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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» aLxzRed replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 12:13pm |
 Coolness: 68650 | Thanks Flo,
Your a very rational person, I respect that And I enjoy learning new things. Update » aLxzRed wrote on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 12:15pm Squaring the circle
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Squaring the circle: the areas of this square and this circle are equal. In 1882, it was proved that this figure cannot be constructed in a finite number of steps with an idealized compass and straightedge. Squaring the circle: the areas of this square and this circle are equal. In 1882, it was proved that this figure cannot be constructed in a finite number of steps with an idealized compass and straightedge. Squaring the circle is a problem proposed by ancient geometers. It is the challenge to construct a square with the same area as a given circle by using only a finite number of steps with compass and straightedge. More abstractly and more precisely, it may be taken to ask whether specified axioms of Euclidean geometry concerning the existence of lines and circles entail the existence of such a square. In 1882, the task was proven to be impossible, as a consequence of the fact that pi (π) is transcendental, not algebraic; that is, it is not the root of any polynomial with rational coefficients. It had been known for some decades before then that if π were transcendental then the construction would be impossible, but that π is transcendental was not proven until 1882. Approximate squaring to any given non-perfect accuracy, on the other hand, is possible in a finite number of steps, as a consequence of the fact that there are rational numbers arbitrarily close to π. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 12:16pm |
 Coolness: 339620 | Originally Posted By ALXZRED
? You can measure 360/7 with a protractor? Clearly? Measuring infinite decimals? Clearly you are the superior of us, because I MOST certainly can not. This is the most laughable thing you've said all day. NOTHING can be measured to an infinite decimal.. infinity is an abstraction. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 12:17pm |
 Coolness: 146280 | my job compels me to be rational... hopefully but painfully enough !
you're welcome :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» aLxzRed replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 12:17pm |
| Coolness: 68650 | neoform says "who gives a shit what the 'ancients' thought. you can clearly take a protractor and measure the angles on a 7 sided figure."
this is the most laughable thing you've said all day .... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 12:20pm |
| Coolness: 339620 | Originally Posted By ALXZRED
Solved as impossible, Exactly. What this problem comes down to is solving for pi. You're asking someone to give a complete definition of an irrational number. Such a number will return an infinite number of decimal points (theoretically). Why not ask someone to measure the exact width of the universe while you're at it. In the end this 'problem' proves nothing you've been arguing today. Update » neoform wrote on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 12:21pm neoform says "who gives a shit what the 'ancients' thought. you can clearly take a protractor and measure the angles on a 7 sided figure."
this is the most laughable thing you've said all day .... Nice to see you back your statements up. I at least gave an explanation as to why it's laughable. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» aLxzRed replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 12:34pm |
| Coolness: 68650 | You said clearly you could measure a heptagon's angles with a protractor and then said I was laughable because I said it was impossible
And logically I must prove the "fact that the world is logical" wrong? The burden of proof is on you to prove that it is a fact, I do not say the world is illogic and that logic is useless. I say where is the proof that makes it a fact that the world is logical. I have nothing to prove and I await enlightenment as to who proved that existence is rational and read that proof. Update » aLxzRed wrote on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 12:47pm A fact is something that is the case. A "fact" can be defined as the state of affairs reported by a true statement[1][2]; or as a concept or statement that can be demonstrated as true according to the rules of logic or some other formal decision procedure.[3] Generally, the term "fact" is distinguishable from the terms "proposition", "claim", "averment", and "allegation" in that the latter terms (and their synonyms) suggest statements that are not necessarily demonstrably true. - wiki
So the burden of proof is on you to prove the "fact" that the universe is rational. Without proof it is not a fact. Update » aLxzRed wrote on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 12:49pm I claim the universe is not all logical, you state as a fact that it is
I have nothing to prove... You do. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 12:49pm |
| Coolness: 339620 | Do I really have to crack out a protractor, take a 7 sided figure and show you the measurements I've taken?
No, clearly you'll say "that's not recorded to infinite precision!" which is retarded since it's a shape with 7 sides, you cannot evenly divide 7 using whole numbers, nor can you get a precise measurement without estimation. Your point is wholeheartedly moot. Next you're going to say I can't count to 2 since I didn't dictate every decimal point in between 1 and 2. Why don't you go have an argument with a tree or something, I'm sure it'll give back as much as you've given me in this conversation. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» aLxzRed replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 12:54pm |
| Coolness: 68650 | LOL Update » aLxzRed wrote on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 12:59pm So you don't have any proof yet you state that it is a fact that the world is rational, and claim that I'm not being logical?
