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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Trey replied on Tue Apr 24, 2007 @ 12:42pm |
 Coolness: 102720 | forgotten i posted something in this thread...
Evolution plays a role in "morality". It's all about our "egotistic" genetics. It isn't Survival of the Fittest, it's survival of the most selfish genome you have. The choices you make are unconsciously strongly influence by your genes and wanting to survive and propagate. But, for example, if you were to volunteer for a war and sacrifice your life 'cause you believe it's for a greater cause, and you unfortunately got your arse AK all over. Then you had "bad" genes. Or genes who were too altruistic. check out these books; The Selfish Gene by R. Dawkins ( tough read tho. ) Red Queen; sex and evolution of human nature by M. Ridley Science is based on theories. Sure Superstring theory is like magic to but if that theory is wrong, then Science goes back and think of other theories. Science is observation of the Universe. As to religion, they don't have that luxury. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Apr 24, 2007 @ 3:19pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Tue Apr 24, 2007 @ 4:47pm |
 Coolness: 158190 | Haha I love this one.
I still believe in the right to worship a snake sock puppet. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Sebbal replied on Tue Apr 24, 2007 @ 8:47pm |
 Coolness: 39080 | Originally Posted By DJNEOFORM TO CONTRADICT SCIENCE IS TO CONTRADICT LOGIC. SINCE EVERYTHING IN OUR UNIVERSE CAN BE EXPLAINED THROUGH LOGICAL ANALYSIS THERE IS NO NEED FOR BELIEF OR FAITH. SCIENCE IS AN ABSOLUTE.
... I can't believe i'm actually having to defend concepts like logic. You have to defend it cause you argue like a convince believer... You believe in science just the same way religious people believe in god. As it as been said, science is based on theories, the same way religion are. You have to keep a sceptic view on everything, even (evenmost) science. And by the way, find the logic in quantum physics. Even quantum phycisist agree there are not much... It works, but there's no god damn logic in there... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Wizdumb replied on Tue Apr 24, 2007 @ 9:14pm |
 Coolness: 122265 | religion is a crutch for those who can't handle drugs |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn replied on Tue Apr 24, 2007 @ 9:16pm |
 Coolness: 178600 | I think there are things humans can't know for sure. (we are only little dimwits in the Universe...)
Like god, we can't absolutely be sure if he exists or not... It's your choice to think whatever. me I say: I don't know, I don't think I'll ever know, so while I'm alive, let's enjoy life for what it is. M'eh. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Le_D replied on Tue Apr 24, 2007 @ 9:44pm |
 Coolness: 144850 | hahaha, this is the best motivational poster ever! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» aLxzRed replied on Tue Apr 24, 2007 @ 9:56pm |
 Coolness: 68650 | Once there was half the human brain (rational) that was convinced that (logically?) all of existence was like it (rational).
K, so like half the brain accounts for the whole universe, and like what, the other half of the brain doesn't exist in another dimension or somthin' ? I don't know I'm a little lost ever since I found out that science is useless if it's not omnipotent Self confessed rationalists who worship at the altar of logic tend to have such funny beliefs. (and never seem to be very logical) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Niji replied on Tue Apr 24, 2007 @ 10:01pm |
 Coolness: 70170 | Scroll back to the thread about what we thought we knew 200, 100, 50, 20 years ago...
Logic is limited by the boundaries humans set on it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue Apr 24, 2007 @ 10:33pm |
 Coolness: 145155 | Originally Posted By DJNEOFORM
ORIGINALLY POSTED BY BASDINI MORALITY, ETHICS, HOW TO LIVE A GOOD LIFE, WHETHER A POLITICAL SYSTEM WE LIVE IN IS JUST OR NOT. ALL OF THESE THINGS SCIENCE HAS NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT, NOT EXACTLY SMALL THINGS IF YOU ASK ME... YOU'D HAVE TO BE INSANE TO THINK THERE'S NO SCIENCE BEHIND MORALITY OR ETHICS. EVOLUTION FORMED ALL OF THESE THINGS AND THERE ARE VERY OBVIOUS REASONS WHY WE THINK THINGS LIKE MURDER IS "WRONG". anyone who knows anything about anything (btw im being faceitious) knows that the only thing that can be proven are statements, for example: 1) water boils at 100 degrees Celsius 2) all football players are athletes 3) Eating babies is wrong science is fundementally discriptive, meaning only statements that report details about the world can be proven using science and it's methodology. You'll notice that statements 1) and 2) can be proven in such a fashion (the second one is actually proven using predicate logic but that's another story). However we run into a problem with the third statement because it is not descriptive it is rather prescriptive meaning that instead of describing the world as it is, it says how the world should be... interestingly enough some who have studied this notably the Vienna Circle in th 30s, and Gilbert Ryle more recently have gone as far as saying that prescriptive statements like 3) and things like "god exists" or "X is right/wrong" are literaly meaningless. Arguing, because the meaning of any statement is exactly equal to the conditions under which it is true and necesarily provable as such. likewise any esthetical statement seems to run into the same problems as our 3) statement and all other seemingly prescriptive statements. So a statement like "X is beautiful" also seems to be like 3). we may needto admit that every time we say "x is good" we are actually simply saying "i approve of x". ya so anyway...fuck you neoform you don't know nothing. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Niji replied on Tue Apr 24, 2007 @ 11:13pm |
| Coolness: 70170 | We eat babies all the time.
