The Lowest Form Of Music...
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 2:44am |
 Coolness: 282440 | Yeah why would you say something like that, Dave? At least Reggie makes music, and fuckin genuine, breakthrough music at that...there's actually TOO much garbage being mistaken for good music out there these days. People like Scott Storch and Pharell, makes me fucking sick watching Paris Hilton get away with making that album and people actually buying it...why not bring something genuine to the table first then talk shit about other people's music? Like I said at the beginning of this thread in 2006, the proof is in the pudding. Reggie has a point when he says over produced top 40 radio jams get on his nerves, you ever had to listen to Mix 96 or any pop station at work all day long? You start having homicidal thoughts about Aqua and The Venga Boys after a while, so calm your nerves boyo. Update » greatjob wrote on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 3:12am And it's not to say you don't bring something genuine to people in Music, but your going down the same road everyone else did complaining about sounds, musical tones dude...thats all this is, a guitar always sounds the same but anyone can say the same thing about a freeform or hardcore kick and clap...sounds fucking cheesy and gay, and it doesnt take a fuckin genuis to program that...it takes someone with an actaul basic knowledge of instruments to become a producer, so where were we going with this again?
Yeah techno can suck, but so can DNB, and every other genre of music. And don't worry, Repent Tokyo is just jealous that nobody listens to his generic garbage music anymore, but that's what happens when your ego inflates to the size of a fucking giant dildo...you end up alone and sticking that dildo in your own ear. *applause* Oh well. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Level13 replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 8:52am |
 Coolness: 44380 | Hmm Im not the one bitching about sounds here. tbh I respect every instrument and realize that they each, produce their own sound and you cant do much to change the general sound of the instrument (band instruments , orchestra's , etc). I spun it this way to show you how you're sounding right now. Its just like a drummer and his drum kit. It will be the same kick drum sound , same snare, same crash on the whole album of a cd. Ill stop there cus I do realize that you have mistaken creativity with production .
Production and creativity are TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS in the production world. There is NOTHING wrong with wanting mint quality. And theres nuthing worse then a wicked track, poorly produced (youll be rejected by any label). Your mad about the creativity of music ... bitching about its production is dumb and nonsense. poor writing gets on your nerves and it does to me too man but you cant be mad at quality lol thats nonsense.... no one wants to eat a half rotten banana. Dont forget times always change and we wont always get or even be into whats "hot" today. I myself am a freeform producer yes, but I think outside the box, creatively. I dont sound like anyone in freeform and im sure you're not accusing me of creative problems or am i on you guys. But yes it takes talent to write any type of catchy music no matter what the genre is ... come on guy. Sure its not hard to make percussion in hardcore BUT you can tell the ones that put more focus on making a groove and making it drive your tune perfectly, isn't walk in the park either. percussions in techno is the same as in bands. yua just gotta write a groove in percussions like like you would with a synth. but a lot of people do this half assed or you could be half assed in other departments too ...like production quality and reggie ? :P jkjk Update » Level13 wrote on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 9:07am Like in happyhardcore... uk hardcore. Gammer and all that gang. Ive heard they have no interest in changing and shaping new sounds. Its just all the same type of stuff and super basic melodies every release. Sales and majority speak louder than words/opinions unfortunately. so trust me i toally understand and agree with you guys.
I sacrifice myself to dark freeform regardless of sales. music should be about the love of a style and push its boundries, not filling up your wallet. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 12:39pm |
 Coolness: 201210 | I can guaranty you will give up making freeform in a year or two, this is especially true if you are talented.
