Free Party Dj'S ?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 7:35pm |
 Coolness: 159070 | I think it died and zombified, feeding off other scenes to stay alive. Maybe it needs a good ol' shotgun blast to the head. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 7:48pm |
 Coolness: 103285 | I think you should all stop throwing lame ass raves and do something better with your lifes. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 7:52pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Max_x2 replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 8:10pm |
 Coolness: 33850 | Originally Posted By ZOMBIENATHAN
Right, so the point is to fuck over other promoters in order to build your name with free parties, and then make a bunch of cash by then throwing paying events ... ridiculous. Honestly I'm not even taking a piss at Kire so much as the other people he's associated himself with. I give mad props to NTK and HardTimes, and what they do is not even part of THIS particular equation. Pis parle moi pas de bénévolat dude. J'aime bien ton enthousiasme, mais le monde qui pensent que les promoteurs qui charge pour des événements font du cash sont dans le champ en tabarnak. 96% du temps on PERD de l'argent, tandis que certaines personnes qui font des événements gratuits n'investissent rien à part le gaz pour la génératrice, et le système de son déjà payé, alors quand ils vendent d'la bouffe/bière/drogue, c'est que du profit. Encore, les NTk c'est un autre histoire - le monde leur doit du travail bénévole après tout l'effort qu'eux on mis dans notre scène depuis tout ces années. En plus, moi j'ai du monde qui sont prêt à aider gratos si il y a du cash en question ou non. Asking for volunteer DJs is like admitting that a) you don't know who to book b) you aren't well connected c) you're disorganized and announced something before it was ready d) are going to have to pick from whoever the fuck wants to play instead of choosing based on talent. And people can preach 'giving n00bs opportunities' all they want, but it's not only patronizing to those people, it's also insulting to all the amazing and yet underrated DJs that have been playing for years and are given no chances 'cause they aren't 'fresh' enough or popular enough 'cause they're subtle and kind individuals. I knew I was opening a can of nasty worms by making a statement, but I don't really care anymore. I'll teach you one lesson right now: After all your best laid plans, fucking over other people in order to get ahead, trying to build a reputation on giving shit away for free - you will never make money from the rave scene. Never. So, get the idea of being one of the cool successful promoters out of your head, 'cause right now for the first time in the history of the scene, there are too many fucking promoters! On top of which, the most respected and hardest working promoters (not including pop-techno) have sacrificed alot, and lost a ton of money and even made enemies due to jealousy. What can I say? Life is hard. That's called competition son! Everyone's doing it, and if there's anything, you may be the 1st one to try a product for free before buying. J'imagine que t'as manqué 2-3 notions de marketing ici. Si ton produit est meilleur, mieux publicisé, mieux préparé (ou non, mais que le résultat est meilleur), tu vas gagner en popularité. Ton discours me fait pensé à celui d'un baby-boomer kia peur de se faire "voler" sa job par un jeune fringuant kié meilleur que lui. Si t'es meilleur qu'un plus vieux ds un domaine x, pourquoi tu devrais rester au fond du puit, prétextant que lui a plus d'ancienneté? Criss de mentalité de syndicaliste ça mon homme! Tant qu'à ça, fuck la nouveauté, fuck l'innovation, gardons nos vieux Pentium, nos vieilles Corrolas, nos vieilles TV, yont travaillé tellement fort pi longtemps! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 8:12pm |
 Coolness: 66650 | i guess i am posting again, lol
