Deadmaus Punched Out By A Dj
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Thu Sep 15, 2011 @ 1:30am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Fri Sep 16, 2011 @ 3:35pm |
 Coolness: 166535 | First, Fifth Element was awesome ;) and I'd've played 1 Hip tune and 1 Johnny cash tune for Mr. Willis. If it was Wesley Willis, then I'd've given hima mic and played whatever-the-fuck he wanted :p
Being a Jukebox Dj is terribly easy, but you still need to work at it, getting all the hit songs and such, making sure you drop the right tracks at the right time, etc. So you can't dance to Turntablists, so what, you can't dance to ambient either, doesn't make the style any less viable ... Originally Posted By RAWALI
and yeah, either switch it up before it gets boring or blend tunes and mix the fuck out of em... Don't worry 'bout it Wally, the guy plays trance, he doesn't know shit about playing a tune for less than 7 minutes :p So, punching people for whining about your set is uncalled for, though a big fantasy of many DJs, I'm sure ... ... and getting criticized is probably the hardest part of DJing, so that's probably why alot of ppl work hard to perfect their skills - that and wanting to have some sort of dignity and self-respect. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Fri Sep 16, 2011 @ 4:28pm |
 Coolness: 158760 | Well, since Nathan said something, I think I'll go ahead and say something:
I'm not a DJ, but IMHO, there's a difference in being booked at an event with defined styles of music and being booked as a DJ in an hotel lounge. Guests in the latter didn't come to listen to you specifically, and you kinda have to cater to that  |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Fri Sep 16, 2011 @ 6:30pm |
| Coolness: 129710 | Well everyone else seemed to have a great time except for Mr Willis ;) I'm also pretty sure NO ONE ELSE wanted to hear some country.
As for your differentition in the gigs, I disgree, a dj is a dj. No one call tell a dj what to play, its the law, dosent matter where you work. Customers have no say over what gets played in a private establishment. Of course everyone bends the rules and takes requests to make a person happy, get laid, suck up to a celebrity, to keep a gig, sell out for more money...thats cool I understand that, but there isnt much integrity in that either. I recently saw a local hardcore dj get dissed pretty heavily in the Mirror for playing crap that obviously "requested" No thank you, I dont need to be reading the next day about how I managed to sync Hank Williams into Bon Jovi. Saying no to requests is a perfectly acceptable way of working, most people WILL respect that and will let you do what you get paid to do. For sure there will always be someone who dosen't like what you play no matter what you play and thats fine too. You cant please everyone If they told me ahead of time in an email "Hello Dj, Bruce Willis will be there to request some country for you to play" Then I would have said "well Im not a country dj so thank you, but I will no able to do this event" Update » Blisss wrote on Fri Sep 16, 2011 @ 7:12pm Weddings are pretty much the only exception. If you Masa said "hey Bliss, I'd like you to play my wedding" Then I'd say "Ok cool, thats $500.00, I play for a maximum of 6 hours, any extra hour is $100.00 and you set up the soundsystem" Then you'd say "That sounds fair, now for the music, I dont want any drum n bass or any metal because its all ages, my wife loves funk and 80s, hates hip hop & country" Then I'd say "No problem, I love playing funk and I have a wicked 80s collection" Then you'd say "Awesome dude & please no Black Eyed Peas and a Frank Sinitra song if you can" Then I'd say "Sure no problem man". Then I show up rock your party, refuse requests for country and Black Eyed Peas and everybodys happy :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Fri Sep 16, 2011 @ 7:16pm |
| Coolness: 158760 | What law?
Is there some kinda federation of disk jockeys with a charter and associated by-laws I wasn't made aware of? You mean I could get arrested for asking a DJ to play a tune?  Update » Masa wrote on Fri Sep 16, 2011 @ 7:22pm Don't worry about that, Blisss, I will never ask you to play at my wedding.
