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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 9:46am |
 Coolness: 75800 | 6hz... that's awesome...
I wonder if you could stick one of the earbuds in your belly button... crank up the volume on a 7hz tone and see if they've got enough power to fulfill the promise of the brown-tone! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 10:44am |
 Coolness: 685720 | Only one way to find out! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 11:10am |
 Coolness: 140815 | go near the speakers at komodo events at la sat and i promise... at some point in the night, you will smell something funny |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 12:16pm |
 Coolness: 106245 | Originally Posted By SCOTTYP
414's are perfectly fine, know a dude who records like that.. gets great results I'd use a newmann for solo vocals but for room recording, 414 is great. 414's are great for school projects, low budgets and overhead mics. Not for professional classical recordings. Update » databoy wrote on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 12:47pm Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
Just because you're not hearing the frequencies doesn't mean that they aren't affecting the ones you can (quite the opposite, actually!) If your speaker is vibrating at aditional frequencies, these vibrations are going to colour the sound that you DO hear, generate more/extra harmonics, etc.. It's nothing you're gonna hear on electronic music that's off a CD (since they're going to cut all those frequencies to "make it louder", which is actually a shitty thing to do for sound quality), but even if you're playing electronic music off a record, the simple fact that it's analog and a needle on a record will generate these extra sympathetic frequencies in the ultra-high and ultra-low end of the spectrum, which is why most people say that a song sounds "warmer" on a record than it does on a CD; you're getting a much fuller sound out of the speakers. Acoustic instruments don't have a limit to their range of frequencies; an acoustic guitar, a real drum-kit, if recorded 'pure', will have frequencies that go into these ultra-high and ultra-low ranges, and that extra resonance is what makes real instruments so irreplacable and sound so good. I'm sorry to break this to you but your whole conception of sound as expressed in your post is fiction. First, the lower the sound the less you hear it and the less it affects the ones you do hear. Your ear isnt a graffic eq, theres no dull spots between freq. slopes. Acoustic instruments dont have enough acoustic energie to emit sounds at freq. as low as 20hz. On top of that, mic dont reproduce sounds that low and if they do/did, would be cut off with a high pass, seeing as though the frequencies in that range are vibrations from the ground/air, and you dont want that. The "warmthe" everyone talks about is harmonic distortion (the kind you get from valves) not ultra high frequencies and infra bass. The quality of a digital recording is in the RESOLUTION of the higher freq. not the max hight of the sound. Pretty much the only instruments capable of emitting those ultra low frequencies are synths and again the signal under 20hz is cut because it only adds mud. The human ear functions best in the low mids aprox 600hz to high mids, 4 khz. And that is where the fundamental of most sounds are at. The rest is Future Shop salesman talk. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 2:29pm |
 Coolness: 131725 | actually there is nothing ion the electrical circuit of an analog machine to prevent 0hz to 22hz being broadcst,
most of the time its only the playback amp that cant paly it as it was recorded, on about 3000 radio / amp schematics there isnt a bandpass filter to isolate the low floor, other thing is I hear it since the tested signal i saw on my scope never did on cheaper speakers. and now each time i go to sleep and listen to my tracks on the 800watts, i hear stuff i cant on cheaper gear. again there is nothing in the circuit to prevent that key part of the signal to be broadcast. unless your doing 8wQFSK and saltellite transmission. Update » cutterhead wrote on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 2:30pm bass players would know what im talking about. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 4:10pm |
| Coolness: 106245 | What is this hard-on you all have on inaudible frequencies?
If you are concentrating on those freq, you are waisting your time. Totally looking in the wrong direction. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 4:19pm |
| Coolness: 131725 | man bass players crave anything that go below 8 hz |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 4:33pm |
| Coolness: 106245 | Originally Posted By CUTTERHEAD
man bass players crave anything that go below 8 hz Who told you that? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 4:44pm |
| Coolness: 131725 | well i do , why compromise any part of the bandwith ? i will process it if i need to |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 4:55pm |
| Coolness: 106245 | Because you wast audible bandwidth on your medium by including useless information.
Infra-basses are like-ultra violet rays, despite the fact that they do exist, the various meters are there to prove it, those freq. oscillations are outside of our perceptual "bandwidth". |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 5:09pm |
| Coolness: 685720 | yes, but despite the fact that they're outside the range of our perceptual bandwidth, they still affect us. Ever got a sunburn? That's one effect of ultraviolet light.
Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't affect you. You don't have to HEAR a sound for it to affect other sounds. Sound is all just vibrations (massive over-simplification, but you know what I mean) A proper sub playing a 1hz note wouldn't be heard, but you sure as hell would feel it. Now, the vibrations caused by this would cause resonance in the speaker cabinet, and this resonance would alter/change minutley the resonance of any other frequency that would be coming out of said cabinet. you wouldn't hear the sub-bass, and you wouldn't be able to pin-point exactly what it is that was different about the sound (specific-frequency wise), but if you stick a good, wide-band mic in a room and play something with ultra-high and ultra low fequencies left in, and then played the same thing with them cut out, and look at a spectral analysis of what you'd recorded, you would see changes in the frequencies you CAN hear if you compared them next to each other. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 5:28pm |
| Coolness: 106245 | "Extremely low frequency (ELF) is the band of radio frequencies from 3 to 30 Hz. ELF was used by the US Navy and Soviet/Russian Navy to communicate with submerged submarines."
