What Is Karma?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DonLouis replied on Wed Aug 30, 2006 @ 12:50pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bodkin_van_horn replied on Wed Aug 30, 2006 @ 1:59pm |
 Coolness: 40125 | OK - so if "you did something bad so now you will have bad karma" according to your definition that is like saying..."if you did something bad so now you will have bad CAUSE AND EFFECT" you're using the term karma incorrectly.
If what you truly mean is "you did something bad so now you will have bad effects"....prove it to me. And who or what presides over this magical rule? And your analogies are off base "my parents caused me but are not me" is nothing to do with what I am saying. Here is an analogy.... I am a human (this is true)...but I am made up of cells, molucules and atoms that make me a humun (this is also true). Both are true but one is looking more deeply as to what a human is. What you are saying is Karma is cause and effect...OK true...but I am saying the deeper meaning and the root of this is volition. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Wed Aug 30, 2006 @ 2:16pm |
 Coolness: 83885 | no...
your just using the term cause and effect incorectly... karma just means that you "fate or destiny" is determined by cause and effect... in laymans terms... if you do bad things to ppl... according to karma ppl will do bad things to you... and it goes a little deeper into incarnation... ie. if you live your life as a bad person... expect to pay for it in your next life. why you gotta make it more complicated than it is? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed Aug 30, 2006 @ 2:17pm |
 Coolness: 92275 | okay and you are right to say so, it can be both things. Therefor we can't say that karma is NOT cause and effect. To say that we ARE molucules and cells would not be incorrect but it would be incorrect to say that we are not humans because we are molecules and cells. Therefor you cannot deny that karma is cause and effect even if it is also volition. You cannot say that anymore than you can say we aren't humans because we are cells. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Wed Aug 30, 2006 @ 2:26pm |
| Coolness: 83885 | you guys are retarded... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bodkin_van_horn replied on Wed Aug 30, 2006 @ 2:44pm |
| Coolness: 40125 | prove this Murdock_Rock... "if you do bad things to ppl... according to karma ppl will do bad things to you..."
Karma is not a mystical rule or law. Absolutely not. "why you gotta make it more complicated than it is?" is what was propably said to the ones that went out and discovered the world was round . Don't go deeper into this if you don't want...but that doesn't mean there isn't more to it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed Aug 30, 2006 @ 3:07pm |
| Coolness: 92275 | No karma is not a mystical rule or law, it's a natural and factual rule of law that exists independant of human beings. Karma does NOT mean people will do bad things to you if you do bad things to them, it is much more fundamental than that. We're talking about the very base levels of science and logic here before you even start to consider living things there is karma. Karma mean that what goes up must come down. It means(not to get all fightclub)for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. It means balance. It's the reason that you feel liek shit after popping a pill, it's the reason you lose the respect of your friends after starting fights, it's the reason you lose their trust when you lie. It's not revenge, it's not mystical. It's more fundamental than 1+1 = 2. It's the reason we are born, it's the reason the world turns. It is the reason that there is life on this earth, it is every interaction that created it. You're way off dude. Update » moondancer wrote on Wed Aug 30, 2006 @ 3:11pm there's a big difference beetween revenge and consequence. I don't even have to be mad at you or even care about what you say but if you insult me you will make yourself look like an ass. That is a consequence. If I were to punch oyu in the face for insulting me, that would be revenge and the consequence of the revenge that I took on you would be me looking like an ass and feeling like one too. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Aug 30, 2006 @ 3:08pm |
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Lady don't hurt me.... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed Aug 30, 2006 @ 3:13pm |
| Coolness: 92275 | karma is not an object a being or a feeling, it is reaction itself. YES it does LITERALLY translate from Sanskrit to action/reaction/act. LITERALLY. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bodkin_van_horn replied on Wed Aug 30, 2006 @ 3:38pm |
| Coolness: 40125 | hey moondancer...I think the trouble with literal translations from Pali or Sanskrit to English is that much of the meaning of the original terms are lost. Just like the term Dukka which is often mis-interpreted to simply mean "suffering" but it has a much deeper meaning than that. Would you agree? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Wed Aug 30, 2006 @ 3:51pm |
| Coolness: 83885 | usually when ppl say "prove this" they follow it with some sort of hypothesis... not an "out of context" quote...
you asked for the definition to a word... i gave it to you from a DICTIONARY!!! you are not discovering the real meaning to the word... you are mearly looking too deeply into the words definition. the word "love" for example might mean hugs and kisses to YOU... but might might mean spankings and hand cuffs to someone like me your not wrong for looking deeper into the words meaning... but your not right for discrediting its definition. and if you got a better definition... POST IT!! and stop with philosophical hippie nonsense!!! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bodkin_van_horn replied on Wed Aug 30, 2006 @ 4:25pm |
| Coolness: 40125 | this is way too deep for you sir.
