Originally Posted By DZZZ

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Al Qaeda confirms his death, lets see how far Alex Jones will go to make his theory on how he died in 2001 seem valid..

Originally Posted By ALIENZED

pain is all in your mind, if someone has information that can lead to saving 'innocents', torture away!

Originally Posted By ALIENZED

Say there's a bomb in your child's school and one man knows where it is and how to disarm it. The doors are rigged to detonate the bomb if anyone tries to leave the school, and the bomb is timed to go off within the next hour. Would you defend that person's human rights and say he cannot be tortured because it violate human rights?
Do all those children and teachers not also have the right to live?
The difference is that the man you might torture for information made his choice, whereas the children and school employees were given no such choice to make.

Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE


yeah maybe our politic powers "created" those extremists by administrating an unfair world with way too lil very rich people and way too much poor..

but it's hard in nyc for people to forget, majority of my friends were traumatized that day. personally i don't even take subway in rush hours to manhattan or hang out much in time square and places like that because i am way too nervous..

and i don't even really look at those yellow/orange/red alerts or mass medias much bc i will flip out.

and peeps can tell me woah you paranoid blablabla but it happened everywhere in europe.. soon a subway will blow or something of that nature will happens :(...

but still the day i'll come face to face with a motherfuckin' extremist who wants to chop chop my head, i'll be happy that a guy like max or a police officer or a firefighter come to my rescue.. anyway.. that doesn't mean i agree with our foreign military policies or even the concept of war culture..

Originally Posted By M-A-X
Of course Betty_haze, I will do 12 000 km if it's needed to save you. No problem.

Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE

some infos leaked on wikileaks were concerning this upcoming "mission" and they had to act faster..

also now "some" have new "great" arguments concerning the enhancing interrogations techniques (torture) and the us ghost jails.. bc governements is now saying that's how they got their tips about the couriers etc.. and eventually leaded them to him and his killing..

it's a big ethical dilemma!

what you guys think??? :

if in the eventuality of an imminent bomb somewhere...in your area let say.. would you torture someone if you were sure that person would give you infos and that would save the life of innocents?

Originally Posted By RECOIL

but sending troops to fight Afghan tribemen and villagers isn't going to make your world safer. maybe I'm missing something. can you explain why you think it would?

Originally Posted By DATABOY

"More than twice as many Americans -- over 6,000 -- have now died in the two wars that followed 9/11 than did in the original attacks, along with more than 100,000 Iraqis and Afghans. Over three million Iraqis and 400,000 Afghans remain displaced. Several hundred thousand U.S. soldiers suffer from long-term war-related injuries and health problems, with more than 200,000 diagnosed with traumatic brain injury alone." [ www.huffingtonpost.com ]

All that for schools, clinics, wells and agriculture?

Seems a little harsh...

For fun, perhaps?
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Yes, it's war. It's ugly, people suffer. Exept reading these statistics, are you doing something about it? Does it change something in your daily routine?

Originally Posted By STRIK_IX

C'est bien beau de vouloir combattre pour les bonne raisons, mais bien des soldats ne semblent pas voir le "big picture".

Originally Posted By STRIK_IX

Aux armes, citoyens!

Formez vos bataillons!

Marchez, marchez !

Qu'un sang impur!

Abreuve nos sillons !

Maybe we should all join the armed forces and "do something about it". Apparently you fail to comprehend his point, which is the fact that lives were lost on 9-11 which is pretty much this war's catalyst.

The end result is an astronomical death toll when compared to what happened then. But hey, who cares when armies can simply destroy a few countries, instate "democracy" and rebuild (by handing out contracts to good friends).

C'est bien beau de vouloir combattre pour les bonne raisons, mais bien des soldats ne semblent pas voir le "big picture".

Originally Posted By MOLOCH

Le machine militaire est faite comme ca. Les protagonistes sur le terrain onts aucune calisse d'idee de ce qu'ils fonts, ils fonts justes le faire.

Inspire magazine’s second issue, published last summer, was all about convincing U.S. Muslims to do whatever they could locally for the jihad. One suggestion: constructing an “ultimate mowing machine” — tricking out a pickup truck by welding “blades” to the grill, to “mow down the enemies of Allah.”

Baroque proposals like that fuel speculation in national security circles that Inspire may be the work of a western security service — a spoof on terrorist propaganda, rather than an authentic vehicle for it. If so, Osama bought it hook, line and three-quarter-ton sinker.

“Bin Laden said this is something he did not endorse. He seems taken aback,” a U.S. counterterrorism official tells ProPublica. “He complains that this tactical proposal promotes indiscriminate slaughter. He says he rejects this and it is not something that reflects what al-Qaida does.”

Originally Posted By M-A-X

Yes, it's war. It's ugly, people suffer. Exept reading these statistics, are you doing something about it? Does it change something in your daily routine?