properly. Lot of times I use at least some kind of math in sound, video, and design work.
They don't take teaching math / science seriously enough in primary and secondary school. Don't laugh about algebra, it's serious stuff. Nobody should brag about being bad at math. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X replied on Sun Jun 17, 2012 @ 11:06am |
 Coolness: 121615 | Originally Posted By DRTAKO
If you guys want to save the world, study engineering and the sciences. When it comes down to it, clean energy and more efficient cars come out of the science world, not from people complaining on the internet. Yeah but if they can't study because is too expensive? Were fucked |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» GKiLLAZ replied on Sun Jun 17, 2012 @ 7:14pm |
 Coolness: 54770 | Originally Posted By M-A-X
Yeah but if they can't study because is too expensive? Were fucked Nothing is that expensive when you really want ;-) Some buy iPhone, some buy cars, some go clubbing, some take drugs, some go cuba... maybe all can afford school... If not, we should help who don't buy anything "extra" in their life. |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Sun Jun 17, 2012 @ 7:51pm |
 Coolness: 166525 | Originally Posted By GKILLAZ
Nothing is that expensive when you really want ;-) Some buy iPhone, some buy cars, some go clubbing, some take drugs, some go cuba... maybe all can afford school... If not, we should help who don't buy anything "extra" in their life. Right. Poor people should only buy food, housing, and education. If your poor, you can't invest in entertainment and technology - you must absolutely live like a bored cave-man. o_O How do you expect people to have positive schooling experience without a computer, or without taking a break from their studies to hit a club or go to a show? Plus, if non-rich people didn't invest in those ''extras'' then your precious capitalist economic system would collapse. If no one who was in school and between the ages of 18 and 25 bought an iProduct, Apple would go bankrupt. (Not insulting your intelligence, just sayin': think about it ;) ) As for math, yes it is definitely very important. Everything around you is built/created with the principles of math and science. Even animals do math naturally; a bird knows how many eggs it has (to protect), a spider's web is a complex design for an insect, predators know how many of a herd they can eat to allow continued propagation of their food source, etc ... Anyway, whatever ... I can't believe we're still having this conversation :P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» GKiLLAZ replied on Sun Jun 17, 2012 @ 10:48pm |
| Coolness: 54770 | Originally Posted By NATHAN
Right. Poor people should only buy food, housing, and education. If your poor, you can't invest in entertainment and technology - you must absolutely live like a bored cave-man. o_O How do you expect people to have positive schooling experience without a computer, or without taking a break from their studies to hit a club or go to a show? Plus, if non-rich people didn't invest in those ''extras'' then your precious capitalist economic system would collapse. If no one who was in school and between the ages of 18 and 25 bought an iProduct, Apple would go bankrupt. (Not insulting your intelligence, just sayin': think about it ;) ) I did start my Cegep at 16. I wasn't expecting anyone to pay anything for me. I did pay every books, lunchs, courses, all the extra that I want AND the stupid taxes for the failed course WITH my own side jobs... That's what I meen, a student who want's something should be able to do it by himself, not asking everyone to pay for. If he's lucky enough to go in CUBA and/or to get a nice Cell phone with a 100$/montly bill, no problem but the same person shouldn't ask ANYONE to pay for him. I don't ask anyone to pay me a car if I need one because my job is 2h45 each way in bus... And it take about 40 minutes with a car... |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Mon Jun 18, 2012 @ 1:19pm |
| Coolness: 166525 | Originally Posted By GKILLAZ
I did start my Cegep at 16. I wasn't expecting anyone to pay anything for me. I did pay every books, lunchs, courses, all the extra that I want AND the stupid taxes for the failed course WITH my own side jobs... That's what I meen, a student who want's something should be able to do it by himself, not asking everyone to pay for. If he's lucky enough to go in CUBA and/or to get a nice Cell phone with a 100$/montly bill, no problem but the same person shouldn't ask ANYONE to pay for him. I don't ask anyone to pay me a car if I need one because my job is 2h45 each way in bus... And it take about 40 minutes with a car... Of course ... but I don't see the student as asking for money, I see it as them asking to NOT pay more money than they've been paying. If you say it was rough for you, imagine if you had to fork over another few hundred a year, would be that much tighter, that much harder to make ends meet. Plus Cegep is also alot cheaper than university. If you're equating lower tuition with tax-payers 'paying more' into the school system, then that means we're all paying for the F1 too ($75 million), the boss of which refuses to pay taxes himself. I think that's a whole lot worse than using the tax dollars I and others inject into the system for education. So what's worse, paying for a bunch of kids' education (and their cell phones too by your logic) ... or paying for some ultra-rich whiny bitch's car-circus? At least when the students graduate most of them will become educated citizens/tax-payers with decent jobs; helpful jobs. I can't say the same for Ecclestone and his flash-in-the-pan tourist attraction. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BonusBeats replied on Mon Jun 18, 2012 @ 2:54pm |
