Children At Festivals......
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Sat Mar 5, 2011 @ 3:12pm |
 Coolness: 509535 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
Not everyone was an irresponsible druggie at open mind. Specially not the peoples with kids. to me I think it's not that some people are sober, it's that most people are high. I can totally see a kid not affected much if the sound isn't blasting, but then that must kind of suck for the parents. I mean, bring your kid camping instead, do something wholesome and stop experimenting with hard drugs when another life depends on you. you never know when you're going to get a bad hit and literally go nuts or 'change' for the worse at an event like that... it's NOT all fun and games you know? So yeah, sure, bring your kids to a festival, but not an electronic music, druggie filled one :\ I have not been to open mind but I'm 95% sure it fits that description. when I was younger, my parents brought me to something called Bread and Puppet. it was a huge hippie style convention thingy, it wasn't overnight and there was always this huge show right before it ended using puppets and such (like, giant ones you needed 4-5 people to manoeuvre. sure people were smoking weed and drinking and probably other things too, but there was no loud music, the drugs were by far not the standard and my parents were totally sober. it was more like going to see the fireworks than going to 'party', and that was awesome... sadly the whole thing got shut down one year after somebody got shot... thinking about it now, how could it NOT have been because of some drug deal gone wrong. When drugs are involved, very very bad people are always lurking nearby. |
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| Bad [-1]Toggle ReplyLink» WhiteLight replied on Sat Mar 5, 2011 @ 3:31pm |
 Coolness: 50355 | When drugs are involved, very very bad people are always lurking nearby.
Maybe you're not hanging around the good people? Haven't seen anything that could have gone wrong at Open Mind. No sketchy people, no one shaking and acting twitchy because of too much stimulants. Mainly people on psychedelic enjoying their festival. Also...I guess that since drugs are that bad, bringing children to events where there is alohol being sold or consumed is also not a good idea? |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Sat Mar 5, 2011 @ 5:12pm |
| Coolness: 509535 | Originally Posted By WHITELIGHT
Also...I guess that since drugs are that bad, bringing children to events where there is alohol being sold or consumed is also not a good idea? Bringing children to any place or situation geared towards adults getting intoxicated seems like a very bad idea, alcohol included. I think things like family reunions or weddings or something like that is OK because people aren't there to get fucked up. But glamorizing drug use crosses the line... I'm not anti-drug but I am smart enough to know that ALL DRUGS ARE BAD. And kids should be allowed to understand that on their own.... I think a kid under 10 just can't understand what you tell him over what he sees... and if you're going to stay sober and not be high or drunk around your kid, then maybe choose something more innocent than a hard drug friendly event. Not only that but let's be honest, drugs are illegal, you don't want your kid seeing people destroy themselves, taking illegal illicit drugs and thinking that it is OK. They will get thrown in jail if they get caught trying the same thing, do you understand that? Do you want your kid thinkings drugs are okay and getting thrown in jail? No. You don't. Is that going to happen, probably not, but are the chances greater if you introduce them to that 'scene' at a young age, I think so. Some of you might think that acid opened your eyes to the world or some retarded shit like that, but no, it's a recreational thing and although it may help you progress spiritually, practically it goes nowhere and more importantly, it's illegal. And if you don't understand why it's STUPID to do illegal things, regardless or whether or not you agree with the law, then you've obviously burned too many brain cells already and probably shouldn't have kids in the first place. You want to teach kids responsibility, right? And illegal activities are irresponsible. It's just unintelligent to allow your child to think that any drug or substance is 'normal' and I think that a kid seeing all that in action from a young age will affect their view for the rest of their lives... I'm not an expert on child education or development... these are my uninformed opinion... but whenever I see or hear about adults who have serious drug problems, anything from alcohol to crack, 99% of the time, their parents are addicts themselves. The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree... it's ok to disagree with me, I'm not any more 'right' than anyone. But I was raised with the knowledge that all forms of intoxicating substances are 'not good', and to this day I believe it is true. Consequently I have a great job, great education, a great girlfriend and an excellent life that I couldn't feel more lucky to have. so maybe I just got lucky, or maybe a proper uncorrupted, for the most part, upbringing played a role in my current success. I challenge everyone to find me an example of a person they respect for their achievements who was heavy into drugs or was brought up in that environment. I can think of a handful of artists only, and they ALL died of drug overdoses.... beautiful. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sat Mar 5, 2011 @ 6:44pm |
 Coolness: 106090 | Holy shit dude, you sound just about ready to teach Sunday school.
