Creativity // How Old Is Too Old?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» caro replied on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 3:56pm |
 Coolness: 151910 | The question at hand, does creativity grow with you as you age, or does one’s creativity decrease with age?
I was arguing the point of increased creativity with age. I like to believe that the more you know, see and ultimately do will lead you to be more creative and daring… At the same the devils advocate could argue (and did in the form of my not so favorite co-worker) that the younger you are the more creativity you have, because of age you’re more willing to push the creative envelope and try things that might in the end fail miserable. As well, the more you have on your plate: responsibilities and such and such will take time away from creative brainstorming and left field ideas (bullshit if you ask me, but someone’s opinion none the less). Now im seriously intrigued as to what others think… discuss?!!?!!! (please & thank you) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:04pm |
 Coolness: 158205 | Both? Some confine themselves, the more they know, so as to "belong". I don't think those can push the creativity "envelope" very much and thus lose themselves to neutrality.
I think others might be able to do otherwise. Many writers reach their creative prime near their 50s, like Hunter S. Thompson and Kurt Vonnvegut... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vee-Vee replied on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:06pm |
 Coolness: 96190 | Plus jeune, j'trouvais toujours mes idées vraiment bonnes pis yavait pas grand chose dans le monde pour venir me dire le contraire. Je les exploitais jusqu'au bout (même si c'était pas très loin par le peu de moyen que me laissait l'âge que j'avais) mais y'avait pas de censure. maintenant j'peux avoir une idée plus brillante mais plus j'avance dedans pis moins j'suis sur de moi. le 3/4 du temps, je l'abandonne avant d'avoir essayé. ya un dicton selon lequel: "« La sagesse des vieillards, c'est une grande erreur. Ce n'est pas plus sage qu'ils deviennent, c'est plus prudent.»
j'trouve que c'est vrai. et c'est vraiment dommage. Update » Vee-Vee wrote on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:08pm si j'l'abandonne pas, j'la censure, c'est clair. j'me mets des interdits que j'me mettais pas avant. plus on connait les risques, moins on s'aventure? plus on sait c'quia déjà été fait et moins on s'aventure aussi. essayer d'avoir une idée "originale", du "jamais vu", c'est comme essayer d'inventer la roue. Update » Vee-Vee wrote on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:11pm ya les désillusions qui entrent en ligne de compte aussi. maintenant quand j'ai une idée, non seulement ya l'idée mais ya le but que poursuit l'idée qui entre en ligne de compte. avant, mes idées avaient pas besoin de poursuivre un but précis. j'pouvais me dire que là j'étais une princesse pis que j'voulais monter un spectacle pour mes parents pis mon frère pis me croire la dedans.
as i grow up i seem to become greedy with giving everything i do a sense, a meaning. and it gets in the way of creativity. Update » Vee-Vee wrote on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:16pm don't get me wrong. i'm not neutral. i just don't see a REASON for creativity as I did before. In all the fields where it is possible to be creative and have a meaning for it, per se, in design or in cinema, there seems to be a perticuliar ethique that gets in the way. and people are driven by the sense of competition and it seems to be what fuels the creativity in their minds.
i was never really a competitive person so that won't work for me... Update » Vee-Vee wrote on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:19pm Think of kids when they learn to ski. they go down the slope like crazy people because they are not aware of the risk of getting injured. I tried to learn how to ski recently and I was too scared to actually progress.
i think it works the same way for the mind... its not so much that creativity in me has died out but their seems to be a lot more obstacles in its way. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:17pm |
 Coolness: 158705 | ^ je suis d'accord avec toi vee vee.. j'avais un prof qui disait " quand vous avez l'idee du siecle pour un script, il y a au moin 8 autres personnes sur la planete au meme moment qui ont la meme.."
je crois que la creativite se passe dans l'action. perso, quand j'etais enfant j'avais peut-etre plus de pensee creatrice mais plus je vieillis plus je met mes idees en action pour vraiment etre productive. plus on age plus on a les moyens de produire aussi ... translation for caro in case she doesn't have a clue what i says: i believe that creation happen in action. personally when i was kids i had maybe more creative tought but more i get old more i put my idea together for beeing productive and in action.. for sure when we're older we have more skills and ressources for accomplish something.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:18pm |
 Coolness: 685560 | I think it's both, but the majority lose their creativity with age. The older you get, the more ingrained the concept of "coloring inside the lines" gets, though mostly subconciously. You'll see young children draw people with blue or green skin, cars with wings that can fly, and playing with toys and making up their own games with their own rules as they go along. The older they get, the more they get "taught" that skin can't be colored blue or green, that cars can't fly, that their toys are just pieces of plastic and aren't really going on adventures, and that destroys a person's imagination. Everything they enjoyed, everything they had fun with, was "wrong", so they try to do more things "right" and the way they're told things are suposed to be.
