Who Thinks Bush Deserves The Death Penalty?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Wed Jan 24, 2007 @ 6:41pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mtl_mtl replied on Wed Jan 24, 2007 @ 6:42pm |
 Coolness: 55460 | exactly. some people just can't be themselves. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Jan 24, 2007 @ 7:40pm |
 Coolness: 339625 | I'm still amazed that you managed to turn a conversation about killing bush into your sexual fantasies and turn ons.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mtl_mtl replied on Wed Jan 24, 2007 @ 7:55pm |
| Coolness: 55460 | it's far more interesting / coherent than the ridiculous shit you were posting before I got turned on. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Jan 24, 2007 @ 8:33pm |
| Coolness: 339625 | Yeah, it's me who makes incoherent comments "lava fingers".. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Wed Jan 24, 2007 @ 9:14pm |
 Coolness: 509520 | Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Phoenix replied on Wed Jan 24, 2007 @ 9:39pm |
 Coolness: 81650 | Originally Posted By AMP_UP
ORIGINALLY POSTED BY __PHOENIX__ WHO HONESTLY CARES IF WE WASTE AN ARTIFICIAL SELF-RENEWING, PERPETALLY REPLICATING SUBSTANCE LIKE MONEY YOURE NOT SERIOUS DUDE!!! HE FUCKIN TOOK 49 LIVES!! I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT WHERE GOES MY TAXES AT THIS POINT... IT'S JUST THAT, IT'S NOT BECAUSE THERE IS NO REASONS NOT TO SPEND THAT MONEY ON HIM THAT WE SHOULD DO IT !!! C'MON, I'M SURE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS, IT'S LOGICAL! LOOK, HE DON'T WANT TO LIVE AMONG US, WE DON'T WANT HIM NEITHER + HE IS A SERIOUS TREAT TO US... WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR ?? SAYING THAT LIFE IS PRECIOUS AND IRREPLACABLE IS THE BEST ARGUMENT TO BE IN FAVOR OF THE DEATH PENALTY. BY SENDING KILLERS TO THEIR FINAL WALK, YOU AVOID THEM TO KILL AGAIN AND IT ALSO HAVE A DISSUASIVE EFFECT ON POTENTIAL ONES. If vengence is logic than I suppose that makes my opinion completely irrational and overly emotional but who knows, maybe society should let go of the lingering respect it has left for human life and just execute anyone who breaks any law under any circumstances whatsoever. Obviously people have an easier time reading black text on white backgrounds but sometimes we forget that every rule is written in grey ink since they're constantly subject to review and change as time goes on and those in power gain and lose their authority to modify the rules already in place. Anyways, its coincidental that I'm replying to this now because they're discussing the Pinkton trial (for 6 of the 49 victims) on CBC news and the guy is sticking to his story claiming he hasn’t killed anyone and was setup. So let's see what we've got here, no convictions, lots of media, and millions of people each providing their own speculation of what could've happened. Since you didn't witness any crime being committed and neither did I so how could we possibly come to the conclusion that he's guilty? Now I'm not going to completely insult your intelligence and say that it's not possible or even probably that he is responsible for some (if not all) of those deaths. Obviously I acknowledge the reason why one might label this man guilty however all I've really done was read a few news paper articles on paper and online, watch a television beam some light and sound into my brain from the perspective of the reporters, news agencies, media networks, law enforcement officials, and other random people involved in the case who, as I shouldn't have to remind you have credentials and/or evidence that we can't even certify… at least not yet. Everything is hearsay as far as the public is concerned and unless someone has enough forensic evidence to convict that man as the sole accountable party, and either witnessed the crimes in person as they occured or had video footage (via satellite, camcorder, or otherwise) showing the crimes as they occurred which more than one person has to authenticate in court anyways, nobody could know without a minimal shred of doubt that he was 100% responsible and should be punished accordingly as stipulated in subsection whatever. Having said that let's not neglect the minimal possibility that he was framed or had accomplices. How would you feel if he were falsly executed and you were on the jury? Would you in turn be guilty of say... criminal negligence causing bodily harm and death? Technically the entire jury could be charged and potentially convicted for neglecting to properly evaluate the evidence as carefully as the law requires it to. If we are to judge each other based on senses which can easily deceive us and a collection of speculations then we must at least not end life as a result of judgment as to do so would require accuracy no less than perfection which is impossible as we ourselves are all imperfect and socially bias. Originally Posted By MURDOCK_ROCK i don't think you have to be a hippy to see that violence doesn't solve anything and just makes things worse in just about EVERY SITUATION. fighting fire with fire just makes it alot more likely for someone to get burned. and half the time these fuckin' wars don't even end... iraq... vietnam... palestine... like fuck... whats it take to realise its just a waste of time and money that could be spent fixing more important problems like the environment and making other scientific advances?