well honestly people can say what they want, but the perfect example is nova 9 tbh, i posted this event way before anything was going on during that weekend, if a promoter is to think it will interfere with his event before making it he/she could just move it to a different day, before i make any event my first priority is the schedule of the of that month, i would never put a party on the same day as anothother one, but if a promoter wants to put a party on a weekend im throwing mine then go ahead lol. how am IIII fucking over HIIIIM when HEEEE posted on that weekend WAY AFTER i posted mine ? hes on a saturday neway. i'm assuming you got my pm then - throwing a few free parties to promote your company is a great business move, imo they will remember the promoter and when the paying events come so will they, i don't see how that's fucking over promoters i just think it's smart. had i decided to throw lockdown as our first event, we'd have a shitty turn out, especially in the summer and i'd lose money, it's not about making a living off of it it's about making enough to throw another one and another one etc. right now im losing money throwing these events but i have fun doing it and it'll pay off in the end, if it doesn't then oh well at least i tried. you really need to stop bringing up the " i have no dj's so im asking [ rave.ca ] " thing, how many times have i said i have a psy line up i was asking for new dj's that play different genre's and if they wanted to play on my stage, but u made me realize i should just stick with what and who i know, psytrance. yes there are new promoters in the scene, get used to it times change, every company starts off small, at least they should. do you not remember dark tendancy ? they still owe noah money for that if i'm not mistaken. i'm trying a different slower route with my company. we'll see where we're at next year after our events this winter. and hey, if it all failed at least i tried and you can feel free to laugh at me. but i am by no means trying to fuck over other promoters. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Max_x2 replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 8:36pm |
| Coolness: 33850 | Originally Posted By KIRE
i guess i am posting again, lol well honestly people can say what they want, but the perfect example is nova 9 tbh, i posted this event way before anything was going on during that weekend, if a promoter is to think it will interfere with his event before making it he/she could just move it to a different day, before i make any event my first priority is the schedule of the of that month, i would never put a party on the same day as anothother one, but if a promoter wants to put a party on a weekend im throwing mine then go ahead lol. how am IIII fucking over HIIIIM when HEEEE posted on that weekend WAY AFTER i posted mine ? hes on a saturday neway. i'm assuming you got my pm then - throwing a few free parties to promote your company is a great business move, imo they will remember the promoter and when the paying events come so will they, i don't see how that's fucking over promoters i just think it's smart. had i decided to throw lockdown as our first event, we'd have a shitty turn out, especially in the summer and i'd lose money, it's not about making a living off of it it's about making enough to throw another one and another one etc. right now im losing money throwing these events but i have fun doing it and it'll pay off in the end, if it doesn't then oh well at least i tried. you really need to stop bringing up the " i have no dj's so im asking [ rave.ca ] " thing, how many times have i said i have a psy line up i was asking for new dj's that play different genre's and if they wanted to play on my stage, but u made me realize i should just stick with what and who i know, psytrance. yes there are new promoters in the scene, get used to it times change, every company starts off small, at least they should. do you not remember dark tendancy ? they still owe noah money for that if i'm not mistaken. i'm trying a different slower route with my company. we'll see where we're at next year after our events this winter. and hey, if it all failed at least i tried and you can feel free to laugh at me. but i am by no means trying to fuck over other promoters. Good way of posting when you said you wouldn't. I offer you my help, look at your PMs. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 8:37pm |
 Coolness: 226225 | Thing is Kyle, that you should not go all defensive and all bothered when someone tells you things like this. Like you're the first person to admit it, you have a shitload of stuff to learn about how this little system holds toghetter. I mean hell, you have a very limited knowledge of electronic music/culture overall having just gotten around to it.
No diss intended, but you should really consider to learn how to walk before you get up and run, y'know. Update » MolocH wrote on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 8:39pm And yeah, I see you saw nate's comment as an offence, but I'm pretty shure he was just saying how it is vs how it looks to a newcomer's eyes. Consider his point. Update » MolocH wrote on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 8:40pm Oh yeah, and disregard whatever that Max_x2 sez.
