You Cannot Use The Internet As An Excuse Anymore
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 3:32pm |
 Coolness: 106065 | Originally Posted By DRNYARLATHOTEP
In this day and age, there are things that used to be acceptable which are no longer so. One in particular is the tired repeated use of "I'm different online than I am in real life". Bitch, the entire world, including your fridge, has access to the Internet. Online is as real as everything else. Being an ass online makes you an ass, period. You don't have two sets of personalities; if who you are on a computer is vastly different than who you are at home, you're just hypocrite. Thank you. I tend to agree with your post in general, but i do think that some peoples troll not because they are assholes, but out of spite and vengeance for the assholes in real life. The real world has a hole other set of parameters to determine who can be an asshole to who. Size/strength is one, economic and political power is an other. But on the net, those factors tend to disappear, everyone is forced to evolve on a playing field that is rooted in the virtual, witch favors a different set of skills. Kinda like a virtual Revenge of the Nerds. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Max_x2 replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 3:35pm |
 Coolness: 33850 | Originally Posted By DRNYARLATHOTEP
What is it about the Internet though that somehow makes it okay for you to be a douche? See that's the problem with people. If I called you and told you to go fuck yourself, would it be okay? If I was live on TV and told the world you were the flakiest douche there was, would it be okay? If you read one of those gossip magazines and it stated that Max_x2 has a micro dick and is laudable, would you take it seriously? Why is it that the internet is somehow seen as less serious than other mediums? The bane of responsability is the same everywhere, buddy. As long as you agree to reap what you sow, everything's okay. The day you get offended that someone took you seriously for something you "said in jest" with no obvious way of knowing about it, you lose all credibility/respect from people like me. I hope this drama was entertaining to you all! I would personally think it's funny, cuz i have enough self-confidence to know what's (and what's not) true. And yes, it was entertaining, especially in a boring french class. Cutterhead, me mentionning you was nowhere near in the intention of fucking with you, i just told a fact according to a thread that was on couple weeks ago. I respect your knowledge. Just wanted to make it clear. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Sparklz replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 3:39pm |
 Coolness: 113345 | Fuck all of you. That is all. <3 |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 3:40pm |
 Coolness: 131545 | i dont feel condecended in anyway , i actually enjoy seeing that the forum can now follow a convo :)
(haha sparkles did a nice cccombo breaker lol) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Sparklz replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 3:43pm |
| Coolness: 113345 | I do what I can. Carry on gentlemen, nothing to see here ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 3:51pm |
 Coolness: 226225 | Originally Posted By DRNYARLATHOTEP
If you liked to fuck around, you'd also do it in real life. How would you know? We have spent zero time together outside of a rave dude :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 4:10pm |
 Coolness: 158185 | You have a tendency of taking personally what I write generally, Mark :P
I used your words, sure, but it's definitely a "wheover fits the mold". It's obvious when you take the rest of the post in context. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 4:13pm |
| Coolness: 226225 | Yeah, well, you know me.
Always up for a convo.:) But I agree there is a fine line between cyber and irl personna. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 4:18pm |
| Coolness: 158185 | The act of trolling (even if I find it annoying) never was what I was complaining about anyway.
And you know what, even to a certain extent, if you're different in real life than on the internet, it can be okay. Provided you understand that you're as responsible for the troubles you'll cause with either personas and understand that people will judge you for it or react to it seriously. Then it's all okay. Still, it was a fun convo. Besides a few attempts at derailing it from a certain "OLD SKOOL 4 SURE" member, it was mostly civil, opinions varied but the debate went well. All in all, it's as far from a normal ravewave thread as possible :P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 4:21pm |
| Coolness: 226225 | :) Maha.
