Sick Fuck Tortures Cat In Youtube Video
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» system_glitch replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 8:42am |
 Coolness: 162495 | Yeppers, too bad I don't have 55 pounds to lose. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 8:43am |
 Coolness: 294970 | don't you weight like 55 pounds? ;-) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» system_glitch replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 8:44am |
| Coolness: 162495 | Fuck you, I weight twice that! ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 8:44am |
| Coolness: 294970 | I hope so!
but it was for the lolz |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Termina replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 9:54am |
 Coolness: 86085 | You know, to be completely honest with all of you, I was going to say the same thing Miche ended up saying. But, I didn't want to start another stupid pointless debate.
In my opinion, there is really NO difference between this video and a cow/pig/chicked/etc getting tortured in a farm. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 10:08am |
 Coolness: 339660 | Really?
Do you see a difference in killing bugs? What if i swatted a fly? Killed a cockroach? If I ate a starfish or a sea cucumber, is it the same? What if I lit a plant on fire? How about a eating a head of lettuce? They're all living things, you just think of the ones with eyes and mouths as being very different, in the same way most people see a cat/dog as being different than a cow or chicken. Different shades of grey. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 10:10am |
 Coolness: 158230 | I like to see Vegans as "People eating living organisms that don't scream back".
The only way to stop hurting anything is through Inedia (breatharianism). ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 10:12am |
| Coolness: 339660 | Vegetarians and the like are simply in denial about their own existence.
You are an animal. You must kill other living things in order to live. If you think that's cruel, then you should stop living. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 10:32am |
| Coolness: 294970 | Originally Posted By THREAD
Vegetarians and the like are simply in denial about their own existence. You are an animal. You must kill other living things in order to live. If you think that's cruel, then you should stop living. QFT |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Termina replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 10:47am |
| Coolness: 86085 | Originally Posted By THREAD
They're all living things, you just think of the ones with eyes and mouths as being very different, in the same way most people see a cat/dog as being different than a cow or chicken. Different shades of grey. Point made. Although, I am NOT in denial. I am getting around just fine (if not better) without meat in my diet. You don't have to kill other living things to live. Now you're just trying to justify your own lifestyle choice. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» karma.millie replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 11:00am |
 Coolness: 38280 | It's so ridiculous that some of you people insult others just because they think differently.
Even if I eat a hamburger it dosen't mean that I'm for animal cruelty, and if someone had posted a video of chickens or a cow being treated the same way that the cat was, the reaction would have been the same. The main idea in all this is that the guy is a sick kid ( my point of view) and "Do no harm to any living creature". Now peace up! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 11:11am |
| Coolness: 339660 | Originally Posted By HUMAN_DISEASE
You don't have to kill other living things to live. Now you're just trying to justify your own lifestyle choice. You don't eat fruits or vegetables? Ever eat a carrot? You have to kill the carrot in order to eat it. The plant dies since you're eating it's root. Think of all the organisms in that carrot that will die in your stomach. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 11:15am |
 Coolness: 103330 | so what kind of torturing does the kid do in the video? i don't really want to see it but i want to know what happens. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 11:18am |
 Coolness: 38765 | My post is long and thought-out, so if you don't want to read it, don't (or skim to the part that applies to you).