I suspect he's a retard. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Max_x2 replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 8:48pm |
| Coolness: 33850 | Originally Posted By MOLOCH
Oh yeah, and disregard whatever that MAX_X2 sez. I suspect he's a retard. I love you too Mark (aka extra-old douchebag) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 8:51pm |
| Coolness: 66650 | LOL XD
and max it's cool don't worry about it, im not mad at nate in the least thats why we're trying to do things slowly, there are many fatal mistakes that can be made when organizing a party and i don't want that to happen, better safe than sorry. n again nathan - after that msg i completely understand where you're coming from with this, i was wondering why u were so fired up ! |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 8:52pm |
 Coolness: 166495 | Originally Posted By MAX_X2
That's called competition son! Everyone's doing it, and if there's anything, you may be the 1st one to try a product for free before buying. J'imagine que t'as manqué 2-3 notions de marketing ici. Si ton produit est meilleur, mieux publicisé, mieux préparé (ou non, mais que le résultat est meilleur), tu vas gagner en popularité. Ton discours me fait pensé à celui d'un baby-boomer kia peur de se faire "voler" sa job par un jeune fringuant kié meilleur que lui. Si t'es meilleur qu'un plus vieux ds un domaine x, pourquoi tu devrais rester au fond du puit, prétextant que lui a plus d'ancienneté? Criss de mentalité de syndicaliste ça mon homme! Tant qu'à ça, fuck la nouveauté, fuck l'innovation, gardons nos vieux Pentium, nos vieilles Corrolas, nos vieilles TV, yont travaillé tellement fort pi longtemps! Wow, pas t'as rien compris. Party mieux produit, mieux publicisé, mieux préparé = gagner en popularité ? Ca c'est FAUX quand il y a question d'un party gratuit, car le monde vont y aller peu importe juste parce-que c'est gratuit! Seriously, what does innovation, new shit, and quality have anything to do with a free party?? What does giving new ppl a chance to play have anything to do with older DJs who have new music? What the fuck are you talking about? Free party movement is old, raves are old, but most promoters try to bring new acts from around the world to the stage, and there is something to be said about respecting the older scene ppl who kept this all alive so that you guys still have a fucking scene ... so: t'es dans l'champ ... And competition, lol! This is a scene that is supposed to stick together and create the best situations that'll benefit the entirety of rave culture, not a company selling a brand of shoes ... Originally Posted By kire
i guess i am posting again, lol well honestly people can say what they want, but the perfect example is nova 9 tbh, i posted this event way before anything was going on during that weekend, if a promoter is to think it will interfere with his event before making it he/she could just move it to a different day, before i make any event my first priority is the schedule of the of that month, i would never put a party on the same day as anothother one, but if a promoter wants to put a party on a weekend im throwing mine then go ahead lol. how am IIII fucking over HIIIIM when HEEEE posted on that weekend WAY AFTER i posted mine ? hes on a saturday neway. i'm assuming you got my pm then - throwing a few free parties to promote your company is a great business move, imo they will remember the promoter and when the paying events come so will they, i don't see how that's fucking over promoters i just think it's smart. had i decided to throw lockdown as our first event, we'd have a shitty turn out, especially in the summer and i'd lose money, it's not about making a living off of it it's about making enough to throw another one and another one etc. right now im losing money throwing these events but i have fun doing it and it'll pay off in the end, if it doesn't then oh well at least i tried. To your 1st paragraph: Interesting how you say these things when another party comes to mind in which you did after another was already posted. So, you didn't change your date, don't expect others to. To your 2nd paragraph: That's fine, if you want to take the easy road to build a rep, it seems like you know what to do now in order to profit from the scene later. Like I said, a friendly warning is that whatever you lost already, you'll never make it back. Though if I were you I wouldn't admit that the only way you could get ppl to come out to one of your events is by making it free. Anyway, do what you want, good luck, but I still think it's insulting to use DJs in order to boost your business plan in the guise of helping them get gigs. A hard working worthwhile DJ will find a way to play, don't worry about them. Update » Nathan wrote on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 8:53pm Just saw your recent comment -- all good man, sorry I'm exhausted and emotional, but at least you kinda know why ;)