:P I think you should come to Open Mind before continuing on about it. I've been to a fair amount of rave/party's/festivals and this one is different from the rest. This might sound corny but the values seem more wholesome than at say... Eclipse, witch is, to me, a party for adults as you described. The vibe is more axed on being healthy than getting wasted. I know a lot of brilliant peoples that have had episodes of heavy drug use and have lived long lives or are doing just fine today. Jacques Languirand is one of them. Henry Laborit, Alex Shulgin, Sigmund Freud, Winston Churchill, Stephen King, Timothy Leary, Lewis Armstrong, Miles Davis, Charlie Sheen... shit man there are so many. [ www.erowid.org ] I hope Open Mind keeps its wholesome feel to it, but with no Eclipse this year, I'm guessing a lot of peoples will be looking for a safe place to get wasted. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» prrr replied on Sat Mar 5, 2011 @ 7:44pm |
 Coolness: 43620 | Open Mind is not like other festivals on the wholesome-meter. If I were a kid, it would be a wonderland for me and would be a perfect environment for growing up with a conscience. If my parents were responsible enough to take me there and look after me properly.
On the other hand, I don't like being woken up by screaming kids at 1pm no matter how cute they are. Please no kids anywhere near my tent. Pounding music, I can sleep to it, right next to the dancefloor even. Screaming screeching noon-time drunks or kids? Nothx! Leave the munchkins at home with the rents/friends/sitters. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Sat Mar 5, 2011 @ 8:16pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Party_Girl replied on Sat Mar 5, 2011 @ 9:00pm |
 Coolness: 377450 | i think kids should'nt be exposed to drugs |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Sat Mar 5, 2011 @ 9:15pm |
 Coolness: 166520 | ... and i don't think drugs should be exposed to kids. I mean, it's weird when you're drinkin' and or tokin' or whatever, and you see kids running around. I don't even like smoking near a child, nevermind being stoned around one.
Even if a festival has a 'wholesome vibe' it doesn't mean that there aren't cracked out people hanging around. It's not just the drugs, and the loud music, it's the sketchy characters too. So, it sucks for the kid 'cause there's some weird shit going down and kids aren't that stupid not to notice or be affected. It sucks for the parents 'cause they have to watch out of their children the whole time (or be irresponsible, which is worse). And it sucks for the other people trying trip out, while tripping over kids ... All in all a bad idea, with few exceptions, unless you like taking chances with your kid's development. And for the people who wished they had been to festivals/raves/parties when they where young, well, those are the last people i'd want my kids chilling with ... :p But whatever, do what you want with your children, the future is fucked anyway ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sat Mar 5, 2011 @ 10:24pm |
| Coolness: 106090 | I'm surprised at how conservative some of you are.
Not once did I see a kid wandering off without adult supervision. Someone smoking a doob or drinking chai by the beach is hardly a traumatic experience for a young kid. And about kids being exposed to peoples on drugs, drugs are everywhere in society. Kids on ritalin, the moms on zolof, dads a workaholic/alcoholic, older sister takes e... Compared to that, Open Mind seem kinda tame. Open mind is a beautiful gathering, if you can tolerate new age philosophy, vegan food and lots of hippies. ;-) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Sun Mar 6, 2011 @ 1:55am |
| Coolness: 509535 | to each their own you know, i've seen kids at festivals, and it didn't look like it was destroying their life.
No one is saying that... it's just, questionable. But that doesn't make it wrong. btw you were joking about charlie sheen right? |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos replied on Sun Mar 6, 2011 @ 2:16am |
| Coolness: 93470 | I dunno. At shamblz the kids are fun to have around in the day time. I find most of the kids at festivals are really open and well adjusted. THeyre happy, playful, confident, and full of smilez and energy. And parents don't usually bring them around at night. I've only ever seen one kid raving at a stage (he was 8 years old, and was dressed up in a haloween costume. NO joke, it freaked me the fuck out. I couldnt imagine how stupid his mom must have been, but he seemed to be having fun). So generally, most of the kids at the festival are well looked after IMO.
As long as your willing to look after them at night time. IE babysit them and not go to the stages at night while you leave your kid alone in his tent, I think thats fine. Although, perhaps if your far enough from the stages, your kid can get a good nights sleep. But still, how could you feel safe knowing that if your kid gets up in the middle of the night and wonders around, he's gonna be around all these people that are high as fuck??? So yeah, I might take my kid to a festival, but only if there was other kids for him to play with and lots of child friendly and child specific activities during the day. Like if I was in a hippie commune or something. But otherwise, probably not. And not because I dont think the kid wouldnt have fun, but b/c I wouldnt want to babysit. And no, there is no way, I would let trust anyone else other than me to look after my kid at a festival. Just because if something happened to my kid, I would feel guilty for the rest of my life. Its my kid, and thus, my responsibility. So IMO the Original post is fucking rediculous. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sun Mar 6, 2011 @ 2:56am |
| Coolness: 106090 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED
btw you were joking about charlie sheen right? What, you don't like Charlie Sheen? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Sun Mar 6, 2011 @ 4:05am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Zentrix replied on Sun Mar 6, 2011 @ 5:03am |
 Coolness: 30270 | Open Mind is absolutely a family event. There were lots of families there last year, and I can see absolutely no problem with having kids there. The fact that someone would even question it tells me that you weren't there and aren't that familiar with the community that is involved with organizing the event.