Nor do I annoy DJs with special requests. When I go out to a specific event, it's usually because I wanna hear the DJs and/or type of music associated with the event. Hotel lounges and such, I guess, might not be that different. Though I can simply choose not to drink there if I don't like what's playing. But I'm guessing (and that's only a guess) that these kinds of DJs are usually more open to requests. At the risk of starting another flamewar, I'll still say this: you, sir, epitomizes the inflated-ego-toting-superstar-DJ stigma that's floating out there. And it's precisely why I avoid your gigs. No amount of beatmatching-and-vinyl-pushing skills will ever make me appreciate you as a human being. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead replied on Fri Sep 16, 2011 @ 7:24pm |
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I have no problem with the guy being successful, good on him for that, I take issue with the way he acted towards the dj at the after party. Years back I got hired at the W Hotel by some dude who used to hang out at Blizzarts. Anyhow I show and start playing my electro and who comes up and starts harrassing me, fucking BRUCE WILLIS. Now no doubt that guy is more successful than I am, but he really got on my nerves requesting COUNTRY MUSIC and slamming my selection. So I told him "Look Bruce I dont go tell you how to act in your movies, so dont tell me how to do my job, who requests country anyway?" Needless to say I got fired hehehe...but you get the point. Just cause you're famous dosent give you a licence to be a cunt. it's a shame Mr. Oizo hadn't released that Bruce Willis Is Dead track yet... that would have been hilarious... ...as would have been dropping the 12" mix of Willis' own Respect Yourself... (I actually have a sealed copy of an album by Bruce Willis - it's in the "purchased to prevent it from ever being played" section of the archives) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Fri Sep 16, 2011 @ 8:16pm |
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it's in the "purchased to prevent it from ever being played" section of the archives) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead replied on Fri Sep 16, 2011 @ 8:53pm |
| Coolness: 75660 | Originally Posted By DYNV
it's even funnier when conversations arise with other DJs... not so often anymore - 'cause in the filesharing era of instant gratification people don't need records anymore... but... back in the day when I found sought after shit during my digs... things like this happened... crappy DJ: you spend a lot of time in record shops... ever see a copy of French Kiss by L'il Louis? me: pulled one of the dollar bins yesterday... crappy DJ: WHAT?!?!? I'll give you $20 for it... me: no. crappy DJ: Why not? You probably won't even play it!!! me: of course I won't. crappy DJ: Then SELL IT TO ME??? me: no. crappy DJ: WHY NOT? me: because I won't play it... and you will... and then I might have to hear it... and I like not having to hear it. crappy DJ: You're an ASSHOLE!! (pretty much verbatim) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Fri Sep 16, 2011 @ 10:06pm |
| Coolness: 129710 | Hahaha...very true
I think the funniest encounter I've had with a dj was when I used to play at Passeport. This guy used to come to me with $20.00 bills and ask me for the names of songs. So I'd be like "cool man, that ones Orbital, that ones Meat beat Manifesto, so on and so forth" I mean to be honest I would have done it for free because I do really enjoy it when people come up and ask whats playing, but this guy insisted on giving me cash, so I couldnt say no So anyhow a few weeks later I'm walking by the Dogue and I hear this Orbital track I'd been playing a lot and its Dj "Mr $20.00 Bill" playing. The guy was basically playing all these tunes I'd be playing for the last 3 months even trying to mix the same ones together as I do. Since then I've been afflicted by this "inflated-ego-toting-superstar-DJ stigma" and a guy called Masa avoids my gigs |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Niji replied on Fri Sep 16, 2011 @ 10:07pm |
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Since then I've been afflicted by this "inflated-ego-toting-superstar-DJ stigma" and a guy called Masa avoids my gigs haha |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Fri Sep 16, 2011 @ 10:31pm |
| Coolness: 158760 | Whatever helps you get through the day, superstar |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Sat Sep 17, 2011 @ 11:34pm |
| Coolness: 166535 | Originally Posted By FISHEAD
( ... the "purchased to prevent it from ever being played" section of the archives) Hahaha! xD awesome Originally Posted By blisss
I'm also pretty sure NO ONE ELSE wanted to hear some country.
