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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bagofhate replied on Sat Jul 7, 2012 @ 7:24pm
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you clearly don't know shit about politics or nation building

Haiti needs farms and industries to rebuild itself. Not UN tents and food rations.
Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Sat Jul 7, 2012 @ 11:58pm
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Originally Posted By BAG_OF_FUUUUUU

you clearly don't know shit about politics or nation building

Haiti needs farms and industries to rebuild itself. Not UN tents and food rations.


ignorant fool! you really are ignorant.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Sun Jul 8, 2012 @ 4:46am
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This thread is really ugly
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Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Sun Jul 8, 2012 @ 9:44am
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Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X replied on Sun Jul 8, 2012 @ 3:03pm
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Sun Jul 8, 2012 @ 11:44pm
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Originally Posted By DYNV

ignorant fool! you really are ignorant.


How is he being ignorant? I dont exactely see an intelligent counter arguement

Actually he makes a lot of sense. Haiti IS currently the poorest country in the Americas.

But considering the ignorance is coming from a group of users who also support bigorty its not surprising hehehe ;)
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Mon Jul 9, 2012 @ 2:09pm
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You're ignorant to the "free zone", which are basically the same as Vatican in Italy but in this case it's to exploit instead of evading taxes, where Haiti minimum salary isn't low enough for corporations. Did you know that Haiti were under the tenure of France then USA, which both responsibly exploited and killed population. And now, if that wasn't enough, that are making mines and hiring just a few workers to show their "good faith" ; I bet most the royalties/kickbacks for the mine will go to corruption and little for government programs, in direct contributions.

That's not considering you BS arguments of NGOs where people AND goods from the "helping" countries are sent. Basically workers are sent with privileges of 1st world nations and food at the price of 1st world nations. Instead of using the cheapest food possible and hiring workers from the devastated country, or at least have workers from other 3rd world nations sent. More than a few nations give contracts which workers are brought in that way ; that entail overhead but overall it's surely cheaper that the current situation.

NGOs are a big fucking joke to use up donor countries resources ; if they really wanted to help, they'd use the cheapest way possible which would help the most.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Mon Jul 9, 2012 @ 7:49pm
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Tue Jul 10, 2012 @ 3:46am
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Originally Posted By DYNV

You're ignorant to the "free zone", which are basically the same as Vatican in Italy but in this case it's to exploit instead of evading taxes, where Haiti minimum salary isn't low enough for corporations. Did you know that Haiti were under the tenure of France then USA, which both responsibly exploited and killed population. And now, if that wasn't enough, that are making mines and hiring just a few workers to show their "good faith" ; I bet most the royalties/kickbacks for the mine will go to corruption and little for government programs, in direct contributions.

That's not considering you BS arguments of NGOs where people AND goods from the "helping" countries are sent. Basically workers are sent with privileges of 1st world nations and food at the price of 1st world nations. Instead of using the cheapest food possible and hiring workers from the devastated country, or at least have workers from other 3rd world nations sent. More than a few nations give contracts which workers are brought in that way ; that entail overhead but overall it's surely cheaper that the current situation.

NGOs are a big fucking joke to use up donor countries resources ; if they really wanted to help, they'd use the cheapest way possible which would help the most.


Finally an intelligent answer

Although I would argue there are plenty of "good" NGOs, I'd also like to know where all the charity money went from the earthquake
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue Jul 10, 2012 @ 10:33am
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» KSjSwtrG3eunKUY4 replied on Sun Jul 15, 2012 @ 2:16am
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Not even upset.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X replied on Sun Jul 15, 2012 @ 12:33pm
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Originally Posted By DYNV

You're ignorant to the "free zone", which are basically the same as Vatican in Italy but in this case it's to exploit instead of evading taxes, where Haiti minimum salary isn't low enough for corporations. Did you know that Haiti were under the tenure of France then USA, which both responsibly exploited and killed population. And now, if that wasn't enough, that are making mines and hiring just a few workers to show their "good faith" ; I bet most the royalties/kickbacks for the mine will go to corruption and little for government programs, in direct contributions.