But seriously, you're a good kid, think about who you deal with is all :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 8:58pm |
| Coolness: 66650 | read the post before nathan *
i can't change the date because it's all set in stone, but when making a party the first thing to do is to set a date, before doing anything at all, hence if there's already a party on a friday in mtl, then move it to saturday, unless the promoter decided to do everything THEN post the date but that's just bad organizing i wasn't saying the only way to make people come to my parties is to make it free, i was saying that the best way to become a known promoter is to throw a memorable party, and how do you get the biggest turnout ? make it free, it might be the easy road but it's the safe road, people would come to our parties regardless, but i want to build up to it yes but not all the dj's have or are in the " click " i find it's too much of who you know to get ur foot in the door, i'm not only helping them promote themselves but will be and am planning on booking a lot of these guys for our future events, especially Nightfall. i'm so sick of seeing the same names at every party. sometimes you gotta give people a chance, i'm not just using them and throwing them away, and they become good friends of mine in the process as well there are a ton of " clicks " in the scene nowadays, imo like ntk and hardtimes, but for us ? hell i don't even know anyone personally from either of those groups, except one psy dj. lol when we get bigger as a company and more solidified we'll start to recruit resident dj's and do fun collaborations with the bigger promoters, but right now we're still small. for example, i can't just walk up to the ntk crew n be like yo lets do a party together! lol Update » Kire wrote on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 9:08pm well, what i lost i may never make back, but the memories i have will last forever |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Max_x2 replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 9:13pm |
| Coolness: 33850 | Originally Posted By ZOMBIENATHAN
Wow, pas t'as rien compris. Party mieux produit, mieux publicisé, mieux préparé = gagner en popularité ? Ca c'est FAUX quand il y a question d'un party gratuit, car le monde vont y aller peu importe juste parce-que c'est gratuit! Seriously, what does innovation, new shit, and quality have anything to do with a free party?? What does giving new ppl a chance to play have anything to do with older DJs who have new music? What the fuck are you talking about? Free party movement is old, raves are old, but most promoters try to bring new acts from around the world to the stage, and there is something to be said about respecting the older scene ppl who kept this all alive so that you guys still have a fucking scene ... so: t'es dans l'champ ... And competition, lol! This is a scene that is supposed to stick together and create the best situations that'll benefit the entirety of rave culture, not a company selling a brand of shoes ... To your 1st paragraph: Interesting how you say these things when another party comes to mind in which you did after another was already posted. So, you didn't change your date, don't expect others to. To your 2nd paragraph: That's fine, if you want to take the easy road to build a rep, it seems like you know what to do now in order to profit from the scene later. Like I said, a friendly warning is that whatever you lost already, you'll never make it back. Though if I were you I wouldn't admit that the only way you could get ppl to come out to one of your events is by making it free. Anyway, do what you want, good luck, but I still think it's insulting to use DJs in order to boost your business plan in the guise of helping them get gigs. A hard working worthwhile DJ will find a way to play, don't worry about them. écoute, j'veux pas te contredire... Mais j'ai fait Andromeda (40$), Heroes VS. Villains (30$) pi les 2 free ntk / Hard Times à date. C sur ki aura tjrs du moNde qui vont choisir les free plutôt que les payants, mais tbk, anyways, y seraient po allés au party payant. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 9:19pm |
| Coolness: 166495 | Kire, in my opinion a memorable party has nothing to do with how many ppl show up. If ravers only like parties with alot of ppl at them, then they've become pretty superficial. I don't think it's the case. A really memorable party is one where legendary DJs take the stage, where the deco and lights are interesting, where the music is well played.