In a Rave setting, requests are a definite no-no, but in a bar setting I don't necessarily take requests but I will take suggestions (depending on many factors), like styles or bands - but with my better judgement. Ask me for Beyoncé in a Metal night and I'll kindly decline, and/or laugh at you. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Sun Sep 18, 2011 @ 1:32am |
| Coolness: 108795 | Originally Posted By ZOMBIENATHAN
Ask me for Beyoncé in a Metal night and I'll kindly decline, and/or laugh at you. s/Beyoncé/pop/ |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sun Sep 18, 2011 @ 7:18am |
| Coolness: 129710 | Originally Posted By MASA
What law? Is there some kinda federation of disk jockeys with a charter and associated by-laws I wasn't made aware of? You mean I could get arrested for asking a DJ to play a tune?
There are laws pertaining to the diffusion of music on a private premise. Most of the laws protecting djs came into effect during the "payola" days where the mafia would bribe or threaten djs into giving preference to certain songs. You probably wont get arrested for making a request, unless you assault the dj or something, just remember a dj dosent HAVE TO play a request just because you make one. It is actually extremely important that djs are given complete freedom to pick and choose what they play. Thats what djing what originally about, guys who went out and spent a shit load of time finding and selecting tunes for the audience. Part of the importance of this process is that the dj is the guy that will help you discover music that is not the latest hit playing on the radio. Thats how underground artists eventually get known. Because the djs would push their music, audiences would discover it, and the cycle of music self perpetuates. Now for the big corporations that control what you hear and listen too, that is too say radio stations that are owned by the corporation that also owns the TV networks that also owns the news papers, they would much rather that every dj play the latest Lady Gaga record. Remember they only make money off music they own They dont like the independence the dj has, so they have slowly fed people this idea that a dj should do what the people tell him to do. Now if the people are only exposed to 5 or 6 manufactured pop artists on the radio, what else are they going to ask for? yup Lady Gaga, Kate Perry, Black Eyed Peas, Pitbull etc... Thats the genius of commercial radio, you offer a low quality manufactured souless product you control, only play that product by forcing radio and club djs to play it non stop, make sure no other music that you dont control gets played and you have the perfect brainwashed consumer who will ask for those artists because they dont know any others. So next time you think a dj is being a pompous asshole for not playing requests, remember it really has nothing to do with that, its about maintaining your independence and being able to say "You know what I do think this latest track by Dj Na is better than the latest Lady Gaga, and yes I do think you should check this guys music out, so yes Im gonna play it instead of something I dont think is very good" Hope that answers your question |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Sun Sep 18, 2011 @ 12:42pm |
 Coolness: 159110 | Originally Posted By BLISSS
So next time you think a dj is being a pompous asshole for not playing requests, remember it really has nothing to do with that, its about maintaining your independence and being able to say "You know what I do think this latest track by Dj Na is better than the latest Lady Gaga, and yes I do think you should check this guys music out, so yes Im gonna play it instead of something I dont think is very good" Although maintaining your audience's musical independence is a commendable thing to do, lest we forget that if you have a residency in a local bar or club, some - if not most - patrons can be there to gather with friends after a long and arduous week and/or to get drunk as all Hell. Granted, their venue of choice can be based on musical preference but it may not be the primary reason for hanging out there. It's safe to say people who haunt local bars aren't there for weekly musical enlightenment. At least, a majority of them aren't. And unfortunately, some people will dislike this whole musical enlightenment thing to begin with. Obviously, who cares if they don't but in the end, the bar/club owner isn't hiring you to "musically educate the masses" but to get more people inside the premises and purchase alcoholic beverages. If your music draws more of them in, he or she is happy. If your "enlightened" musical selection displeases the patrons, the owner won't give a shit about your mission and will have to dumb it down to get paid or to retain your residency. But if your musical virtues are welcomed by the patrons, well, enjoy it while it lasts I suppose. :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Sun Sep 18, 2011 @ 12:49pm |
| Coolness: 158760 | T'was a rhetorical one, but thanks for the lecture on modern marketing and pop culture |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sun Sep 18, 2011 @ 2:26pm |
| Coolness: 129710 | I agree with you Version 100%. Thats why djing is not as easy as it looks at all.