[ en.wikipedia.org ] They affect us in the same ways as radio waves and microwaves affect us... perhaps on a cellular level, but that has nothing to do with any intention on the part of the musician, has nothing to do with the music. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 7:04pm |
| Coolness: 131725 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
"Extremely low frequency (ELF) is the band of radio frequencies from 3 to 30 Hz. ELF was used by the US Navy and Soviet/Russian Navy to communicate with submerged submarines." [ en.wikipedia.org ] They affect us in the same ways as radio waves and microwaves affect us... perhaps on a cellular level, but that has nothing to do with any intention on the part of the musician, has nothing to do with the music. your talking about modulated signal at extremely low frequency , THATS A WHOLE OTHER STORY. Update » cutterhead wrote on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 7:06pm plus if you can get a 1hz depth anywhere in the band that way more info and richness to your sound. its not just STATIC below 8hz. the word can be heard higher, Update » cutterhead wrote on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 7:09pm 1 hz crosstalk can be heard in the whole band imo. taking it out is like droping your resolution for no reason. I DO understand that if you overload your system with infrabass you will lose a lot , but used naturally you get better quality. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 7:19pm |
| Coolness: 106245 | The richness of sound comes from the detail and the harmonic complexity's of the audible frequencies, not the quantity of bass or the presence of infrasounds.
[ en.wikipedia.org ] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 7:23pm |
| Coolness: 131725 | electrically wise, you have a said wire that can immit sound.
in thes best of all worlds , the more complete the resembling signal to the source the better no ? now taking the low part out , i would void that i have said : it wouldnt be a mirror of the source. therefore having poor quality in mimicking the main source. did you find out why have they made thses to go to 6 hz then ? Update » cutterhead wrote on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 7:28pm also the ability of the amp to be excited at a given frequency to emmit the mimicked sound
goes from the low frequency on up. to be able to send a rapid attack on a low frequency will show as a medium that oscillate normally. having ultrafast osillation fon the low will have you emmit good medim and normal high. one 1hz = 1 wave , 440hz = 440wave. if you top everything under 8hz you dont get a tru 440hz, you only get 432hz Update » cutterhead wrote on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 7:34pm hearing is a sensibility , and it can be trained : if you can see on a monitor the tiny difference , chances are at some point of getting that training , you will have no need to "see" it since you will already have that mental image of what happened tru experimentation and training.
now im saying i watched enough records play to say that it isnt tru that they all have being chopped to that frequency because you cant hear it, MOST OF THE TIME IS TO SAVE THE LIFE OF THE CUTTERHEAD OF THE VINYL MASTERING STATION IN ORDER FOR IT TO HAVE LOGNER LIFE ( SINCE SOME LOW HARMONIQUE CAN BREAK THE CUTTER. also a diamon cutterhead is worth 15k $ wereas a saffire is worth 8k$ so gambling that 8-to-15k$ for richnesss is all there is in mastering of vinyl since this is the region where you get organic richeness of the sounds. like waling on the edge of a break or a masterpiece. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 7:34pm |
| Coolness: 106245 | Originally Posted By CUTTERHEAD
did you find out why have they made thses to go to 6 hz then ? So whoever buys these earbuds can brag about them. HYPE "Infrasound (0.001 hertz to 20 hertz) can also be generated by man-made processes such as sonic booms and explosions (both chemical and nuclear), by machinery such as diesel engines and wind turbines and by specially designed mechanical transducers (industrial vibration tables) and large-scale subwoofer loudspeakers." The frequency band between 20hz and 80hz is mostly wind/semi-physically palpable sound pressure, or rumble... under 20hz is not heard with your ears |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 7:39pm |
| Coolness: 131725 | your definition is the definition on sub harmoniques as a distortion to the model , thats an other field again :C Update » cutterhead wrote on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 7:41pm ie subsounds in an engines is the "knocking" made by the explosion that gets "in phase" with the motor and create a counter frequency to the oscillating engine and could destroy the bonds and the whole casing because of wave distortion , this isnt a concept for music, its a concept of material engineering and load bearing |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 7:42pm |
| Coolness: 106245 | Witch part of your anatomy hears sounds under 20hz?
...or has your scope grafted to your body? Infrasounds (0.001 hertz to 20 hertz) [ en.wikipedia.org ] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 7:52pm |
| Coolness: 131725 | its audible ,
its being proven that people with sight impairment can hear better , this is what their talking about. but let me give you this analogy : take a picture of the horizon, take these small birds that could be 2 km away, you cant hear them, but how come when your in the great outdoors 100 km away from urban centers you start hearing them to the point where you can hear them 4-5 km away ? attention to detail, this is the only reason, under NATURAL propagation, having full spectrum will create a definition of sound that quals what you call clarity of sound. Update » cutterhead wrote on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 7:56pm i may have a poor eyesight , but on a medical i got for a job they tested my earsight and i can hear more than a wisper under 15 db. the curve got pretty under 8hz Update » cutterhead wrote on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 7:57pm [ www.nlm.nih.gov ]
In detailed audiometry, hearing is normal if you can hear tones from 250 Hz - 8,000 Hz at 25 dB or lower. ^^ there your numbers are wrong too. Update » cutterhead wrote on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 8:00pm beside that i also hear the vertical and horizontal frequency of cathode ray tube , one of them is above normal hearing , and i can hear it quite well to know if its working in a circuit or not without tools. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Mon Jan 12, 2009 @ 7:59pm |
 Coolness: 91520 | Originally Posted By CUTTERHEAD
man bass players crave anything that go below 8 hz AH YIEAH! That's why most of the get shakers on their benches if they can't play thru a bass amp (with in-ear monitors) |
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