There is still hope. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Max_x2 replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 4:45pm |
| Coolness: 33850 | Originally Posted By DRNYARLATHOTEP
The act of trolling (even if I find it annoying) never was what I was complaining about anyway. And you know what, even to a certain extent, if you're different in real life than on the internet, it can be okay. Provided you understand that you're as responsible for the troubles you'll cause with either personas and understand that people will judge you for it or react to it seriously. Then it's all okay. Still, it was a fun convo. Besides a few attempts at derailing it from a certain "OLD SKOOL 4 SURE" member, it was mostly civil, opinions varied but the debate went well. All in all, it's as far from a normal ravewave thread as possible :P I see here contradiction. Plus someone trying to have people on his side. I wouldn't post in here anymore if i was seeking people's approbation. I mean... Let's be honest, beside Psyborg (i believe) who agreed that jamaican showers are fun... So whatever i post, it's gonna be wrong to you guys. Mais j'm'en criss un peu. J'donne mon opinion, si ça fait ton affaire, good! Sinon... Whatever lol, à chacun son point de vue. J'vais rester fidèle à moi-meme pi continuer de rire de vos propos à mon égard. Bin content de vous faire parler autant, le forum fait moins mort de même. Cheers! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 4:51pm |
| Coolness: 158185 | There were no sides, just opinions.
There's no contradiction: you're just too stupid to get anything. Before you ask, yes, I'll be as blunt in real life. I'm not ashamed of it. Don't socialize often in life, don't post often online but when I do, I speak my mind. :) You HAVE tried to derail the convo into a "everyone's bashing me but I'm not SERIOUSLY bashing anyone when I insult them" thing. So there. Pour utiliser tes mots, va jouer dans l'traffic, champion. T'as l'air d'avoir fait ça souvent dans ton enfance. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Max_x2 replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 5:03pm |
| Coolness: 33850 | Originally Posted By DRNYARLATHOTEP
There were no sides, just opinions. There's no contradiction: you're just too stupid to get anything. Before you ask, yes, I'll be as blunt in real life. I'm not ashamed of it. Don't socialize often in life, don't post often online but when I do, I speak my mind. :) You HAVE tried to derail the convo into a "everyone's bashing me but I'm not SERIOUSLY bashing anyone when I insult them" thing. So there. Pour utiliser tes mots, va jouer dans l'traffic, champion. T'as l'air d'avoir fait ça souvent dans ton enfance. Anyway, à te voir aller, y doit pas avoir grand monde qui veulent t'entourrer dans vie. Alors que j'sais très bien que j'suis / a tjrs été / va probablement tjrs être un centre d'attention avec mes collègues (job, école, whatever) ou mes amis. Tu me connais pas, t'as vraiment aucune idée de comment j'suis en vrai, champion. Pi en plus de ça, j'ai le coeur sa main. Cool hein? Pi pour reprendre cke tu dis, moi j'm'efforce à comprendre ton point de vue, alors que toi tu fais juste basher, sans essayer de comprendre. Ça c de l'ouverture d'esprit mon homme, continue de même! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 5:11pm |
 Coolness: 146275 | Originally Posted By DRNYARLATHOTEP
If you liked to fuck around, you'd also do it in real life. The fact that some people only do it behind a computer and uses the "I'm on the internet, it's not real" excuse to thrash absolutely everyone is what I think should no longer be accepted :) If you troll everywhere, fine. You're a troll. At least you're consistent/honest about it. Same problem as people being different according to the context (location, people around, level of seriousness expected, etc.): such difference of behaviour seems unacceptable to some people, but normal to others who see that human beings adapt to their environment. If you're at a family funeral or at a friend's crazy birthday party, you probably won't behave in the same way. This doesn't mean you'll necessarily be a totally nice compassionate guy at the family funeral and a raving smartass jerk, but you see the point: behaviours may vary much, according to the context; and this is still part of someone's personality. This also applies to somebody who's always quiet, nice and shy in real life and who becomes the worst loud-mouthed asshole ever on the internetz: there may be other real-life situations in which the asshole-demon inside him is yearning to express itself but stays borderline. I guess this distinction between real life and internet behaviour is just a matter of threshold, i.e. when do you begin to consider that something done in context A (e.g. the internet) is "different" from some[ other ]thing done in context B (e.g. real life). |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 5:25pm |
| Coolness: 158185 | Originally Posted By FLO
