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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Fri Dec 10, 2010 @ 1:31pm |
 Coolness: 166570 | hm i found the opposite, when i did the acid at 17 i thought it was fun but not much happened, the colors were nice and i was laughing at stuff and was really enjoying the 'madness'
but when i did it later when i was 20 i thought the experience was a lot deeper... and did it again and again, reaching the same depth on different aspects of life... stuff like merging and changing bodies with a friend, chanelling russian warrior spirits, really deep tantric sex... i think i can appreciate this kind of stuff a lot more with maturity. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Fri Dec 10, 2010 @ 3:07pm |
 Coolness: 226270 | Originally Posted By YOSHIN
stuff like merging and changing bodies with a friend, chanelling russian warrior spirits, really deep tantric sex... i think i can appreciate this kind of stuff a lot more with maturity. Color me hermetist, but I think rituals have their own efects, and LSD lets you explore them. You take short cuts. I do drugs for fun, and Grow my perceptions thru ritualistic practices fully aware and sober. I embrace the universe with a sound mind, not with a chemical stepladder. I guess it's all about how seriously you want to grow in the cosm. Not saying you're wrong, just saying drugs are kinda like a crutch for some when it comes to expanding one's self. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Fri Dec 10, 2010 @ 4:31pm |
| Coolness: 166570 | that's why sober time is so important. drugs show you doors though. i don't think i would have thought these kind of things would have been possible to experience with such a depth if i had not been teleported there with the chemicals... my goal is always to reach the same states while sober. i take acid as a guide, but i know it's lazyness to rely on that magic carpet to take you there all the time. learn to walk the walk too. :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Fri Dec 10, 2010 @ 4:34pm |
| Coolness: 226270 | Originally Posted By YOSHIN
that's why sober time is so important. drugs show you doors though. i don't think i would have thought these kind of things would have been possible to experience with such a depth if i had not been teleported there with the chemicals... my goal is always to reach the same states while sober. i take acid as a guide, but i know it's lazyness to rely on that magic carpet to take you there all the time. learn to walk the walk too. :) +10K |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» perception replied on Fri Dec 10, 2010 @ 4:37pm |
 Coolness: 65910 | I agree I think spiritual experiences are a lot more profound when sober. Meditation, walks in the forest, communion between two people, are more powerful sober. I think drugs are for recreational uses, I completely disagree with most of what Terence McKenna says, for example. While, the Dalia Lama is known to have said that if there was pill to reach enlightenment he would support it, I believe in the importance of ritual and commitment. Working, concentrating, devoting yourself to something without it so much would be meaningless, although that's just me. Maybe I will change my mind when I'm old and think everything should be easy. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Fri Dec 10, 2010 @ 4:43pm |
| Coolness: 226270 | Originally Posted By PERCEPTION
... Maybe I will change my mind when I'm old and think everything should be easy. Existance without challenge is death. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Fri Dec 10, 2010 @ 4:44pm |
| Coolness: 166570 | in the first times that i took acid i wanted the whole world to have that experience.. i wanted to put acid in the water of big cities, and see what would happen. it felt like the answer to everything... :)
i know it is not, and it would probably create a massive hysteria and badtrip... but... i wish some people in the world would open up. and maybe that's what we all need, an experience so terrifying that we start to value life a lot more. stuff like near-death-experiences... om shiva. i like the darker side of acid. :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Fri Dec 10, 2010 @ 4:47pm |
| Coolness: 226270 | Originally Posted By YOSHIN
om shiva. i like the darker side of acid. :) Yeah, the shadows are nice. But you need light to cast them. Gawd, I sound like some sort of prophet. I love ready made wisdom :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Fri Dec 10, 2010 @ 5:59pm |
 Coolness: 66695 | this is really interesting