 Coolness: 30820 | Nicely wrapped. I wouldn't change a word |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» GKiLLAZ replied on Mon Jun 18, 2012 @ 3:25pm |
| Coolness: 54770 | Originally Posted By NATHAN
Of course ... but I don't see the student as asking for money, I see it as them asking to NOT pay more money than they've been paying. If you say it was rough for you, imagine if you had to fork over another few hundred a year, would be that much tighter, that much harder to make ends meet. Plus Cegep is also alot cheaper than university. If you're equating lower tuition with tax-payers 'paying more' into the school system, then that means we're all paying for the F1 too ($75 million), the boss of which refuses to pay taxes himself. I think that's a whole lot worse than using the tax dollars I and others inject into the system for education. So what's worse, paying for a bunch of kids' education (and their cell phones too by your logic) ... or paying for some ultra-rich whiny bitch's car-circus? At least when the students graduate most of them will become educated citizens/tax-payers with decent jobs; helpful jobs. I can't say the same for Ecclestone and his flash-in-the-pan tourist attraction. 1st of all, stop complaning about the fact that Ecclestone won't pay any taxes The guy told directly he won't pay but the deals he made in every country that he pay the taxes, he get the extra money to keep the same target. So who care of paying him 15 millions instead of paying him 22 millions then he pay the taxes... It's a no sens, that make just a "cute show". For the student, I pay a lot for the course that I failed, more then 800$. It was MY trouble, I deal with it. And for the fact that those educated citizens will come tax-payers, let me ask you a question, how many of those will left our "province" and maybe our country for somewhere else to get a better pay check ? How many of those will have a lot more money then they need to pay the extra 1000$ 2000$ the 1st year they will work ? Another thing, why should my taxes pay all the buddies that goes to "le conservatoire" or any music or "artist stuffs"... to lern stuff that make no sens for me... a waste of money ? How many students have a certificate or diploma for "letter","arts" or other thing they don't need to be an artist... Most of the nice DJ over here don't need anything to be good for their arts, THEY'RE GOOD ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Max_x2 replied on Mon Jun 18, 2012 @ 3:56pm |
 Coolness: 33880 | Aussi, le Grand Prix génère 70-90 millions en retombées par année. Donc environ 400 millions sur 5 ans. Moins les 75 millions de subvention (tjrs sur 5 ans)... Bin y reste encore 325 millions weeeeeeee! =) Pi sur les 325 millions qui reste, y doit en partir... Mettons, 75 millions? Donc à la limite, c'est pas payant pour le gouvernement, mais c'est bon pour les commerçants =) |
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| Good [+3]Toggle ReplyLink» BonusBeats replied on Mon Jun 18, 2012 @ 4:47pm |
| Coolness: 30820 | Es-tu en train de me dire que socialement on devrait investir dans le Grand Prix au lieu de l'éducation, par le plus grand des hasards?
And I would like to point out that yes, people might get money to go to Le Conservatoire with your taxes, that's the whole point of society. You can always leave for a place that suits your values more, like the US, where you can pay big time everytime you catch a sniffle, by the way. I prefer a society where I can study letters if I want and keep the cost of knowledge as low as possible for everyone without every taxpayer having a veto on what studies are ''good'' and ''bad''. Do you think Le Conservatoire is useless, music is useless, art is useless, human sciences are useless, letters are useless and so on? Let's have everyone do a technical job and let's bring Bernie and his vrooom vrooomies around to make the population happy (and the merchant class richer)? Who cares about the Antiquity, philosophy, history and literature anyway! Vroom! Vrooooom! No way you're telling me that. That's stupid. And don't tell me that only the super rich should study letters because they can afford studying in a branch without super high work perpectives. It's knowledge we're talking about here. For example, everyone will agree that with the aging population the field of activity with the highest career prospects in the coming years is everything health-related. Should we abandon every ''human science'' program to put the emphasis on that sector because ''studies must be connected to a job'' in order to be socially rewarding? I don't think so, and I think putting money in education is more important than ever to face tomorrow's challenges. Not go backwards to a user-payer system. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Max_x2 replied on Mon Jun 18, 2012 @ 5:21pm |
| Coolness: 33880 | Tout ce que j'ai dit, c'est que c'tait rentable quand même, la F1. Besides... J'serais curieux de savoir combien d'étudiants sont engagés on et off site pour la fds. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BonusBeats replied on Mon Jun 18, 2012 @ 5:27pm |
| Coolness: 30820 | En fait, le gros de ma réponse était pour le message avant le tien.