Electronic music IS NOTHING like playing in a band. Now I'm not giving myself credit here but let me compare: -I played bluegrass music with my neighbour, NOTHING LIKE ELECTRONIC MUSIC, except maybe the repetitive baseline. It's all organic guitar stuff. -I played lots of marching band style, classical, jazz in school bands when I was in high school since I went to schools where music was mandatory. NOTHING LIKE ELECTRONIC MUSIC. Drums are one case where there is a huge difference, a real drummer can lose their timing, but they can also do a lot of improvisation while they are playing. Guitar is another instrument where it can sound COMPLETELY DIFFERENT even on the exact same guitar, because of different playing styles. Electronic music doesn't have a playing style. It is basically composion mixed with engineering at the same time. There is very little human interaction with the music, especially if you are one of those people who can't play the keyboard or quantize everything. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 12:45pm |
 Coolness: 226260 | I think the best approach is to not burn down any bridges. I mean yeah, I love my ol' school RTC style gabber HC, psytrance and whatnot. But I still listen to my old EBM tracks, and good ol Suicidal tendencies, and even some new wave and shit. To me the key to "musical non-jadedness" goes thru not isolating yourself in a style or another.
My two cents. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Level13 replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 1:49pm |
| Coolness: 44380 | ya most professional producers add the human touch by years of experience , pick up techniques to do so. its exactly like writing the music on a piece of paper. what are you saying, its not good enough now ? its not music unless its physically played ?
welcome to 2007 guys... even the big huge bands use electronic elements in their music ... pink floyd ring a bell much ? hell even madonna sounds like house now.. justin timberlake with booty and electro ( ? ) hell i heard him use the cheap vanguard gated pad. and they alllll neeed an engineer to make it all happen. 90% of professional electronic artist ARE engineers already (you have to be obviously) todays vsts/hardware synths/software has 1000x more sounds than any guitar that efxs u pull on it... its like the tb303. each synth produces its own signature. like the alpha juno is known for hoovers. and there are 100s of synths out there and more everyday. sorry but the piano sounded the exact same 200 years ago and same deal with the electric guitar. at least electronica is in constant evolution. i cant say that about the vibe im getting from you guys. there is no better style or "worlds" here. they both bring its own entertainment that are equally great. this debate is stupid Update » Level13 wrote on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 1:54pm ps ; the level of quality in the audio of the movie industry, wouldnt be where it is today without "laptop nerds" your insulting. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» regimental911 replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 1:56pm |
 Coolness: 134255 | please ,almighty producer,,teach us more. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 2:19pm |
| Coolness: 201210 | I'm not insulting electronic music producers as I am one myself. But what I am saying is that you can't compare totally electronically produced sounds with actual recordings of people playing acoustic instruments. One of my favorite recordings I did in the last couple of years was a jazz singer on a grand piano which I recorded at the Oscar Peterson hall for a recording class. Just recording that well was a challenge but it was a lot of fun. It's fine to mix the two as well, but they are different worlds and you have to appreciate the complexity of an acoustic recording as well as the possibilities of electronic music.
As for movies, I have mixed views. Some of the fully orchestrated scores in older movies kick the crap out of the lame electronic music you hear in some movies. The best ones usually mix the two. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JMoney replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 3:42pm |
 Coolness: 33780 | the way i figure, a composer is like a producer. the man writes music for 12 instruments or whatever and they play what was in his head. the producer does the same thing but with a computer. it's all music. playing an instruments has more to do with your dexterity than creativeness. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Level13 replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 3:48pm |
| Coolness: 44380 | an other loser mark for regimental. you must be under 19 *rolls yes*
but nowadays synths sound as good as hardware or a guitars or anything else. you wont convince me that a guitar sounds better then a synth cus thats pretty much what your saying. its nonsense. cubase , pro tools , etc are used by most bands to produce and record music. i know you guys arnt telling me even your fav bands sound like ass cus they go through the same processes as any genre be it mainstream or electronica. i agree physical instruments sounds great without having to try. but just cus YOU couldnt pull it off on a laptop, doesnt mean its impossible. it clearly is. go to any "band" recording studio and youll find the exact same tools/software as a techno artist uses, minus the mainstream instruments, when making a track/album bjork is a great example of quality electronica mixed with physical instruments. both worlds are great. i dont understand the hate here |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» regimental911 replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 4:00pm |
| Coolness: 134255 | oh ya im a huge 16 year old loser,you hit it on the nail again .