hmmm, well first off i have no idea wth tantric sex is. anyway see thats what i mean; it sounds enlightening almost, to experience it. like it's gonna open my mind and i'm not going to percieve (sp ? ) things the same way as i would have if i didn't take it if you know what i mean.. i mean i don't know anything about these things you are all talking about like shiva and spiritual philosophies etc, is it just personal character ? because everyone i've ever met that has done acid seems to be more in touch with spirituality if that makes sense, i'm not dissing it or anything i'm just trying to understand it and i forgot to mention that hoffman character is pretty ballsy.. he took a huge dose of something he had no idea what would happen ? what was the famous bike ride home ? anyway i'm trailing off well after all of this i'm definitely going to experiment with this but i want to take molochs advice and be 100% ready and have no doubts. and your body feels like how it does on shrooms ? thats not good i can't even walk when im on shrooms im like a big bag of water the motion of sitting is even worse lol i dont think i could dance if i felt like that. are the visual hallucinations just colors or do you see actual objects form ? i've always wondered that.. moloch n yoshin so would you say that lsd is safer than some of the other drugs out there in the rave scene as well ? these questions may seem trivial but the're very important to me. like i said before lsd to me has always been " oh fuck no i'll go crazy if i touch that" n i never bothered even looking at it until recently |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Fri Dec 10, 2010 @ 6:22pm |
| Coolness: 166570 | hehe tantric sex is a hindu and tibetan tradition... you know how most western religions condemn sex and pleasure as a bad thing... well some religions in the east say to embrace it, and they made a disciplin out of it that it can lead to highly spiritual experiences. you probably have heard of the kama sutra before... that book was written by tantrikas. look it up if you're interested, it's a very rewarding path of awareness, pleasure and discovery :)
and shiva is a hindu deity of destruction and death of all things. with brahma the creator and vishnu the preserver they form the trimurti, the cycle that everything goes through... and they are all aspects within every human being... creation, preservation, and destruction. we say shiva is also the dancing god, and he dances on a corpse that signifies ignorance and fear and the ego... destroy in order to create. hehe yeah you know, hofmann, he had no idea... micrograms is a pretty small quantity, and the only way to know the dosage of a drug is to try it... nest times he adjusted the quantity, but he would not have guessed that such a small quantity could produce such a huge effect. it amazes me everytime with acid... micrograms to heaven or hell... strange that people feel so smooth on acid, all i want to do is move... i sit down and my spine only wants to move like a snake, and i get up and dance for hours non-stop. or paint... i just want to be creative on psychedelics... and the hallucinations are usually distortion of texture, or things melting together, like you can touch the music or taste colors, they call that synesthesia and it's so awesome when your senses get mixed up together :) things feel like they're moving, breathing... you may see auras, or the spirit of a plant or something like that. i've never hallucinated something straight out of my imagination, it's more like what is already there just takes more dimentions... those who think they can fly and jump off a cliff, i think it's not from LSD but from PCP, angel's dust... and is lsd safer... if done in the right set and setting, yes. it is safer on your body as there are no known studies that show physical harm from the chemical... but it can be hardcore on the mind of those not prepared. the good thing with lsd is that it is not addictive, unlike other drugs like ketamine or cocaine or even mdma... and the problem that arises with mdma is the damage done to the things that produce serotonin in your brain... well acid doesn't have this action, since the quantity ingested is so small (in micrograms, about 80 to 120 mics is what's on a good blotter) it just dissolves and can't be detected in drug tests pretty much as soon as you stop feeling the effects. Update » AYkiN0XiA wrote on Fri Dec 10, 2010 @ 6:42pm hmm you've probably seen shiva in thepsy-trance imagery already... that's him as the nataraj (dancing god)
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Fri Dec 10, 2010 @ 7:21pm |
| Coolness: 226270 | @Yoshin: I hate to contradict you on the half life of the substance.
LSD is lipposoluble. It goes directly to you fat tissues. I mean whatever is not lodged in between your sinapses. So if you take enough, often enough, it stores itself in your body fat amd most drug detection tests will detect it really easily. I.E.: Military drug testing, olympics ect. However, a nice side effect to this is that when under strain, it is sometimes released in your blood stresm and gives you dem "flashbacks". Wich is like a 15 seconds thing (in my case. I hear it's more intence sometimes.) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Fri Dec 10, 2010 @ 8:54pm |
| Coolness: 166570 | this is urban legends apparently. i have not found neutral sources that confirm it, neither that infirms it. so little is known about lsd... but since it's micrograms we speak of, they can't be detected in tests..