Je ne dispute pas le fait que les propriétaires du Buona Notte font beaucoup, beaucoup d'argent avec la F1 et ce n'est pas un mal en soi, c'est sûr. Le débat ne devrait pas être sur le terrain ''est-ce que la F1 est rentable ou non?'' parce que oui, elle est rentable et ça ne change rien au débat en cours. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» GKiLLAZ replied on Mon Jun 18, 2012 @ 5:40pm |
| Coolness: 54770 | Mon débat ne part pas sur le fait que l'art en général est inutile mais je ne vois pas la nécessité d'avoir des cours comme ils le sont en se moment.
On paie des cours au conservatoire, on paie des courts de lettre et autre, tout ca AUCUNE utilité pour la majorité des VRAIs artiste... JE suis pourri en arts et tu auras beau me faire suivre ces courts là, j'aurais pas la musique, le dessin, le chant ou encore les lettres dans le sang pour autant. Et je ne dis pas de tout banir, je dis simplement qu'il faudrait révisé le tout pour ce que ca soit RÉELLEMENT utile. ( Et je ne parle pas d'investir dans un star épidémie ou niaiserie du genre ;) ) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BonusBeats replied on Mon Jun 18, 2012 @ 5:44pm |
| Coolness: 30820 | Je suis d'accord avec ça. C'est vrai que la forme du système devrait avoir droit à un bon dégraissage et je ne t'ostinerai sûrement pas là-dessus :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» GKiLLAZ replied on Mon Jun 18, 2012 @ 5:48pm |
| Coolness: 54770 | Originally Posted By BONUSBEATS
Je suis d'accord avec ça. C'est vrai que la forme du système devrait avoir droit à un bon dégraissage et je ne t'ostinerai sûrement pas là-dessus :) Comme je disais, je questionne "la facon" surtout car, enseigner l'art spas avec un court comme il se donne qu'on va "former" des "artistes" Il faut donné des ressources aux artistes pour qu'ils produisent ce dont ils sont capable... Et j'espère que tous les moyens mis peu importe dans quoi, ne se fera pas au dépend de notre survie |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Tue Jun 19, 2012 @ 12:25am |
 Coolness: 91370 | Originally Posted By GKILLAZ
Comme je disais, je questionne "la facon" surtout car, enseigner l'art spas avec un court comme il se donne qu'on va "former" des "artistes" Il faut donné des ressources aux artistes pour qu'ils produisent ce dont ils sont capable... Et j'espère que tous les moyens mis peu importe dans quoi, ne se fera pas au dépend de notre survie [...] How many of those will have a lot more money then they need to pay the extra 1000$ 2000$ the 1st year they will work ? Another thing, why should my taxes pay all the buddies that goes to "le conservatoire" or any music or "artist stuffs"... to lern stuff that make no sens for me... a waste of money ? How many students have a certificate or diploma for "letter","arts" or other thing they don't need to be an artist... Most of the nice DJ over here don't need anything to be good for their arts, THEY'RE GOOD ! [...] On paie des cours au conservatoire, on paie des courts de lettre et autre, tout ca AUCUNE utilité pour la majorité des VRAIs artiste... So many fallacies, it hurts. Bon tu l'as mentionné toi-même que tu parles à travers ton chapeau en ce qui concerne les arts, mais juste pour clarifier un peu la situation, un cours d'arts sert plutôt à développer l'aspect technique de ce dernier. Être un "vrai artiste" c'est pas juste "avoir ça dans le sang" comme tu as mentionné plutôt. Un artiste qui se respecte doit travailler rigoureusement son art ET sa technique afin de pouvoir partager sa vision, son concept, son idée, etc le plus fidèlement possible peu importe le niveau d'habileté demandé pour actualiser la vision de base. Oui le talent est relatif, certains en ont plus que d'autres, certains doivent travailler plus fort que d'autres pour leur résultats, c'est comme ça dans tout, anyways. Je ne suis pas d'accord avec le fait de ne subventionner que les artistes de formation mais je suis encore plus contre le fait de subventionner n'importe quel hipsters opportunistes et sans talent qui ne font ce qui font pour la "free ride" sur le dos des subventions. Si on continue sur ta lançée, on pourrait dire que vu que l'histoire "doens't make sense to me", it's a waste of money to teach it? Donc admettons qu'un passionné d'histoire qui en a fait d'hautes études, es-tu en train de minimiser son parcours académique parce qu'ils lis plein de livres sur le sujet en dehors de l'école, so ya pas besoin de ça pour être historien. Anyways, je vais arrêter d'me casser la tête en pensant au sort d'un bien collectif qu'on est en train de dropper en tant que société quand ya des gros chars qui gnnnneuh sur une piste de course. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» GKiLLAZ replied on Tue Jun 19, 2012 @ 8:44am |