But if everything is logical, then we both must be...logical? Maybe one day you'll understand, until then, I'm the illogical one ;) I'm gonna go talk to a tree now, at least the tree won't claim it's a fact that every thing's provable only to not prove it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DrGonzo replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 1:04pm |
 Coolness: 265910 | Originally Posted By NEIJYA
Some of you people are arguing like redneck christians. i |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Raius replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:08pm |
 Coolness: 38140 | This entire conversation is funny. The use of impossible math problems only proves logic, all it indicates is we lack the knowledge to understand it yet. We've had many unsolveable math problems that as we learn more have been solved through logic, the very act of having an argument or a discussion requires the use of logic. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:12pm |
| Coolness: 339620 | Originally Posted By RAIUS
This entire conversation is funny. The use of impossible math problems only proves logic, all it indicates is we lack the knowledge to understand it yet. We've had many unsolveable math problems that as we learn more have been solved through logic, the very act of having an argument or a discussion requires the use of logic. At least someone here realizes that.. :P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DrGonzo replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:16pm |
| Coolness: 265910 | you're still here! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:17pm |
 Coolness: 226230 | yeah well these discussions rock beause they can last forever, thus giving me something to do at work. You may not realise this, But I'm the nexus of un-busy techs... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:19pm |
| Coolness: 339620 | Originally Posted By MOLOCH
yeah well these discussions rock beause they can last forever, thus giving me something to do at work. You may not realise this, But I'm the nexus of un-busy techs... apparently you haven't seen my post count. ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:25pm |
 Coolness: 178600 | ***I'm gonna go talk to a tree now, at least the tree won't claim it's a fact that every thing's provable only to not prove it.***
You know trees are fractal-made right? ;) Funny how a nonsense thread became all filled with drama... I'm guessing that's what happens with religious subjects, people take that way too seriously... What if the whole universe was a joke and made no sense at all? We find things that seem to make sense, laws that explain such or such phenomenons.. But at the end: it means nothing! *brlrlrlrlm tsssh!* Gods must be laughing their pi-shaped heads off 
N'ah, science is fun, you can explain lots of things with it. But I doubt we'll ever grasp the whole thing, understand the whole universe. I mean, we can't even know what an electron looks like (because if you try to look at it, it alters its state) And we have no means to know if there are other universes beside ours. We can still try though, it's fun to play with logic. Some theories are very cool (like string theory ^__^) But they remain theories until proven. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:28pm |
 Coolness: 152960 | HEY EVERYONE, PI STOPS TO 3.1416 IT DOESNT GO FURTHER, DIDNT YOU DO SEC 2 MATHS??
hahahaa, you guys are fun. arguing about time and space, about everything and nothing, like me arguing some religious dude that knocks to my door, its a waste of time btw that pi thing was a joke, dont jump on me! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:29pm |
| Coolness: 226230 | Really, if we grasped the concept + meaning of life. Would we not run out of stupidities?
Stupidities are fun! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DrGonzo replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:32pm |
| Coolness: 265910 | like boobs |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:35pm |
| Coolness: 339620 | Originally Posted By AERIAL_RAVER
We can still try though, it's fun to play with logic. Some theories are very cool (like string theory ^__^) But they remain theories until proven. Erm.. scientific theories don't get upgraded once "proven" they remain classified as "theories". One of the biggest misconceptions of scientific theories. A Scientific Law describes a phenomena. A Scientific Theory Explains a phenomena. Clearly an explanation will always come back to that big pie in the sky question of what created/causes it all, but that's just one larger theory like the Big Bang.. The reason people like the idea of god(s) is that it's easy. You don't need to spend an eternity trying to figure out what caused the universe, instead you just assume a big magical guy did it; and he loves you to boot. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:36pm |
| Coolness: 178600 | ***Really, if we grasped the concept + meaning of life.***
No, I think our brain would explode lol Too much infos... Or... Too much lack of infos (aka meaning of life = nothing)
Genre: "oy, what's the meaning of life?" "42" "42... 4... 2... 4...Aarrghhghhghhggggggggggg *dies*" Update » cvxn wrote on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:39pm erm, to go back to the *original* subject of this thread...
Can we have our "cultist" option in the settings now? |
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