[ en.wikipedia.org ] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Fri Dec 10, 2010 @ 11:44pm |
| Coolness: 226270 | Originally Posted By YOSHIN
this is urban legends apparently. i have not found neutral sources that confirm it, neither that infirms it. so little is known about lsd... but since it's micrograms we speak of, they can't be detected in tests.. [ en.wikipedia.org ] Damn you, I tought I had this shit down. Now I'll have to look it up soam moar :) But nice linkage there. :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Sat Dec 11, 2010 @ 1:03pm |
| Coolness: 66695 | pretty informative ^^ good to know, it definitely sounds like fun, n thanks you guys i appreciate it |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» perception replied on Sat Dec 11, 2010 @ 4:55pm |
| Coolness: 65910 | with all this LSD talk I got curious, and took a little break from homework to find some peer reviewed journal articles...
So, someone is trying to find a way to detect LSD, although they seem to be far from an applied method... Title: Optimization of the separation of lysergic acid diethylamide in urine by a sweeping technique using micellar electrokinetic chromatography Author(s): Fang, C; Liu, JT; Lin, CH Source: JOURNAL OF CHROMATOGRAPHY B-ANALYTICAL TECHNOLOGIES IN THE BIOMEDICAL AND LIFE SCIENCES Volume: 775 Issue: 1 Pages: 37-47 Published: JUL 25 2002 Times Cited: 13 Title: Detection of metabolites of lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) in human urine specimens: 2-oxo-3-hydroxy-LSD, a prevalent metabolite of LSD Author(s): Poch, GK; Klette, KL; Hallare, DA, et al. Source: JOURNAL OF CHROMATOGRAPHY B Volume: 724 Issue: 1 Pages: 23-33 Published: MAR 5 1999 Times Cited: 18 looking at old research I found some interesting titles (back when parapsychology was still cool) Mescaline, lysergic acid diethylamide and psilocybin comparison of clinical syndromes, effects on color perception and biochemical measures Hollister LE, Hartman AM 1962 Modification of autistic behavior with LSD-25. Simmons JQ, Leiken SJ, Lovaas OI, Schaeffer B, Perloff B 1966 The effects of LSD-25 on creativity and tolerance to regression. Zegans LS, Pollard JC, Brown D 1967 Dimensions of LSD, methylphenidate and chlordiazepoxide experiences. Ditman KS, Moss T, Forgy EW, Zunin LM, Lynch RD, Funk WA 1969 LSD and chromosomes. A controlled experiment. Tjio JH, Pahnke WN, Kurland AA 1969 A paradigm for the study of altered states of consciousness. Silverman J 1968 Characterizing the psychological state produced by LSD. Katz MM, Waskow IE, Olsson J 1968 The effect of psychotomimetics on therapist--patient matching of speech "rhythms". Natale M, Dahlberg CC, Jaffe J 1979 Subject expectancy and environmental factors as determinants of psychedelic flashback experiences. Heaton RK 1975 L-5-hydroxytryptophan for LSD-induced psychosis. Abraham HD 1983 the list goes on, as time progresses the research becomes more and more specialized in mechanism rather than subject experiences. and another three interesting titels J Psychoactive Drugs. 1985 Oct-Dec;17(4):247-56. LSD hallucinations: from ergot to electric kool-aid. Siegel RK. Psychol Today. 1977 Nov;11(6):92-94+. The CIA's electric kool-aid acid test. Szulc T. Lancet. 1972 Apr 29;1(7757):948-52. Medical aspects of large outdoor festivals. Schlicht J, Mitcheson M, Henry M. I suppose it is all useless, just a nice demonstration of the progression of research with LSD, or is it a regression... My university doesn't have a medical department which reduces the access to this type of research papers. Maybe over the summer I will get trigger happy and do a serious hunt and acquire these documents. I could only get access to one article... called Canddyflipping haha, where they administered MDMA and LSD to rats to investigate the effects on the serotonergic receptors. back to my less interesting end-of-semester hwk assignment: does facebook affect academic performance *rolls eyes* anything can fuck your shit up, it's called lack of self-control. which is my cue |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» the_rider replied on Sun Dec 12, 2010 @ 9:51am |
 Coolness: 42240 | To reply to the original topic, in my opinion, ketamine by itself is not a great party drug. In combination with extacy (kittyflip), a small bump will increase the "loved-up" feeling, and will bring a trippy side to the roll, with closed eyes visuals. The downsize is that the ket will bring your energy level lower, making you want to sit on a side, instead of dancing and partying with people.