Agreed. Violence should always be the last alternative when dealing with any situation. Despite being a primitive behavioral act (which often evolves into a pattern sometimes more noticeable than others) amongst loss evolved species, it’s an action which results directly from fear and panic. People always try to use the argument that violence and murder are “natural” which of course doesn’t mean anything beyond the fact that it’s been in existence for a long period of time. At least that’s my interpretation, there’s no implication stating that it’s still essential for our own survival as individuals or as a species. We all remember Woody back in Oliver Stones masterpiece Natural Born Killers talking about how “…all of God’s creatures do it” which, in the mind of a psychopathic serial killer might give them all the justification they need to feel no remorse. I found it interesting that he (Woody) expresses regret for the killing the Native American, (which one could describe as accidental although according to the law being under the influence of any drug would never excuse you for committing murder), that it was purely a metaphor for Quentin to create awareness about his own sympathy for Native Americans who were slaughtered and pillaged centuries ago. Unfortunately most tribal societies in North America are given minimal (if any) support from state, provincial, and federal governments and it’s been that way ever since the land was first conquered by the Europeans. Of course any suspicion of Mickey’s compassion for human life beyond the only one he loves (excluding even himself) is eliminated when he betrays Wayne who was readily prepared to leave his life behind and ally with savagery for the couple’s cause, or even more selfishly, to save his own life. Natural. You’ve got to love that word. Merriam-Webster defines it fist with: ‘based on an inherent sense of right and wrong (natural justice)’ which, as Zed carefully points out below is as arbitrary as one’s own opinions moral flexibility to act on those opinions followed by a bunch of equally arbitrary definitions described as vaguely as possible. The truth is that they all say everything and nothing simultaneously. I like 5,10 (b), 12, and 13 because I feel they’re the least circumstantial which makes them most accurate. Number 15 is hilarious and disgusting at the same time: ‘Of an off-white or beige color’. I’m no professor but isn’t that implying skin color making it completely racist? Doesn’t that imply that other colors are therefore unnatural and therefore inherently wrong? After reading that who wouldn’t consider writing a letter to the rich white men who wrote and published word definitions in dictionaries about their subliminal contribution to the perpetuation of racial profiling, cultural inequality, and ethnic discrimination in modern society… And getting back to Woody’s “God argument” I just don’t think it holds water especially in the eyes of a someone who would consider themselves a true religious believer. If God existed as a supreme entity could you really praise it for consciously willing violence amongst its all of it’s creations? Wouldn’t it be fair to assume that God (in all It’s mysterious capacity) could and would find a simple alternative (as far as having God-like powers are concerned) like providing a much larger environment or near-infinite resources for all living organisms so that we might coexist without the need to dominate one another as available resources would greatly exceed their potential greed. Originally Posted By AlienZeD Why would you go to court if you're pleading guilty? There wouldn't be a trial, just a verdict and a sentencing. I guess, that would happen IN court, but surely you see my point. You guys are all forgetting the most basic truth of life that you really should accept before saying anything or judging anyone. Fuck the laws and the constitutions and right and wrong and good and bad and moral and immoral. Every single living being is free to do whatever they want, that freedom stops when one or many other beings stop him/her. Laws are not preventative, they are in place to determine the method for punishing individuals who break them. Freedom of speech is not a right, it's a fact. Freedom of action is a fact, because you can't stop anyone from doing anything unless you physically get in their way (hence WAR!!!). Yes, there are consequences to our actions but that, in no way, stops us from performing them if we don't care about the consequences or believe we will get away with it. Bush is not a murderer, yes, he has blood on his hands but his intentions were not those of a criminal even though his actions were. Law is relative and law is subject to interpretation. Besides, killing Bush would achieve nothing but a much more vehement declaration of war against the perpetrators who killed him. Violence solves nothing, but worse, it is a downward spiral. AND furthermore, nothing solves anything because one person's loss is a another person's gain, one person's solution becomes another's problem and so on. Think about it.