I've had so much fun at free gigs, fuck I'm poor as Hell so it's awesome that they exist, but honestly they all go into one big pile of 'cool' in my head, maybe one or two stand out and that's only because of the location that was interesting. The parties I remember most are the ones where they played the music I love. Not saying you're doing any different, I'm sure the tunes are cool and all that, but be warned that you're also already spoiling your crowd and some ppl will be shocked when you tell them your next event is 30$. You'll see how much harder it is to sell something after you've already given it away. Originally Posted By KIRE
i'm so sick of seeing the same names at every party. That, I totally agree with! ;) |
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| Good [+3]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 9:21pm |
 Coolness: 86455 | Originally Posted By MAX_X2
That's called competition son! Everyone's doing it, and if there's anything, you may be the 1st one to try a product for free before buying. J'imagine que t'as manqué 2-3 notions de marketing ici. Si ton produit est meilleur, mieux publicisé, mieux préparé (ou non, mais que le résultat est meilleur), tu vas gagner en popularité. Ton discours me fait pensé à celui d'un baby-boomer kia peur de se faire "voler" sa job par un jeune fringuant kié meilleur que lui. Si t'es meilleur qu'un plus vieux ds un domaine x, pourquoi tu devrais rester au fond du puit, prétextant que lui a plus d'ancienneté? Criss de mentalité de syndicaliste ça mon homme! Tant qu'à ça, fuck la nouveauté, fuck l'innovation, gardons nos vieux Pentium, nos vieilles Corrolas, nos vieilles TV, yont travaillé tellement fort pi longtemps! well, I had to google translate what you wrote in French so I hope I got this right, but it seems like you`re condescending to someone who's a hardworking veteran DJ and promoter. again, I hope the translation was accurate, but you're saying that if someone new comes along and tries to push the old timers aside and corner the market, you consider that innovation for this scene? nah. for instance.. in my city years back, my friend landed this gig at an upscale trendy bar/restaurant.. spinning vintage funk soul oldskool hip hop etc. he's been spinning hip hop since 1991. and had a weekly radio show since 1994. the guy's scientific with it. the best in the city. so he was the perfect choice. so for months, every Friday night, he'd get paid 200 bucks to lug his vintage vinyl down there and do his thing. and he was worth it. well.. along come these 2 punk-ass brand new hip hop DJs who've only been spinning for a few months. they approach the owner and tell him they'll do the same job for 50 bucks so the owner, thinking in terms of dollars, gives them the gig, thinking "cool I just saved myself 150 a week". but these clowns had no talent at all, and play garbage top 40 hip hop. so instead of sticking with a seasoned professional who knows how to create a vibe, the owner sold the night out to these disrespectful cunts who know nothing about underground music. it irritates me when muppets come out the woodwork and start challenging people who actually have integrity and pay dues. it doesnt mean they're some "young buck" who is better.. it just means they're incredibly ignorant and disrespectful. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 9:32pm |
| Coolness: 166495 | +1 Recoil ;)
Originally Posted By MAX_X2
écoute, j'veux pas te contredire... Mais j'ai fait Andromeda (40$), Heroes VS. Villains (30$) pi les 2 free ntk / Hard Times à date. C sur ki aura tjrs du moNde qui vont choisir les free plutôt que les payants, mais tbk, anyways, y seraient po allés au party payant. T'as déduit que le monde optent pour aller à un événement gratos avant de payé, bravo! Non seul que c'est assez évident, mais c'est axactement le probème des fois. T'avoue être nouveaux à la scène, c'est super ça - j'aime du nouveau sang, et tu sors à des trucs gratos et payants et t'appui la scène, c'est bon! Mais ne prétend pas dire au monde qui font intégralement parti des raves depuis fucking longtemps comment notre scène fonctionne, merci. Hey Noah, you're welcome for the drama ;)  |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 9:40pm |
| Coolness: 66650 | yeah we tried to give a " wow " factor on the venue with meats of evil, it was the spot where epic coalition was last year by the water, other than that it was a pretty standard outdoor, couple lasers couple lights, etc
you're definitely right about that lol i'm curious how people will react when we start to throw paying events, it could turn out good or bad, i'll have to ride the river n see where it leads tbh. i'm going to try to budget as much as i can to keep the quality as high as possible but not coming out in the negatives as well, prism code took a pretty big hit after andromeda. i have to be careful i'm going to try to make nova 9 as spectacular as possible before the indoor raves come, and i appreciate the advice. n nah i have mad respect for nathan n what he does ^^ i wouldn't want anyone to think otherwise. Update » Kire wrote on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 9:48pm just read ur update from before hehe, yeah i can't believe it -.-, if only i'd known, i'm gonna have a pretty huge talk. i'm pretty pissed tbh.
n thanks ^^ i appreciate it, i hope that one day you and i will do a collab should our company succeed ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 9:52pm |
| Coolness: 166495 | All good, Kire.
At least you learned that only Noah can call out for volunteer DJs here :P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 10:24pm |
| Coolness: 66650 | XD true story! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» dawker30 replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 10:53pm |
 Coolness: 33125 | hey ive been trwing party like 13 years ago! i did my share of free party and i had a blast!
but come on gang! Kire party are fucking awsome! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB replied on Mon Aug 29, 2011 @ 11:02pm |
| Coolness: 103285 | pew pew pew |
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