Originally Posted By DRNYARLATHOTEP
The only way to stop hurting anything is through Inedia (breatharianism). ;) Originally Posted By thread
Vegetarians and the like are simply in denial about their own existence. You are an animal. You must kill other living things in order to live. If you think that's cruel, then you should stop living. I can respond to those both at the same time: ...when breatharianism becomes a reality, I'll look into it more. Until then, I'm going to consume the things that have no NOCICEPTORS. The point is to minimize harm caused as much as possible. Life requires other life to live. The life we consume to live ourselves does not have to have nociceptors (developed pain receptors) that all animals have, and plants DO NOT have. Yes, they may feel on some level (and I believe they do), but not in a comparable way to animals (which includes all vertebrates and invertebrates). In any case, you have to kill many more plants to feed an animal and eat it/its products, than to get the nutrition first hand from the plants themselves. Originally Posted By human_disease
You know, to be completely honest with all of you, I was going to say the same thing Miche ended up saying. But, I didn't want to start another stupid pointless debate. Yeah it's difficult being in the minority, no matter how good your intentions are or what you say, "the other side" will probably not take it seriously and you're right, it feels pointless. I felt like the contradiction was too blatantly absurd not to point out. Originally Posted By trey
by calling people hypocrites and such, disfavor you. I'm not trying to make friends by pointing out hypocrisies and fallacies, just like when I counter anti-homosexuality, egocentricity, or any other form of bigotry. There are bigger issues at hand than my personal popularity. When I was first responding to the pro-harm posts, I specifically pointed out that I was not personally against anyone, etc etc and I chose my words very carefully and was super kind about it. Then I was jumped on, attacked more, and was like "OK then, fuck you too, no more sugar coating, blabla" and maybe I should have stayed nice despite the ignorant attacks, I shouldn't have sunk down to their level. Originally Posted By trey
You have no more moral rights, nor do I, or anyone else in, to tell another human how to live their lives. You have no moral rights to tell (or force) other animals how to live their lives. I don't consider other peoples' freedom to torture others as a real freedom.. it's an ABUSE of freedom. Who's freedom is in more dire need of being protected - the people who cause suffering to others, or the victims of that abuse, who are being deprived of their ABSOLUTE freedoms? I think it's a very fair question to ask, and thing to point out... why do people think it's not OK in one circumstance to torture an animal (the cat in the video) when it's unnecessary... but that it is OK to torture an animal in other circumstances where it's also unnecessary? Originally Posted By trey
It's preposterous that you've accused people of advocating animal torture because they eat meat. People won't listen to what you say, no matter how interesting it is, because of your bellicose posts. Well if someone is actually creating the demand and paying for the torture of other animals, then yes, that's what it is. People always hate the bearer of bad news. It keeps being diverted into a personal thing, and I only care to talk about the facts. Originally Posted By trey
People characterized pets and animals differently. Maybe a cat brings a lifetime of joy while the cow is a necessity to live. People give different values to different situations. Pets ARE animals. A cat is a cat is a cat, whether its in your home or in a lab being chopped up and hurled around to test pointless shit on... a sentient being is a sentient being is a sentient being... a beagle is still a beagle when it's getting lethal chemicals poured down its throat, that could have been tested in other ways. A chicken has all the nerve endings and feelings that a puppy does. None of them are a "necessity" to live. Nutrients are a necessity to live, and NONE of them have to come from animals. Originally Posted By trey
Do you realized, perhaps, that you're pushing an extreme Vegan world view, not you care so much about the welfare of animals, but because it's a detriment to your mental well being? Huh? Of course I care about their welfare, that's why I try to defend their right to be free and not tortured by us... Hah, veganism is not the extremism here... the extremism is the abuse that happened to the cat in the video. The extremism is the abuse that happens, UNNECESSARILY, to every single animal that is abused, pointlessly by humans. Useless, cruel, extreme violence like what happened to the poor cat. Originally Posted By trey
I agree that we need animals more than they need us. It's unfortunate about the horrible condition in factory farms. You have to think about the problems in the long run and different angles, about logistics and economic, not just about what's right and wrong or natural. Exactly. Our inefficient system of livestock versus the efficiency of feeding our society on a vegan diet... the fact that honey bees are disappearing when we need them to pollenate, and now more than ever we have to stop feeding 90% of the soy and corn that's grown in this continent to livestock and instead feed it to HUMANS to get the most we can our of our land... instead of cutting down the rainforest, increasing pollution to harm our future generations... to stop using all of our hard earned TAX money on SUBSIDIZATION OF THE LIVESTOCK INDUSTRY... especially now that we are in a state of economic difficulty. I've come to this frame of mind because of looking at all the different sides. I'm an advocate of science, logic, reasoning. This isn't a spiritual/fad thing for me (though I'm not dissing the people who are). It's important to take all the different things into account. Every time I do, the logical solution is veganism. It can't solve all the world's problems but it would sure help with a lot of them. Originally Posted By trey
If our evolutionary predecessors didn't eat meat, then their brains would've growned. We wouldn't have tools, nor languages. We wouldn't be here talking. I wonder, then, how those vegan tribes managed to grow and develop like we did. Our brains developed a certain way because of the nutrients we received, not where we got them from. Most people don't know that you can get absolutely all of the same (and often more) nutrients from a vegan diet, which is why they keep the old fallacies. Update » Vegan wrote on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 11:21am karma.millie - well if the animal who went into the hamburger was tortured (which it almost definitely was), then yes that would be causing an animal to be tortured. This isn't a personal attack at all it's just a fact :(
...and if farm animal abuse was posted, the reaction would NOT be the same unfortunately (as we've seen in other threads). |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 11:49am |
 Coolness: 153000 | bla bla bla bla, again, pointless propaganda! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» karma.millie replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 11:55am |
| Coolness: 38280 | Your right that people won't react the same way I didn't explained myself in a good way, what I ment is that nobody likes it when they see living creatures that can't defend themselfs being harmed.