Same problem as people being different according to the context (location, people around, level of seriousness expected, etc.): such difference of behaviour seems unacceptable to some people, but normal to others who see that human beings adapt to their environment. If you're at a family funeral or at a friend's crazy birthday party, you probably won't behave in the same way. This doesn't mean you'll necessarily be a totally nice compassionate guy at the family funeral and a raving smartass jerk, but you see the point: behaviours may vary much, according to the context; and this is still part of someone's personality. This also applies to somebody who's always quiet, nice and shy in real life and who becomes the worst loud-mouthed asshole ever on the internetz: there may be other real-life situations in which the asshole-demon inside him is yearning to express itself but stays borderline. I guess this distinction between real life and internet behaviour is just a matter of threshold, i.e. when do you begin to consider that something done in context A (e.g. the internet) is "different" from some[ other ]thing done in context B (e.g. real life). Very much so :) I think the point I was trying to make (not strongly enough, apparently, as some members who were dropped on the head as a baby have a hard time grasping it) is that different behaviors don't mean different responsabilities. Using your example, if you were very jovial at a funeral, or somber at a crazy birthday party, there would be negative backlash. In "regular" life, you'd suffer this backlash and you'd be responsible for it. As you say, different behaviors for different occasions/locations. However, it seems on the internet that some people believe they act with total immunity and THIS is the difference I find we should stop accepting. Might have been understandable in a time where people WERE annonymous online and could act whatever way they wanted without anyone actually being able to pinpoint who's responsible. This is no longer the case, obviously. So why do we keep acting like it is okay? If you NEED to vent your frustrations online, please do so. No one's stopping you! But when someone takes offense and fights back, don't be surprised/outraged and use the internet like a form of diplomatic immunity. In the end, YOU did this. Doesn't matter which persona you adopted. YOU did it. That's what I've been trying to explain :P Update » DCRn wrote on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 5:29pm In one line: We should judge people by their action and not the interpretation of said action when on the internet. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Max_x2 replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 5:31pm |
| Coolness: 33850 | Originally Posted By DRNYARLATHOTEP
Very much so :) I think the point I was trying to make (not strongly enough, apparently, as some members who were dropped on the head as a baby have a hard time grasping it) is that different behaviors don't mean different responsabilities. Using your example, if you were very jovial at a funeral, or somber at a crazy birthday party, there would be negative backlash. In "regular" life, you'd suffer this backlash and you'd be responsible for it. As you say, different behaviors for different occasions/locations. However, it seems on the internet that some people believe they act with total immunity and THIS is the difference I find we should stop accepting. Might have been understandable in a time where people WERE annonymous online and could act whatever way they wanted without anyone actually being able to pinpoint who's responsible. This is no longer the case, obviously. So why do we keep acting like it is okay? If you NEED to vent your frustrations online, please do so. No one's stopping you! But when someone takes offense and fights back, don't be surprised/outraged and use the internet like a form of diplomatic immunity. In the end, YOU did this. Doesn't matter which persona you adopted. YOU did it. That's what I've been trying to explain :P Hey tbk, tu vas loin un peu ds t niaiseries, justement. Ta yeule pi va te pendre en silence si ça t'affecte tant que ça, ou comme Moloch t'as dit, milite pi organise une marche contre le trolling, pi coliss-nous patience ek ça ciboire! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 5:38pm |
| Coolness: 158185 | Apte choix de mots. Certains vont comprendre.
Je t'ai donné quinze millions de chances de dire de quoi d'intelligent, Max. Bye bye. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kishmay_Pinas replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 5:41pm |
 Coolness: 103205 | Originally Posted By MAX_X2
Hey tbk, tu vas loin un peu ds t niaiseries, justement. Ta yeule pi va te pendre en silence si ça t'affecte tant que ça, ou comme Moloch t'as dit, milite pi organise une marche contre le trolling, pi coliss-nous patience ek ça ciboire! What exactly don't you understand max? Maybe I can out it into smaller words for you |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 6:58pm |
| Coolness: 131545 | lol sounds to me im not the only one with a blurred screen on my gateway computer lol ;)
focus screw on my vid box is quite ruined , and thats my only excuse for the internet (coupled with glasses) so im open to misinterpretation to a certain extent :D |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Rakoon replied on Wed Aug 31, 2011 @ 8:14pm |
 Coolness: 175390 | What you say on the Internet or in real life
I think it comes from the same brain ... How it can be different? |
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