Weird Question For All Producers
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente replied on Sun Nov 19, 2006 @ 6:21pm |
 Coolness: 299335 | My biggest problem with producing is always that I cannot finish a song because I am so scared of making my music too repetitive. But in electronic music, how many times can you loop a 16 beat sequence before people start getting annoyed by it? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bob_ replied on Sun Nov 19, 2006 @ 6:26pm |
 Coolness: 102215 | je me suis toujours poser cette question la heheh
jamais trouvé de réponse par contre... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente replied on Sun Nov 19, 2006 @ 6:30pm |
| Coolness: 299335 | ptête on devrait faire des test. genre faire un party pis mettre des tounes avec différentes quantités de loop pis faire des statistiques dépendant de la réaction dla crowd. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» volo replied on Sun Nov 19, 2006 @ 7:05pm |
 Coolness: 40880 | depends on the music and the listener...
don't forget music itself is repetition. all music of all kinds, repeats in various forms. even the craziest jazz musician ever will have something that brings it together. in regards to the listener...dancers can take a lot more repetition than you could imagine...research some of the trance inducement, shamanic drumming, all that kind of thing is very interesting. Nothing like seeing a crowd mesmerized by a simple 4/4 beat at 4am going strong to the simplest techno (good one derrick carter) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bob_ replied on Sun Nov 19, 2006 @ 7:06pm |
| Coolness: 102215 | j'imagine que ca doit être le contexte de la toune ou c'est quoi la mélodie etc...
j'veux dire, si j'aime la track... se serait drole faire des tests heheheh |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Nov 19, 2006 @ 7:13pm |
 Coolness: 685600 | I've been taking the same thing into consideration on the new stuff I've started working on. I think that it's usually pretty acceptable in most forms of electronic music with the exception of crazy breakcore/idm/glich stuff. People need some kind of repetitiveness, it's prevalent in pretty much every form of music. It adds some structure for people to latch onto. Work with similar arangements as rock/metal/pop; verse/bridge/chorus-structure, just add an intro/outro for mixing purposes. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente replied on Sun Nov 19, 2006 @ 7:24pm |
| Coolness: 299335 | so whats the magic number fred? i need to know |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Sun Nov 19, 2006 @ 7:40pm |
| Coolness: 685600 | There's no real magic number.. If it starts to get too repetitive for you, change it up! Then again, sometimes such incredibly bad and repetitive stuff comes out it's amazing that people would even release it.. S-bag comes to mind.. It's 1 loop with 2 fills total. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Bad_Chemistry replied on Sun Nov 19, 2006 @ 8:01pm |
 Coolness: 73095 | I dunno, I ask myself the exact same question all the time. Lately I've been changing my shit up alot more often and it seems to work out pretty often... I guess it all depends what your building towards or what the melody is exactly.
I usually just change thigns up when I get bored of them. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente replied on Sun Nov 19, 2006 @ 9:04pm |
| Coolness: 299335 | the problem is that I get bored really quickly. One loop will annoy me. So I do not know what people can generally tolerate. Update » El_Presidente wrote on Sun Nov 19, 2006 @ 9:04pm Maybe we should get steve lalla to ask that question to all the big producers he interviews. They might have a more technical answer to this. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» volo replied on Sun Nov 19, 2006 @ 9:43pm |
| Coolness: 40880 | the magic number is 23.
wait a minute, you're a dj....you can count can't you? solve it for the more lazily inclined. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente replied on Sun Nov 19, 2006 @ 9:56pm |
| Coolness: 299335 | id say more around 4. And why wouldn't I be able to count? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Bad_Chemistry replied on Sun Nov 19, 2006 @ 10:30pm |
| Coolness: 73095 | I think the trick is making it sound as if your not actually looping anything |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Sun Nov 19, 2006 @ 11:59pm |
 Coolness: 509570 | Magic number = 8 bars.
That's it in psytrance anyway, but different aspects of the song will need differing patterns. The Bass kick for example never really goes off 1/4 percussive synths are looped smaller while synth have the longest patterns, along with complicated basslines |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente replied on Mon Nov 20, 2006 @ 2:00am |
| Coolness: 299335 | alien_zed: I was talking about music, not psytrance! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Mon Nov 20, 2006 @ 2:13am |
 Coolness: 201235 | my problem is when the music is not repetitive enough... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Mon Nov 20, 2006 @ 11:36am |
| Coolness: 509570 | Originally Posted By EL_LEADER_MAXIMO
alien_zed: I was talking about music, not psytrance! lol, my bad |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Mon Nov 20, 2006 @ 1:33pm |
 Coolness: 83885 | i find things start sounding too electronic if you quantise too much...
i also agree with freds comments on using formula's takin' from real music. one thing that anoys me is how electronic "breakdowns" usually consist of a giant "build up" as opposed to an actual breakdown like you would hear in pop music where the whole vibe changes.. does that make any sense? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Nov 20, 2006 @ 1:35pm |
| Coolness: 685600 | well, if it's not quantised, then it's gonna be pretty unmixable.. Try mixing live drummers  |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Mon Nov 20, 2006 @ 2:20pm |
 Coolness: 153015 | 4 is a good number, but it changes track by track, and by style too, there is tech/house wich is almost 5:00 of the same non-stop beat...
but with 4 sequences of 16 beats (wich mean aprox. 0:22 @ 175 bpm) is the classic way, because most of the vocal is structured like this anyways, but still depend on the track/style, im used to do trance paterns...(happyhardcore, nu style gabber, freeform, trance, hardtrance, ect...) wich are mostly 4 sequences of 4 bars ...(64 beats) and tech/house/non melodic stuff is usually way longer ... so it really depends on the style you are making, the track itself, and of course the producer... because its you who are producing the track, not the people who dances! |
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