I’m glad you brought this point because laws (not to be confused with the term “Natural Laws” used to define things like gravity which exist on a universal scale) are synonymous with guidelines. One cannot deny that guidelines alone don’t dictate all human behavior. There is never any reassurance that people who are unpredictable and exist within environments or societies which create and enforce their sets of rules and regulations (which are always subject to change over time anyways) cannot, or will not (according to their own free will to make choices) commit an action that is absolutely avoidable, preventable by the law because they are viewed as morally wrong or unjust by the majority of society or those in power who enforce it’s regulations. Even from a Darwinistic point of view it’s not fair to say that survival and evolution were ever even dependant on violence as a major influential factor. People don’t have to be right to be righteous and civilizations need not necessarily be civilized. True freedom is the freedom to express oneself. No law made by humanity could ever take that away. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Wed Jan 24, 2007 @ 11:28pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mtl_mtl replied on Wed Jan 24, 2007 @ 11:31pm |
| Coolness: 55460 | Originally Posted By SCOTTYP
Can you sum that up in one sentence, I am too lazy to read all of the above reply. Please don't mention man pecks. man pecs are the only thing keeping this thread alive! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Jan 24, 2007 @ 11:43pm |
| Coolness: 339625 | unlike your witty banter. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Thu Jan 25, 2007 @ 12:14am |
| Coolness: 509520 | BURN!!! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Bad_Chemistry replied on Thu Jan 25, 2007 @ 12:49am |
 Coolness: 73045 | I don't think he should get the death penalty...
I think him and his whole crew should be forced to fight along side his troups, then decided whether or not the war is still worth it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Thu Jan 25, 2007 @ 1:14am |
| Coolness: 339625 | Originally Posted By DMTIO
I don't think he should get the death penalty... I think him and his whole crew should be forced to fight along side his troups, then decided whether or not the war is still worth it. you mean allow bush to kill more iraqis? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Bad_Chemistry replied on Thu Jan 25, 2007 @ 1:21am |
| Coolness: 73045 | I doubt he's intelligent enough to figure out how to turn the safety off his gun. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Thu Jan 25, 2007 @ 12:58pm |
| Coolness: 509520 | Originally Posted By DMTIO
I doubt he's intelligent enough to figure out how to turn the safety off his gun. True, but knowing the US army, their guns most likely don't have safety switches. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Thu Jan 25, 2007 @ 3:55pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Thu Jan 25, 2007 @ 4:15pm |
| Coolness: 509520 | and pretriggered shooting. Shoot first, ask questions later
or rather. Shoot first, don't ask questions. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Thu Jan 25, 2007 @ 5:46pm |
| Coolness: 158695 | today at work i watched "THAT'S MY BUSH!" from trey parker and matt stone. not excellent, not that bad.. have it's funny moments..
it's still very incredible how in the sarcasm this guy can be "sympathique" in a sitcom for american public.. i don't believe in death penalty. but if i was, i would think that he should be kill by the autority in place. IT'S JUST TOO EASY to blame bush for all.. yeah yeah i know, he's an asshole, that's for sure. but he's part of a SYSTEM who encourage everything in that sens. it's like fucking terrorisme.. kill 1 and 10 are going to replace the fucker. maybe before killing a human we should try to kill the system?? but hey,it's make us feel so much better to kill one man! PS:THAT WAS NOT MY PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW. it was my citizen point of view. u kill my husband, my mom, my dad, my brother,..ect i fucking kill u by MYSELF.. a la comando speciale.. genre, i slithe ur throat and u souffer and u die. believe me i'm one psycho like a real psychokiller. ps2: I |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Fri Jan 26, 2007 @ 2:41pm |
| Coolness: 509520 | "i don't believe in death penalty. but if i was, i would think that he should be kill by the autority in place."
should or shouldn't? GENERAL COMMENTARY: How can you blame the president of a democratic society. Every single American is to 'blame' for what happened and is still happening. If you can't take responsibility, then you're in denial. Voting is a right for a reason, whether you voted democrat or republican, your representatives are in congress, voting based on what they believe YOU want. Accept the truth, accept responsibility. And for the last time, Bush is not murdering civilians, the American and several other nation's armys are attempting to provide peace in the middle east, either give me proof to the contrary or realize that you're paranoid. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Amp_Up replied on Fri Jan 26, 2007 @ 3:07pm |
 Coolness: 83295 | "Attempting to provide peace in the middle east..."
Bush's system got you to as i can see... Yes he is responsible! He took USA's guides, he has lots of responsabilities... Belong to Encarta, here's the 3 main lines describing his role: - Chief executive officer of the federal government - Leader of the executive branch - Commander in chief of the armed forces The Bush's system is very well established since Papa-Bush made it to the White House (Son W has won 2 campaigns with less vote than his opponents...  ), he is controling the public opinion with medias and many more strategies we can even imagine...
May I suggest you 2 very interesting movies, V for Vandetta and Farenheigt 9/11... yes, they're just movies, not proof... I don't pretend I can show you the truth, but I know i'm far from being paranoid when I see soldiers fighting so petrolium companies can establish their refineries and plants... But you must think it's just legal economic activities goin'on out there... with military forces to ensure security for red cross and maybe some petrolium workers... not to forget they're establishing peace by the rocket launch... |
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