Veal and lamb are delicious. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Apr 24, 2007 @ 11:50pm |
 Coolness: 92220 | Originally Posted By TREY HMM.. DO YOU GUYS CONSIDERED ATHEISM TO BE A RELIGION? WHAT IS YOUR POINT OF VIEW ON ATHEISTS? ( I'M HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH A MUSLIM )
If atheism is a religion then anarchy is a new form of government! Seriously though I'd say that atheism is more of a political point of view than a spirtual one. It has to be to be true atheism anyway, otherwise it's just hypocrysy. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue Apr 24, 2007 @ 11:59pm |
 Coolness: 339620 | Originally Posted By SEBBAL
You have to defend it cause you argue like a convince believer... You believe in science just the same way religious people believe in god. As it as been said, science is based on theories, the same way religion are. You have to keep a sceptic view on everything, even (evenmost) science. And by the way, find the logic in quantum physics. Even quantum phycisist agree there are not much... It works, but there's no god damn logic in there... There really is no point to continue. You're claiming logic is a form of religion. That alone shows you haven't even bothered to crack open a dictionary and look up the word "religion". |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» aLxzRed replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 12:47am |
| Coolness: 68650 | I think "we" are claiming you take logic as a religion.
I NEED to see this logical argument that says everything is logical, otherwise it's an irrational assumption and I must assume your an ass ;) Update » aLxzRed wrote on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 12:50am I do think you believe in science as others believe in God, otherwise you wouldn't assume I'm stupid for doubting the almighty logic. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 1:04am |
| Coolness: 92220 | Science is based on observations which always have logical explanations. We still have to make the observation before we can apply logic to it. How can we apply logic to something if we don't even know what it is? We have a bunch of peices to a puzzle and as we go on building the puzzle we start to see things that don't fit so we go back and logically rearange them so that they do. So that every reaction makes sense with every outcome. Sometimes we can predict what peices we will find succesfully through logic and other times we may be using the right logic but the wrong variables. That's why only things proven from observations under controlled conditions are valid in science. Once the observation is made we use logic to figure out where it fits into the puzzle. Logic is the absolute that we use to explain science but science as we know it is not absolute. It's incomplete.
And it is a pointless argument. Update » moondancer wrote on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 1:27am I don't think we should be interchanging the words logic and science personally.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 5:31am |
 Coolness: 146280 | Originally Posted By DJNEOFORM
If there is anything in the universe that isn't provable through logical analysis, then science is entirely flawed and should be rejected as a proper means for discovery. Logic is the only means for discovery. We use tools like deduction and analysis, which are all based on logic. Fortunately enough you're not a scientist... at least, not a science-changing one. If you live in a scientific bubble, if you see everything through a logical filter, then of course your universe is reduced to a set of equations because you're supposing it beforehand. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 8:25am |
| Coolness: 339620 | This is retarded, you don't even see the flaw in what both of you are asking me to do.
You want me to prove that everything is logical. Of course for me to do that I would have to employ logic, which means I can't prove it since it's like giving a definition of something while using the thing I'm trying to define IN the definition, which in it'self kills the definition. It is not my burden to prove that everything is logical, its YOURS to prove that there are illogical things in the universe; and of course, you cannot use logic to prove it, which makes any point you make moot. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» aLxzRed replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 9:12am |
| Coolness: 68650 | Start with the fact that the word illogical exists, It would be illogical to have meaningless words.
How about like I said, Half the brain is irrational. How about infinity, that is an irrational concept. And doesn't that sound very Christian; "I know god exists, I can't prove it, can you prove he doesn't exist?" "I know everything is logic, I can't prove it, can you prove it's not true?" Your right about one thing, this is useless, you've "found" your god and look down your nose at all the infidels who dare question the ultimate power of reason" |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 9:23am |
 Coolness: 226230 | Religion is the people's opium.
Just like candy is ours... I'll have a gram of Jeebus puhleaze! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Apr 25, 2007 @ 9:23am |
| Coolness: 339620 | Originally Posted By ALXZRED
Start with the fact that the word illogical exists, It would be illogical to have meaningless words. The word itself is in fact logical. When applied to something brings out it's meaning in a logical way. The subject of the word however would be illogical; however that does not bring about anything that's actually illogical. All forces have an opposing force, which is why illogic was invented, however, that does not make illogic legitimate, in fact it simply quantifies the lack of logic, and right now you're demonstrating the lack of logic in your arguments. All arguments require communication using a common, agreed-upon language; otherwise, one cannot communicate (to either agree or disagree). Thus two participants in a debate must first share an agreed-upon way to make arguments. Any hypothesis can be tested and possibly refuted. Any position must be supported by evidence, or remain just a nice theory. Logic, like basic math (or part of it), has been developed (along with language) over centuries, as a foundation for communication. Refuting basic logic essentially means destroying the means of communication, and hence effectively ending any argument unsatisfactorily (e.g., without proper resolution). One could presumably propose to replace logic with some other (similar?) system, which could then be tested to see if it were superior to current "logic". Simply saying that logic is no good or unacceptable is mere sophistry, like saying I do not accept what you are saying, and I am taking my ball to go home. If one criticizes anything (including logic), one must propose a substitute, which can then be tested to see if it is superior. Originally Posted By ALXZRED
How about like I said, Half the brain is irrational. Completely false. The brain is composed of atoms just like everything else and operates in a predictable way. There is nothing irrational about it. Originally Posted By ALXZRED
How about infinity, that is an irrational concept. You said it yourself, it's a concept, not reality. Originally Posted By ALXZRED
And doesn't that sound very Christian; "I know god exists, I can't prove it, can you prove he doesn't exist?" "I know everything is logic, I can't prove it, can you prove it's not true?" Your right about one thing, this is useless, you've "found" your god and look down your nose at all the infidels who dare question the ultimate power of reason" When there is no evidence to support a claim, the burden is on the person making the claim to prove it. Since logic is the very foundation of our lives it's foolish to claim that it's my burden to prove it. You say logic is a religion, then I suggest you stop using logic outright. |
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