| Coolness: 54770 | SourUltraFast
Je comprends en parti ce que tu veux mais j'ai vu beaucoup de cours, car j'ai beau pas m'intéressé aux arts tant que ca, j'ai regarder les programmes et j'ai connu des gens qui suivaient ces cours. Je suis pas là pour dire que TOUS les cours sont mauvais mais qu'il y en a une bonne parti qui sert à RIEN pour un vrai artiste. (tant qu'à ca dans tous les domaines d'études...) Pour subventionné la musique faut pas trop charié mais il est vrai que certains musiciens mérite de l'aide. Pour la course, pour finir sur une note endurable pour tous, j'ai pas demandé que notre société paye l'entièreté de ceci mais qu'elle l'appui si cela ne nous nuis pas trop et que ca rapporte à la collectivité. |
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| Good [+4]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Tue Jun 19, 2012 @ 4:28pm |
| Coolness: 166525 | WTF!? So, art is useless, but cars driving in a circle for the entertainment of a few, is perfectly NOT useless??
I'm real sorry, but I think that ART in all its forms is alot more useful to society than a fuckin' car race. Art can teach, entertain, make you think, pass messages, and it interests millions and millions of people -- I guarantee you that cinema, music, paintings, sculptures, etc. reach a fan-base/audience that puts car racing to shame. Not to mention the diversity of its fan-base (and of curse the fact that it's a much bigger business) ... Sure, the GP/F1 brings in a lot of money, but only for certain businesses! All sorts of our tax dollars go to a bunch of people who can otherwise afford it, as incentive 'cause they're greedy pricks who expect all the countries to basically bribe them to host their event. If you say that it generates 400 million (not that I really believe that number) then if 15% of that is got back in taxes, then it's still less than the 75 million WE invested. Great for merchants? Who gives a fuck! WE as a society lose 15 million on the deal, and that's just really bad business. So, it's great for Hotels, and all the business in a 6 block radius of the 'festival' -- places that are already in a money-making sector of our city ... wow. I'm not at all impressed! There are about a thousand different ways of attracting tourists, I would ask that the City used its imagination instead of just going with this greedy prick's car-fest of waste and douche jockery. Sick of hearing that Ecclestone doesn't wanna pay taxes?? But you don't agree that poor-ass students should pay less for education? You complain about students buying iPods, but don't care about the fact that Bernie needs 75 million of our dollars despite owning massive houses, probably hundreds of cars and fuckin' boats or some shit AND a billion dollar business ... that's a double-standard and it makes no sense! Everything else was already pointed out smartly by SourUltraFast and BonusBeats. Again, I'm sorry GKillaz and Max_X2, but I really don't get people like you. I really honestly don't understand the conflicting basis for your judgments, and your arguments seem like a simplistic reflection of the un-researched un-founded public opinion. You've obviously bought into the system and are happy with it, so there's no discussing with such stubborn persons who consider arts and the social-sciences as being completely useless. I dare you to imagine a world without these things. Would you really want to live as though the whole world was an even worse version of Ottawa? Anyway, all that said, I'm outta this convo .., since it's two neo-liberalists arguing with a bunch of like-minded artists and socially-responsible individuals. Enjoy your drab gray world and your convoluted life. |
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