your a genius,and should be applauded. people,a round of applause for the FREEFORM producer. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Level13 replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 4:12pm |
| Coolness: 44380 | wow
you sure are acting like a child anyway |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 4:54pm |
| Coolness: 201210 | but nowadays synths sound as good as hardware or a guitars or anything else. you wont convince me that a guitar sounds better then a synth cus thats pretty much what your saying
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» regimental911 replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 5:17pm |
| Coolness: 134255 | Originally Posted By TWISTED_FREQ WOW YOU SURE ARE ACTING LIKE A CHILD ANYWAY
you sure are acting like an asshole. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Necspress replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 5:56pm |
 Coolness: 53590 | lol host did a good job with this one. hehehe
like you had nothing to do then to dig out an almost year old thread. funny, the impact it had. :D (that includes me of cours too) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» madforbrad replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 6:24pm |
 Coolness: 44535 | Originally Posted By TWISTED_FREQ PS ; THE LEVEL OF QUALITY IN THE AUDIO OF THE MOVIE INDUSTRY, WOULDNT BE WHERE IT IS TODAY WITHOUT "LAPTOP NERDS" YOUR INSULTING.
lol what are talking about? Like this doesn't even make sense. I don't even know where to start so i won't. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» mtl_mtl replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 6:24pm |
 Coolness: 55485 | Originally Posted By TWISTED_FREQ
todays vsts/hardware synths/software has 1000x more sounds than any guitar that efxs u pull on it... its like the tb303. each synth produces its own signature. like the alpha juno is known for hoovers. and there are 100s of synths out there and more everyday. sorry but the piano sounded the exact same 200 years ago and same deal with the electric guitar. at least electronica is in constant evolution. i cant say that about the vibe im getting from you guys. don't take this the wrong way, but any fretless string instrument has an unlimited number of tones. and these tones are not stuck in the 8 notes and their associated sharps we have in western music. second, pianos didn't sound exactly the same "200 years ago". And electric guitars are less than 70 years old. third, you need to relax. There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy horatio. The idea that somehow being an engineer elevates someone over another who is "just a musician" is ridiculous, and narrowminded. and your comment about physical instruments "sounding great without having to try" is actually hilarious, because it's synthesised sound that requires absolutely no playing technique to sound good "without having to try". You've got it backwards, buddy. It takes technique and practise to make a great sound on an instrument. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» madforbrad replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 6:27pm |
| Coolness: 44535 | i think the nexus of the conversation should have more to do with what will actually get you laid more and i'm pretty sure a guitar will help a little more than a fucking vst. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 6:38pm |
 Coolness: 152990 | im telling you, the best people are not the ones who creates music with thier computer neither the ones who play a guitar...
THEY ARE THE ONE PRESSING PLAY AND CALLING THEMSELFS CLUB DJS now THATS a musician! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» madforbrad replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 6:42pm |
| Coolness: 44535 | hahahaha hell ya |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Level13 replied on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 7:35pm |
| Coolness: 44380 | actually its is easy as fuck to sound good with a phsyical instrument. when i was in school , we were all forced to place an instrument. i got the trombone for 4 years and i didnt care about trying. both my teachers begged me to join the school band. so if i didnt even care or try on the trombone, why the fuck did they ask me to join the band ?
what i said in my last post arnt really my phelosify on anything. it just is. besides how would YOU know how this works mr repent tokyo, your production/label was a total failure due to your dumb philosofies on music. id say i got it right if im still growing and you're hmmm ...i wont bother i didnt say guitars are 200 years old . i said guitars pretty much sound like a guitar since its been created. helllooo who are you fooling Update » Level13 wrote on Sat Apr 28, 2007 @ 7:38pm anyways , i got no beef with any instruments or styles. you guys do (sep a few of course) |
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