Of course the owner wants to sell booze, but to be honest I as a person dont give two shits about how much booze the bar sells. I dont work for an alcohol company. When an owner comes and crys about how he didnt sell another beer, yeah I pretend to be concerned, but in my head I dont really care. Remember when the day comes when you get fired the owner wont be too concerned about how you pay the bills ;) Second, of course patrons are king, if you have no patrons there you have no job. But the idea that the solution to everything is to revert to a mainstream pop format to save the day is bogus. The first thing I do whenever I start at a bar is lay down the ground rules (in my head). I never say to the owner "Oh I wont be taking any requests", I just do it. When a person comes up to me I say "No I dont have it, no I dont know what that is". Im not rude about it, I just dont comply. Then I identify the most annoying customers (usuallly regulars who think because they buy a drink, it means Lady Gaga gets played) and I make sure I have nothing to do with them (preferably make sure they never come back). Once the bad apples are out, you have free reign to do what you want. The way to do that is not doing what the odd whiner wants you to do. If someone says "Oh everyone in my group would dance if you played "I gotta feeling"... well no thats not true. I know a lot of people who would not dance to "I gotta feeling", so no it dosent get played At the end of the day if you play GOOD music (like you're supposed too) the majority of the people will follow. The important thing is too completely ignore the people who complain or want to dictate what you do. Thats why I never leave a bar feeling bitter. If one place fires me, I just move to the next one with my integrity intact and start again :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB replied on Sun Sep 18, 2011 @ 6:56pm |
 Coolness: 103325 | Originally Posted By BLISSS
I agree with you Version 100%. Thats why djing is not as easy as it looks at all. Of course the owner wants to sell booze, but to be honest I as a person dont give two shits about how much booze the bar sells. I dont work for an alcohol company. When an owner comes and crys about how he didnt sell another beer, yeah I pretend to be concerned, but in my head I dont really care. Remember when the day comes when you get fired the owner wont be too concerned about how you pay the bills ;) Second, of course patrons are king, if you have no patrons there you have no job. But the idea that the solution to everything is to revert to a mainstream pop format to save the day is bogus. The first thing I do whenever I start at a bar is lay down the ground rules (in my head). I never say to the owner "Oh I wont be taking any requests", I just do it. When a person comes up to me I say "No I dont have it, no I dont know what that is". Im not rude about it, I just dont comply. Then I identify the most annoying customers (usuallly regulars who think because they buy a drink, it means Lady Gaga gets played) and I make sure I have nothing to do with them (preferably make sure they never come back). Once the bad apples are out, you have free reign to do what you want. The way to do that is not doing what the odd whiner wants you to do. If someone says "Oh everyone in my group would dance if you played "I gotta feeling"... well no thats not true. I know a lot of people who would not dance to "I gotta feeling", so no it dosent get played At the end of the day if you play GOOD music (like you're supposed too) the majority of the people will follow. The important thing is too completely ignore the people who complain or want to dictate what you do. Thats why I never leave a bar feeling bitter. If one place fires me, I just move to the next one with my integrity intact and start again :) ohh geeeee sounds like being a dj is hard. loser. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sun Sep 18, 2011 @ 7:02pm |
| Coolness: 129710 | Well technically you wouldnt know, you're not a dj |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB replied on Mon Sep 19, 2011 @ 12:09am |
| Coolness: 103325 | I'v been a dj since i was 16.... Update » FRANKB wrote on Mon Sep 19, 2011 @ 12:13am During his 20 years as a Dj, Bliss has also traveled and played all over the world, notably the U.S., Africa, Israel, France and the UK.
funny...during my first 3 years i spun in mexico and the states Update » FRANKB wrote on Mon Sep 19, 2011 @ 12:16am difference between you and me is when i started i wasn't bringing my cdj's every gig to let the promoter use in exchange for my spot to mix.
who knows what my status would be if i still cared and actualy liked this scene. I started when i was a kid and grew the fuck up Update » FRANKB wrote on Mon Sep 19, 2011 @ 12:18am ur still doing it and ur like 35 lol and ur not really anywhere, i had never heard of you until u and host1 were bitch slapping eachother on [ rave.ca ] ur popular a lil bit in montreal thats about it buddy. and having a name in one city after 20 years of dj;ing is really just an outcome of any situation similiar. |
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