R.i.p Osama Bin Laden - World Hide And Go Seek Champion (2001 - 2011)
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sat May 14, 2011 @ 9:45am |
 Coolness: 145175 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
My daily routine gets marred on a regular basis by news of soldiers killing family's in third world It was said that cnn helped end the Vietnam war by showing the peoples what war really was: lots and lots of peoples killing each other. you know this totally true and i agree with you except the fact that CNN didn't exist during the vietnam war... but why let facts get in the way, you are after all a leftist... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Sat May 14, 2011 @ 12:07pm |
 Coolness: 158745 | I think he meant CBS. Geez, lighten up. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil replied on Sat May 14, 2011 @ 4:13pm |
 Coolness: 86480 | Originally Posted By M-A-X
From the realities I saw on the ground, it's much more than that. We're making hundreds of development projects like building schools, clinics(sadly, only fews), wells, irragation projects, helping with agriculture, ect and also gouvernance and security projects(building a police station to increase the security of a village). ... Right now we working really really hard, thinking, improvising to keep these projects open. I know im doing the right thing and all this work is not futile, because when I talk to the villagers during patrols, they want schools, getting an education for their kids making their lifes better. well that's commendable. people need help. but people need help all over the world. why are you specifically there, meddling? bottom line is, you guys are in a very foreign country that was illegally invaded. you're there because the Americans and the Brits leaned on Canada to help occupy the country. you're not there as peacekeepers. you're there to kick ass... in unfamiliar terrain, far from home. read what Sun Tzu had to say about that in the Art Of War. Originally Posted By M-A-X
Dont forget that this is a guerilla type war, you need to win the hearths and minds of the population in order to win. fighting villagers and afghan tribemen wont make any goods, on the contrary. I'm well aware it's a guerrilla war. And that's the problem. You wanna win “hearts and minds” but the people you're fighting are mixed in with the general population. Eventually the troops get tired of fighting shadows, and they begin to view the civilians and the guerrillas as one and the same. Which they often are. Next thing you know the soldiers start abusing the very same people they are allegedly there to protect.. detaining them, beating them, torturing them, killing them in “friendly fire” incidents. So guess what. Those civilians want revenge for what you did to their family, so they become guerrillas too. And the military doesn't even bother to differentiate between freedom fighters and the real bad guys. they just call em all “Taliban” or "insurgents", and bomb the shit out of everyone. Problem for you is, they've been guerrillas and bandits in that land for so long, they know the terrain like the back of their hand. and you need help to fight them, so you hire locals as scouts. only little do you know, those locals are actually spying on you for the guerrillas.. tipping them off. so they escape your raids, and get intelligence on your movements. now it's their turn to hit back, so they launch hit and run attacks while you sleep, and maim your comrades with booby traps. so now you want payback. but since you can't find the enemy, you take it out on the locals. it's a pattern that's been repeated in "counter-insurgencies" all over the world. starts out as "hearts and minds" but quickly spirals into human rights abuses and war crimes. Originally Posted By M-A-X
So all this will(we hope) make the country more stable and increase the level of life of the population, wich was very low during the taliban reign. you know what else was very low during the Taliban reign... opium production! Wow. Interesting now that NATO is occupying the country, it's pumping out more Opium than ever. How does that work, exactly? Are you fighting insurgents or Opium Lords? are these Opium Warlords friends or enemies with NATO? Both? That's quite a moral quandary. and tactically, it's a recipe for disaster. Gee. Maybe it was a bad idea to get involved in this can of worms.. but whatever the Americans want though, right? I mean, after all.. 9/11. nuff said. Originally Posted By M-A-X
But that is not always successfull, some elders are working with the taliban, playing a game with us. Other times, the afghan minister of education is not motivated to pay a proper salary to the teachers...making them quit the job. They're tired of this, it's been 40 years of war non-stop for them. well ya it's had a long history of foreign powers messing with them and occupying them.. The Moghuls, the British, the Russians, and now, an American/British alliance which Canada has very stupidly joined. They'll eventually get sent packing too. These guys are tough as nails and are masters of guerilla warfare. You'll never beat them. Never. nor it it your business to do so. They're on their own soil. You have no moral right to be there, and they've got nothing to lose. What would you do if an alliance of Iraqis and Afghan soldiers bombed and occupied Quebec? you clearly haven't read much about the history of Afghanistan. Read up on “The Great Game” - this was the struggle between the British and Russian empires to control the region. -> [ afghanland.com ] Originally Posted By M-A-X
Wait, maybe I should stop that and call artillery on villages. Yeah! Why not spice up these numbers a little bit? umm.. what? Originally Posted By M-A-X
Yes, it's war. It's ugly, people suffer. what's ugly is, you think that people have to suffer in these stupid American wars. Originally Posted By M-A-X
Exept reading these statistics, are you doing something about it? well joining the army and being a puppet of the American military isn't gonna solve the world's problems. Gandhi and Siddartha Gautama saw the same strife and suffering that you see in the world today.. but they didn't try and end human misery with military solutions. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sat May 14, 2011 @ 7:03pm |
 Coolness: 106090 | Originally Posted By MASA
I think he meant CBS. Geez, lighten up. I actually meant cnn, but was confusing the "cnn effect" with the enhanced media coverage during the Vietnam war. My bad Cnn effect: [ en.wikipedia.org ] Originally Posted By basdini
but why let facts get in the way, you are after all a leftist... Jeez, It's like the right wing version of the Godwin law. If a thread goes on long enough, Basdini is sure to call you a leftist. At least I can admit when I'm wrong, unlike most right-wing proponents, who will ram their pseudo-scientific views of politics and economic management down your throat and call you a communist/leftist/socialist/hippie for disagreeing. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sat May 14, 2011 @ 10:06pm |
| Coolness: 145175 | i was just fucking with you databoy :)
i do however believe that for those on the left facts no longer matter... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Sat May 14, 2011 @ 10:13pm |
 Coolness: 166520 | Originally Posted By BASDINI
i was just fucking with you databoy :) i do however believe that for those on the left facts no longer matter... what facts? I don't think anyone really knows anything about anything anymore. But I guess only the liars know the truth ... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Sat May 14, 2011 @ 11:54pm |
 Coolness: 93470 | Does this clip make you think of Alienzed too?
lol...business hippie |
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