And if it would be less of a big thing is maybe because not a lot of people have cows, chicken etc. going around the house like pets. I grew up on a farm so I used to be surrounded by farm animals so most probably my reaction to a cow being beat up will not be the same as someone who saw cows on images/videos. The point is that we don't like living creature being harm but every reaction is based on our own experiences. And just for information, they made some tests on trees while they were peeling off a part of the bark & they discovered with a machine that the tree was reacting inside ( was actually feeling) the peeling. To what degree I dont know but if u want I can try to send you the source. So maybe are we actually harming the carrot but we just don't know it because she dosen't have eyes or a voice? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 12:01pm |
 Coolness: 108800 | What I find funny about this is that when people disagree with subjects that don't touch them, even when put in a vulgar fashion, they just make a comment and move on. But when it touches them, they won't quit until one runs out of arguments or make a mistake. However, this doesn't validate either point of view. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 12:04pm |
| Coolness: 38765 | You're right karma.millie, plants can feel. All living things can. They can't feel on any comparable level to what animals can, though. There is a lot of scientific evidence to prove that. Even if we did not have that evidence, and plants did feel as much as animals do (even if they feel *more* than animals do), it's still causing less suffering to eat the plants themselves, since that consumes less plants than if they were fed to animals first. Originally Posted By
deadfunk bla bla bla bla, again, pointless propaganda! The information I share is of no benefit to me, so no, I don't see how it could be propaganda. Propaganda is generally used by people, a government, *companies* (like the livestock industry) who have something to lose or gain from you. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 12:27pm |
| Coolness: 153000 | "La propagande désigne l'ensemble des actions menées dans le cadre d'une stratégie de communication par un pouvoir politique ou militaire pour influencer la population dans sa perception des évènements, des personnes ou des enjeux de façon à l'endoctriner ou l'embrigader."
you try to make us all vegetarian, so you are doing propaganda. what do you expect, do you really think that people in here will become vegetarian because you say so? do you think shitting on people here will make them change their mind? and you say that plants CAN fell, they feel less than animals, but they DO FEEL. so where to stop, if you really were into not making anything suffer, it would be EVERYTHING that feels, including plants, but you draw your own line, and expect everyone to follow YOUR line. sorry little girl, but life doesnt work YOUR way. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan replied on Tue Feb 17, 2009 @ 12:42pm |
| Coolness: 38765 | Do you not know how to read, deadfunk, it takes more plants to be omnivore than if the plants themselves were consumed. Put two and two together. It's not that hard.
How is sharing information shitting on people. Propaganda is spreading false information, right? I haven't done that. Please tell me where you think I have done that. I'm not against anyone at all... I wish the best for everyone. The more information that is out there and shared, the better IMO. What do you think I have to personally gain from sharing this info? It's certainly not popularity. Maybe it would have been easier for a lot of people who were part of social movements to shut up, be quiet, and have everyone like them... but they chose to stand up for others anyways. For some reason, certain people just aren't able to stand there silently while they witness serious injustices that could be avoided. Yes, talking about it IS the way to bring change. Sure the majority of people might not take to it, they've grown up being used to whatever they were indoctrinated with.. but there will always be people like me who were just waiting to find the info and make some changes. N get off of that ageist crap, please, children are often much more intelligent than adults. |
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