A Good Friend Died Jean-Seb
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» eLDee replied on Sun Jul 25, 2004 @ 9:18pm |
 Coolness: 120910 | Matt, find something more constructive to say coz he's 100% right.
It's all common sense you know.. the thing that most of people here barely use... oh that's right... their heads |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» eLDee replied on Sun Jul 25, 2004 @ 9:19pm |
| Coolness: 120910 | Maybe not fair but absolutely true |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» blop replied on Sun Jul 25, 2004 @ 9:39pm |
 Coolness: 200525 | excuse me eldar and phoenix, this is not the right time or place to discuss this. not in this thread, please respect jean-seb and his friends. please do not respond to my reply in this thread.
thank you. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» A_Princess replied on Sun Jul 25, 2004 @ 9:55pm |
 Coolness: 61840 | The two of u, ck yr msgs |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» A_Princess replied on Sun Jul 25, 2004 @ 10:00pm |
| Coolness: 61840 | that being phoenix and eldar |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» blop replied on Sun Jul 25, 2004 @ 10:06pm |
| Coolness: 200525 |  |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» eLDee replied on Mon Jul 26, 2004 @ 10:12pm |
| Coolness: 120910 | Sharon read your messages
and remeber.. none of you owned jean-seb, we were ALL his friends so calm your hormones a bit. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MiniBunny replied on Tue Jul 27, 2004 @ 5:29am |
 Coolness: 54280 | Reallly...eldar and Phoenix.
It's not constructive at all...it's just Shitty Talk from someone in big need of attention.... You really don't know what you are talking about... You don't know the circonstances so...both of you should just shut the fuck up...If you understand the TRUE meaning of the word 'friend' then i don't know how you can considerate to have been one of them.... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» daFTWin replied on Tue Jul 27, 2004 @ 5:31am |
 Coolness: 276430 | I haven't read any comments about anyone claiming to of "owned" jean - seb, what I see are friends who cared for and loved him sharing their grief and coping with it the best they can. Wether that be posting pictures of a beatiful person so we can remember the good times, or just publicly expressing how this has effected each of us, grief is grief, sadness is sadness no one is attempting to say they are more distraught by these events then anyone else and no one is getting out of hand. Don't forget that people deal with situations differently then others.
A complete stranger who tells a group a friends who has just lost someone they all loved and cared for that they should wonder wether or not they were there for him when someone was needed the most is uncalled for. By all means you have the right to ask yourself that question if you think you didn't help them when you could of, but if someone isnt asking for help how is anyone supposed to know they need it. I dont just mean straight out asking for it but the signs often shown when seeking help. I feel it is completly acceptable to consider (if im supposed to ask myself what I could of done more) that maybe this person cared to much about the people they loved to burden them with their problems. That this person felt they had problems that no matter what advice given or whatever steps taken to resolve these problems their life at that time seemed as though no matter what.. it couldnt offer the comfort required and no matter how much they cared it was too much. Whatever the reason... I do not think that there is anything wrong with asking yourself "Could I of done more" if you want to, but at the same time I know that there are alot of people who are just too insecure with themselves and/or some of the problems they are faced with to turn to a friend. We are all weak in our own ways. I know I am. I just feel it isnt allright to tell people who are mourning the unjust and unexplained loss of a loved one to ask themselves what they could of done more. On another note.. Jean - seb, you were trully a radient and beautiful person inside and out. Your presence and aura lifted spirits on its own, not to mention what your wittyness, humour and self did to each of us. You were so very much loved. If I could of let you known that everyday and still have you...I and everyone who loved you wouldn't be missing everything that made us enjoy you and certain things wouldnt clearly be so different and incomplete. But for me and in my heart you'll always be the same radient, beautiful funny person and for now I wont stop wishing you could of known how much you were infact loved and will always be loved. We miss you and regret that what should of been will never be. If I have said anything to offend anyone let me know and i'll get rid of it. Im not looking to start an arguement either so if you have anything to say msg me here isnt apropiate.. I just needed to get it off my chest. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Ama_ replied on Tue Jul 27, 2004 @ 9:41am |
| Coolness: 45510 | thanks katie. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PoiSoNeD_CaNdY replied on Tue Jul 27, 2004 @ 10:29am |
 Coolness: 91685 | I don't really have any right to post in this thread, because I didn't get to meet Jean-Seb. But since everyone who opens with thread will read Pheonix's post, I think its necessary to add a counterpoint.
It's so unfortunate that people let go so easily,... as if living wasn't a priviledge to begin with.
How can you possibly even think to make this statement considering you didn't even know him? How can you, Pheonix, make any judgement about the worthiness or unworthiness of "life" that isn't a projection of your own, subjective experience of life? How can you profess to ever be able to truly know the true nature of another person's conscious experience of living, even if you knew every objective, external circumstance in that person's life? I never knew him but I sympathize with his family and friends. Losing someone close is never an easy task to deal with. I simply cannot understands a person's motives when killing themselves... sure we all get depressed at times,... angry, rebellious, etc...
I think there are few people who's lives aren't filled mostly with stress, unease, and unsatisfactoriness, punctated by occasional moments of pleasure and happiness that are usually somewhere off in the future or memories of the past. Emotional pain can be greater than physical pain, and most people are at least willing to grant the option of dying to those undergoing intense physical pain. but why do something that will inevitably hurt so many people around you?
I'm sorry if this offends anyone but suicide is an act that can only be performed by a true coward. It is a very selfish conscious decision that a person makes to end their own lives. When a person doesnt even consider how that action will affect those around them they honestly don't merit any sympathy or attention... It may be seen as selfish to do something to releive one's own suffering at the expense of causing others to suffer. It may also be seen as selfish to demand that someone live their whole life in pain simply so that those around are protected from any emotional debris. there is after all always a better alternative.
Obviously he must've felt very alone and unable to discuss his troubles with his peers or family members. Those among you should evaluate whether or not you were there for him when he needed you the most... This, in my opinion, is the most troubling thing you have written. Can't you imagine the pain and agony of imagining a million different scenarios of what might have happened had a person said something different, done something different, been at a different place at a different time? To continue to play out all these scenarios in one mind is insanity. The truth is, for every given thing that happens there are always countless other imaginary possibillities of what might have happened. Yet there is only one possibility that is the REALITY of what actually does happen, at least in this world. And one can either accept reality for whatever it is, or go insane trying to fight reality for what it is. May "God" grant inner peace to those affected by this unfortunate outcome. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fukt replied on Tue Jul 27, 2004 @ 11:20am |
 Coolness: 71680 | well said dan, as always. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PitaGore replied on Tue Jul 27, 2004 @ 12:18pm |
 Coolness: 471800 | let the wisemen speak
word up Dan :) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» A_Princess replied on Tue Jul 27, 2004 @ 12:31pm |
| Coolness: 61840 | This thread should end here. I wrote to Phoenix and expressed how incredibly inapropriate his post was and said pretty much what Dan said, and Phoenix genuinely appologized. As for the other offensive comments, those are best left ignored. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fukt replied on Tue Jul 27, 2004 @ 2:29pm |
| Coolness: 71680 | nadine, posting again doesnt end the thread. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Miss_Amanda replied on Tue Jul 27, 2004 @ 2:33pm |
 Coolness: 160540 | dan hit the nail right on the head |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ashtraygirl replied on Tue Jul 27, 2004 @ 3:49pm |
 Coolness: 89480 | well done katie. the only lucid and well-thought out post in this whole thread. i echo your words and feelings one hundred percent. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cloud9ine replied on Tue Jul 27, 2004 @ 5:41pm |
 Coolness: 138715 | kafwin: great post. |
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