Hooray For Hate: Why "tolerance" Has Bec
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Unknown User replied on Tue Feb 4, 2003 @ 7:49pm |
 Coolness: 220 | the circle of hate is a powerful thing.
you just can`t get all emotional and shit. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente replied on Tue Feb 4, 2003 @ 7:55pm |
 Coolness: 299465 | actually the do in your first course of philosophy in cegep |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Wed Feb 5, 2003 @ 7:53pm |
| Coolness: 148955 | ok... how about this?
what if i said I hate black people? what does this prove? what does this say about the logic of my argument that black people just plain suck? nothing. logic and the nature of language and the educational system have nothing to do with the fact that violence is wrong *waits for ben to say that my argument is a logical fallacy*. violence is wrong. it solves nothing. you wanna go philosophical? Immanuel Kant, a great German philosopher, postulated a (many) Categorical Imperative, that dictates the morality of an action. If it passes the "test" it is moral, if it does not, then it aint! Let's see how hitting ian in the face without motive fits in. One of his many Categorical Imperatives (he claimed that tehy were all the same, but written differently) went as such: 'Act only in such a way as you would see fit for everyone to act.' Now, is violence good or bad? Should everyone be violent? Let's see how that would work out........... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mindset replied on Wed Feb 5, 2003 @ 10:14pm |
| Coolness: 52685 | kant is my boy, and if you ever came by the memf philosohpy section, u'd see some maaaaad brawls up in that shit when i'm trying to bust out some humian bs.
ok... how about this?
what if i said I hate black people? what does this prove? what does this say about the logic of my argument that black people just plain suck? nothing. afroka, that's not the point - if you're referring to the actual ARTICLE this thread is about. the point is to say NIGGER. you know, you're a fucking nigger. nter's a fucking nigger, and ian could only wish he was a nigger. spooky's got some maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad nigger potential. doing that weaken's the power of the word nigger on a microcultural level (us reading this thread) and contributes to the weakening of its power on the macrocultural level (everyone) basically, we're slowly disarming the word nigger. so that it can no longer be used as an emotional weapon against an innocent black kid on his way to school. ( this was done successfully by the faggots to the word 'queer' ) logic and the nature of language and the educational system have nothing to do with the fact that violence is wrong *waits for ben to say that my argument is a logical fallacy*.
this has nothing to do with the ARTICLE in question. this is ian's personal issue with me. he can email me, message me, WHATEVER, but why does this have to be in a thread that has nothing to do with him... and indeed, a thread in the ARTICLES section? come on afroka. violence is wrong. it solves nothing.
well, as an absolute statement, you are wrong. if someone crosses a clear line, there is no other option. for you, i would suggest you walk into your house to witness your mom being raped - ( ? ) for scotty p, nter continuing to antagonize him after being told to stop. for me, neoform continuing to antagonize me after I CLEARLY told him that i found his behavior fundamentally unaccecptable as a human being. ( when i told him that he responded (on the phone) "whatever you say... ADDICT!" it's like he was relishing in his debasement. ) you wanna go philosophical? Immanuel Kant, a great German philosopher, postulated a (many) Categorical Imperative, that dictates the morality of an action. If it passes the "test" it is moral, if it does not, then it aint!
Let's see how hitting ian in the face without motive fits in. i had my motive, the postulate is passed. One of his many Categorical Imperatives (he claimed that tehy were all the same, but written differently) went as such:
'Act only in such a way as you would see fit for everyone to act.' that's jesus's line, and that postulate was refuted by Jean-Paul sartre. the classic "do onto others as you would have done on to yourself." well, what if i was a masochist? what if i ENJOYED being punched in the face? the correct postulate should be "only act in such a way that ......." and the blank must be filled by a complex moral system that balances the wants and needs of the individual and society. Now, is violence good or bad? Should everyone be violent? Let's see how that would work out...........
i think that Kant and Sartre would both quickly point out that violence (an action) cannot inately be good or bad. it is its application that is good or bad. ( much like pissing. pissing in a urinal is generally good, while pissing in someone's face is generally bad. ) the application of violence as the sole solution to stopping something that is morally unacceptable cannot be seen as morally wrong. Kant would encourage you to run into the house and most violently stop that man from raping your mother. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mdc replied on Wed Feb 5, 2003 @ 10:37pm |
| Coolness: 148955 | yes, violence would be in order to solve my mother's rape, but that would be justified since the rapist dictated to me the way he sees fit for humans to act, and therefore approves of violence, so i can be violent all i want...
if he uses violence, he's saying he's fine with violence and that anyone can be violent with him... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mindset replied on Wed Feb 5, 2003 @ 10:55pm |
| Coolness: 52685 | there's an escalating nature to that argument, where you have to define what violence is, and then the definition of violence becomes the actual debate.
i have to go out now and meet up with some other junkies so we can go shoot up some drain cleaner, but i will post later on that tomorrow. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Feb 5, 2003 @ 11:16pm |
 Coolness: 339805 | "whatever you say... ADDICT!"
i never said that.. |
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