If the only reason you would attend a festival like Open Mind is because you want to get fucking wasted, then you would kind of be missing the point. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Sun Mar 6, 2011 @ 12:44pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Sun Mar 6, 2011 @ 2:48pm |
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Taken out of context, this video is Teh cutes. But it looks pretty dark, and why is there nobody else on the dancefloor? I like the way they express em'selves tough, like pure ego-free dancing is nice. However, I stil think tat festivals are not for kids, unless there's a kid oriented thing going, with caretakers and everything... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Sun Mar 6, 2011 @ 3:58pm |
| Coolness: 509535 | I wasn't there...
Originally Posted By ZENTRIX
There were lots of families there last year, and I can see absolutely no problem with having kids there. Can you really not see a single problem with having kids there? Was the music really always below 100dba? If not, 2 hours of exposure causes permanent damage to adults, much less children. Rock shows typically play at 120dba or higher... Did you not see a single person tripping out? Do you really think it's healthy for a child to be exposed to that? I think you may be missing the point in the sense that it's not about what there is that is OK for children but rather the point that so long as there's even ONE single aspect of the event that isn't OK, it automatically becomes a bad idea to bring your kids there. And like Gamos said, are you going to be watching your kid the entire time? The ONLY answer to that question should be yes, and if it's yes, then why bother going in the first place... why not do something a little be more appropriate for the kid. At that point it becomes selfish... you're just not doing what's in the best interest of the child. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Sun Mar 6, 2011 @ 4:57pm |
| Coolness: 166550 | Originally Posted By MOLOCH
But it looks pretty dark, and why is there nobody else on the dancefloor? I like the way they express em'selves tough, like pure ego-free dancing is nice. However, I stil think tat festivals are not for kids, unless there's a kid oriented thing going, with caretakers and everything... it was around 7 or 8 pm, in central america it gets dark at that time. and the people were farther away, the festival was just starting. those 2 girls were travelling with their parents, and i also saw them on the dancefloor on sunday morning, and the way they dance, it was so pure... but that's about the only time i saw them... and this festival was not really kid-oriented, but traveller-oriented... but the beach was so huge and awesome that being a kid there i would not have been bored :) Originally Posted By AlienZeD
... i think you do not understand that this festival is really NOT all about the dancefloor experience. (of course to me it is but hehe, it's just one dimention of it...) you could spend the entire festival away from the dancefloor (and i mean that you would barely not hear the music at all) and still spend an awesome weekend full with what you paid for. between the beach, the workshops for small and big, the art house, walking in the forest illuminated by so much art at night, and all the other kids that are present, there is a world that is being created for the people who are not dancefloor oriented... and the dancefloor is situated in such a way that the only time you'd see it is when you go to the beach... and the beach is far enough and not in the directions of the speakers, so you don't get the dangerous sound levels. just make the kids wear earplugs if they want to experience the dancefloor, and usually by 9 or 10 PM they all go to sleep until the next morning you know ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Sun Mar 6, 2011 @ 5:23pm |
| Coolness: 509535 | I understand that... and I haven't been to Open mind so again, I'm not even a half-decent judge here.
I suppose open mind seems to be about a lot more than 'raving', and in fact not even oriented towards it all, which would make it the best place to bring your kid IF you insist on bringing your kids to that type of thing... I also strongly believe in the freedom of belief, so just because I wouldn't do it, doesn't mean I be grossly insulted to see some parent do it. There's an infinite amount of types of people and the 'truth' is that there's no right or wrong. What some might see as retaining innocence, others might see as pushing ignorance... it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. I just ask that you parents out there think about your kid first and then your desires... if you want a carefree life without consequences for those you are responsible for, don't have kids, yet. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Sun Mar 6, 2011 @ 6:21pm |
| Coolness: 106090 | I was in charge of sound at Open Mind, along with Simon Ears and Francois, and I can tell you that for anyone to be exposed to 120 dbs of sound, you would have to be standing directly in front of the speaker. Due to neighbor problems, we couldn't put the sound as loud as some would have liked it. But its great to dance without earplugs once in a while. |
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