I am impressed that you used a dictionary though. WOW, GOOD FOR YOU! Would you like a scratch and sniff sticker or a sparkly star sticker? Where did I ask for a straight up definition? I asked for what it meant to others...and I posted what it meant to me. Calling it "philosophical hippie nonsense" makes you transparently ignorant of the subject. So leave the discussion to others or if you want to learn something read what people post and ask questions. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Wed Aug 30, 2006 @ 4:29pm |
 Coolness: 2603995 | Your supposed to ask if he wants a medal... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Wed Aug 30, 2006 @ 4:45pm |
 Coolness: 158745 | - Karmacoma, jamaica and Roma. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bodkin_van_horn replied on Wed Aug 30, 2006 @ 5:00pm |
| Coolness: 40125 | What do you think this medal should be for? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK replied on Wed Aug 30, 2006 @ 6:18pm |
| Coolness: 83885 | the only karma i care about is the karmasutra...
who's down for a love in? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bodkin_van_horn replied on Wed Aug 30, 2006 @ 7:41pm |
| Coolness: 40125 | Originally Posted By MURDOCK_ROCK
and it goes a little deeper into incarnation... So what is incarnation Murdock_Rock? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Thu Aug 31, 2006 @ 3:15am |
 Coolness: 509570 | karma is like luck and santa claus |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Thu Aug 31, 2006 @ 9:16am |
| Coolness: 92275 | I don't know what Dukka means, I never even heard the word before but if you ask me I would say that karma applies to beings with no will or volition. From my viewpoint it is all reactions and even a rock is subject to it. But it is usually used in a very human and moralistic sense and this is the way that you see it. What seems like a deep analysation to you seems like a simplification to me. It's really about what perspective you chose to define it from but I still don't think it's correct to refer to something by its cause. If dukka means suffering than that is exactly what I would consider it's meaning. I might analyse what causes the chaos that causes the suffering but it wouldn't redefine it. If the meaning of a word kept on changing than no one would be able to analyse it or each analysation would be different and misunderstood. Having a philosophy on that which the word defines is one thing, redefining it another. Even then I don't limit my scope of anything to human beings because I don't think our emotions and morality says much about the greater scheme of things except that those emotions react and sway the way everything else in the world does, in the karmic way, and I think the world around humans can make me understand humans more than humans can make me understand the world around them. Maybe if I was religious I would feel different but I don't believe in everything being a gods concsious will. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bodkin_van_horn replied on Thu Aug 31, 2006 @ 11:25am |
| Coolness: 40125 | I think I understand what you are getting at MOONDANCER
...but let's go back to what you said early and this is what I am trying to do... Originally Posted By MOONDANCER
No karma is not a mystical rule or law, it's a natural and factual rule of law that exists independant of human beings. Karma does NOT mean people will do bad things to you if you do bad things to them, it is much more fundamental than that. We're talking about the very base levels of science and logic here before you even start to consider living things there is karma. Karma mean that what goes up must come down. It means(not to get all fightclub)for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. It means balance. It's the reason that you feel liek shit after popping a pill, it's the reason you lose the respect of your friends after starting fights, it's the reason you lose their trust when you lie. It's not revenge, it's not mystical. It's more fundamental than 1+1 = 2. It's the reason we are born, it's the reason the world turns. It is the reason that there is life on this earth, it is every interaction that created it. You're way off dude. See you are trying to discribe what karma is. You have a meaning that isn't just "cause and effect". So what I am saying karma is not just "what goes up must go down" that is the law of gravity. If you go into space the same thing doesn't apply. "For every action there is on equal and oppisite reaction" this is Newtons 3rd law of physics.....and so forth. What I am saying here is the basis of karma is VOLITION or WILL (not other physical laws). I understand your need to try and describe it by saying "it's like taking a pill" but no it's not that at all. NO. It's a desire to do something that brings about positive or negative reactions. And if you go back I never asked for a simple definition or translation of the word Karma...I ask what it means. And I don't think it should be thrown around (like calling bottled water Karma "A drink that give you nothing but good back") and used without it's true understanding and meaning. |
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