There are very few people who, as they get older, manage to keep (and much less expand on) their childhood creativity and imagination, and the ones that do don't usually come off as the most mentaly balanced individuals, which tends to lead to lots of depression (as they live in a world that "just doesn't understand" them) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vee-Vee replied on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:24pm |
| Coolness: 96190 | yeah its what i meant by "ethique", Screwhead. ur right.
caro will understand me on that point. when i was studying graphic arts, one of the major turn-offs that made me quit was the fact that the "éthique" was so rigid. you had to have a PERFECT presentation with ur projects (angle de 45 degrés pour les maquettes et tout le kit)... and i kept thinking to myself: "what does my client CARE if my presentation is perfect if my idea is good? wouldnt he rather know that i can sell his product and that ive work on the concept instead of having passed my entire time on the freaking presentation????" apparently not. makes no sense to me. THAT just gets in the way of my creative thinking. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:30pm |
| Coolness: 685560 | I've got the same problem with music, the more I learned about how frequencies are supposed to be and about the mastering and mixing down process, my creativity took a total nose-dive. I can't work on ideas anymore, I get one little thing down, and then spend hours tweaking it to sound and be processed "like it should", and by then I've got no ideas anymore for what to do with the little bit that I have done. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» caro replied on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:32pm |
| Coolness: 151910 | all very valid points.
and vee i totally feel your pain, i myself am very hesitant to continue studying design at the university level. but that leaves me blank, what to study next? Update » caro wrote on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:36pm and from all the valid points people have mentioned, i'm feeling slightly flustered.
i don't want to leave my world of flying cars and ridiculous ideas. i dearly hope i find a way to manage my overzealous imagination with equally obsessive levels of productivity. yay for never wanting to be a grown up...? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vee-Vee replied on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:32pm |
| Coolness: 96190 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
I've got the same problem with music, the more I learned about how frequencies are supposed to be and about the mastering and mixing down process, my creativity took a total nose-dive. I can't work on ideas anymore, I get one little thing down, and then spend hours tweaking it to sound and be processed "like it should", and by then I've got no ideas anymore for what to do with the little bit that I have done. HA! God I know what you mean. lol. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:34pm |
| Coolness: 685560 | I haven't been able to finnish a song in 2 1/2 years!!!! It's driving me insane. I've got at least 30 diffrent bits of things; some drum loops, some melodies, some basslines... but nothing really combines together to form something that sounds good! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vee-Vee replied on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:40pm |
| Coolness: 96190 | Originally Posted By CARO
and vee i totally feel your pain, i myself am very hesitant to continue studying design at the university level. but that leaves me blank, what to study next? Can you beleive that at some point I saw graphic arts as a way of being part of what makes the world beautiful? J'avais l'impression qu'en faisant ça j'allais participer à quelque chose de plus grand, que par l'esthétisme de mes créations, j'allais rendre le monde plus beau. okay. c'est hyper naif comme vision, j'en conçois. riez pas. >_< mais tout l'esprit de compétition, les maquettes, tralala.... which brings me back to.... dont you feel sometimes likes, the fact that we are by all means, creative, yes, yet it doesnt really seem to take us anywhere? if not driven by the sense of competition, where does it lead you? what meaning does it give to your actions and therefore, to ur life? Update » Vee-Vee wrote on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:44pm if you don't have a purpose, a higher reason to all this, then creativity becomes useless.
wait. i just found that... im now going to contradict myself. (hehe. sorry for that.) ma créativité est un moyen d'me rendre où j'veux aller. c'est ce qui me permet d,Imaginer toute sorte de façon d'me sortir de situations embarassantes ou difficiles, qui me permet d'obtenir satisfaction en contournant mes faiblesses sans les ignorer. dans ce sens là, oui, ma créativité est accentuée par ma connaissance des choses et de moi-même. huuum. *goes into thinking mode* Update » Vee-Vee wrote on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:45pm mais alors là..... la créativité est un moyen pour arriver à ses fins.... alors que dans l'autre cas, c'est la fin sans les moyens? quelque chose comme ça. Update » Vee-Vee wrote on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:47pm which brings me to...
Betty Haze's point is absolutely true when she says: "je crois que la creativite se passe dans l'action." |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» caro replied on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:55pm |
| Coolness: 151910 | wordddddddddd up.
for me, designs just another form of expression that i truly enjoy. whats better than gettin paid to do something i love? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vee-Vee replied on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 5:03pm |
| Coolness: 96190 | Praise those words.
if someone dares to laugh at us for being so naive i will kick them in the face. bleh. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JojoBizarre replied on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 5:28pm |
 Coolness: 294945 | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA I LAUGH IN YOUR SCREEN |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Cano replied on Mon Jul 30, 2007 @ 6:47pm |
 Coolness: 44630 | Commercial design is the art form farthest from creative freedom. You have to please a customer, not yourself.
I don't think it's age that affects creativity directly, it's experiences, your state of mind and the will to go further. So what if skin isn't supposed to be green? It never stopped all those fantasy artists to paint monsters. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Because replied on Tue Jul 31, 2007 @ 12:18am |
 Coolness: 37020 | i've thought about this many times...
and the feeling i constantly come back to, is that if (in the words of Betsy Johnson) i want to kick ass, i've got to do it now. so much genius seems to hit before the 25-30ish mark: before the brain settles into a nice comfortable single-perspective view of the world... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vee-Vee replied on Tue Jul 31, 2007 @ 2:57am |
| Coolness: 96190 | *kicks Simon's ass* |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Masa replied on Tue Jul 31, 2007 @ 3:03am |
 Coolness: 158740 | Weren't you supposed to aim for the head? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Jul 31, 2007 @ 3:05am |
| Coolness: 685560 | same diffrence! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vee-Vee replied on Tue Jul 31, 2007 @ 11:15am |
| Coolness: 96190 | he's got a point. -_-;; |
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