That's not considering you BS arguments of NGOs where people AND goods from the "helping" countries are sent. Basically workers are sent with privileges of 1st world nations and food at the price of 1st world nations. Instead of using the cheapest food possible and hiring workers from the devastated country, or at least have workers from other 3rd world nations sent. More than a few nations give contracts which workers are brought in that way ; that entail overhead but overall it's surely cheaper that the current situation.

NGOs are a big fucking joke to use up donor countries resources ; if they really wanted to help, they'd use the cheapest way possible which would help the most.


Originally Posted By blisss
Finally an intelligent answer

Although I would argue there are plenty of "good" NGOs, I'd also like to know where all the charity money went from the earthquake


Suuure, he resumed the world's problems in less than 3 paragraphs when experts (That actually work in NGOs) with Masters and Phd dedicated studies, books if not their lives to it.

Nothing personal, I just found his answer a bit simple

my 2 cents
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Sun Jul 15, 2012 @ 4:29pm
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a little search

[ www.businessinsider.com ]


#9 Haiti is plagued by impenetrable bureaucracy
[...]
The $2 billion that came into the country following the 2010 earthquake did little to alleviate corruption and meandering bureaucracy.


[ www.brettonwoodsproject.org ]

Labour rights

[...] skilled Dominicans are paid $24 a day Haitians receive only a tiny fracion of that ($1.06). The International Textile, Garment and Leather Workers' Federation has alleged that Grupo M "employed armed thugs to beat and intimidate workers who try to form independent trade unions in its factories."


I can't find it, I already tried a few times in different. it became real bad with reagan act, dumping staple food in haiti resulting in many farmer loosing their livelihood due to unfair competition ; making it a loss to produce at competitive prices.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Sun Jul 15, 2012 @ 7:12pm
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Originally Posted By ALPHA

Not even upset.


HA!

Again STFU Blisss!
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X replied on Sun Jul 15, 2012 @ 11:30pm
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Originally Posted By DYNV

I can't find it, I already tried a few times in different. it became real bad with reagan act, dumping staple food in haiti resulting in many farmer loosing their livelihood due to unfair competition ; making it a loss to produce at competitive prices.


Yes I saw this in a documentary, sadly it's true. Local producers have no chances at all.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Mon Jul 16, 2012 @ 3:40pm
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Well as long as you've seen it in a documentary, it must be true lol...

Originally Posted By DYNV

The $2 billion that came into the country following the 2010 earthquake did little to alleviate corruption and meandering bureaucracy.


Yeah because they stole it all. Thats why I'm happy I never donated to those funds, I knew most were scams to begin with!
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X replied on Tue Jul 17, 2012 @ 1:13am
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Yes, they showed the misery of this people, with them arguing about it.

I'm pretty sure they were not actors, lol
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Tue Jul 17, 2012 @ 1:23pm
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People in documentaries usually arent, unless its a fake documentary

What were they arguing over exactly? Who to kill next?
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X replied on Tue Jul 17, 2012 @ 8:31pm
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Sounds like you're in short supply of arguments. :-)
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Tue Jul 17, 2012 @ 9:46pm
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the best part of this thread is that the actual gays and lesbians of this site are obviously avoiding it like the plague xD

why? 'cause it's fuckin' stupid to presume to speak on behalf of an entire culture (or, life-style if you prefer) to which you have no ties. And obviously no self-respecting homosexual is going to come on here and make a statement to add to an already retarded stream of typed diarrhea.

there's really nothing more offensive than defending people who don't need defending, 'cause an assumption of helplessness is made.

any dude who like dudes, any chick who likes chicks, is perfectly capable of making their own judgments about what/who 's homophobic or not, without the help of assholes from the peanut gallery.

you really wanna help? take to the streets and help the guy being beaten for his sexual preferences, go to Texas and fire-bomb some gay-bashing twats with a 'homos are the devil' sign in their front-yard.

kthnxbye.
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