Ketamine is so much better in a calm setting at a higher dose. The day after a party, when coming down from extacy, with 20+ hours without sleeping, a vial of decent ket has the potential to bring you to really crazy places, if you stay calm, don't fight and enjoy the ride. I had a really matrix-like trip (even before seeing the film) in a shattering ego-death trip. Many of my trips had an "industrial" vibe, with machines, steel 3D structures, ... The 3D closed-eyes visuals of a serious ketamine trip are amazing. Ketamine helped me in a period of drug abuse. The lessening of the ego and the introspection helped me to understand that I needed to slow down my use of drugs, take my life in hands, and live my passions. One positive effect of ket is his antidepressive properties. Even after a big weekend, a vial and a big night of sleep, and I'm ready for several days feeling so motivated and positive. LSD, oh well, heaven and hell. I had some amazing moments, and some of the worst of my life too. My first LSD trip was with my ex-girlfriend, in the earlier times of our dating. A low-dose day trip, chilling at my appartment, enjoying a warm spring day, talking about so many things. LSD is great to help opening up to other people. While on LSD, my mind is running faster than usual, and often I feel the need to talk with people. I find it kind of hard to keep all what is running in my head for myself. That side of LSD, the fact that things can get running really fast in your mind is the reason why someone should have access to a calm place while tripping, to make it possible to slow things down. Also, when taking LSD, you have to accept that you might not like all what you will see. Ego is masking some aspects of personnality, and during a trip, with LSD tearing up the ego, you might have to face them. Personnally, I find it easier to trip on mushrooms than on LSD. It has less of a personnal side, and feels more mystical, spiritual. Also, mushrooms have a nice organic vibe. For dancing and party-going, my #1 choice is mdma, with maybe a small touch of speed, but not too much. Just enough to give energy to dance and not too much to not overpower the mdma, and feel the music. But, there's a neccesity to be careful to not overdo mdma to not loose the magic. Be careful with drugs, gang. They play on the perception of reality, and that's not a small thing. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Mon Dec 13, 2010 @ 9:33am |
| Coolness: 166570 | Originally Posted By PERCEPTION
Maybe over the summer I will get trigger happy and do a serious hunt and acquire these documents. i would like to see some of them! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kishmay_Pinas replied on Mon Dec 13, 2010 @ 1:00pm |
 Coolness: 103250 | Tabs I want tabs |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Tue Dec 14, 2010 @ 6:18pm |
| Coolness: 66695 | fair enough, n +2 @ perception
yeah i noticed after a rave k smooths you out alot, had no idea it had anti depressent properties though, n what i experienced at that rave was ridiculous lol i've never had that happen to me like i said, i wasn't scared or anything but with my eyes already all fuckin retarded i'd rather be able to see properly with what little i can ya know ? :P lsd soon ^^ i'll def get back to you guys when i hit that up |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» perception replied on Wed Dec 15, 2010 @ 9:53am |
| Coolness: 65910 | K is sooo not pleasant on the eyes! That's the number one thing I noticed. It fucks with your shit pretty bad. I too vote for after party on a couch, already at home, use only. |
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