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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Mon May 30, 2011 @ 1:53pm |
 Coolness: 145200 | any word in english that ends in 'tion' is a french word
realization, creation, communication ... from the norman conquest of england! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Trey replied on Mon May 30, 2011 @ 3:32pm |
 Coolness: 102765 | Originally Posted By BLISSS
the French were the ones who sold out Quebec and gave it to the English. Probably one of the worst sell outs in history O_o, no wonder Quebecers hate the French No way, the Louisiana Purchase was the worst sell out. Stupid Napoleon. Sold to the Americans for 15 000 000$ ($219 million today).  |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Mon May 30, 2011 @ 3:51pm |
 Coolness: 91390 | Wow. Didn't even need to elaborate on this one. Good job guys!
Originally Posted By ZIMMERMAU5
lol ok. You do realize that english is actually a language made out of languages from everywhere around the world right? The way we mix french, greek, italian, spanish and latin into our language to come out with the one that is known around the world is ridiculous. Yes I do realize that the english language is a mix of languages. Ask ANY linguist how "unusual" or "hors du commun" is the english language. They'll probably have a good laugh at your expense. Try to find a language that has never borrowed a single word from another. It is very common for neighbors to borrow stuff from each other, words are even easier to borrow, because you don't have to give them back and it a very easy trade. Also, the syntax "frame" of english is simple because it works on logic and they aren't tons of loop holes and exeptions. Mixing languages together doesn't necessarily makes a complex language, far from it. Just as an example: does the human genome gets more complex as we mix different ethnies together? No. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» recoil replied on Fri Jun 10, 2011 @ 3:08am |
 Coolness: 86505 | sorry for the massively delayed reply - lol. sometimes I forget to reply back. but I liked what you had to say, so I had it on a to-do list when I had time =)
Originally Posted By FLO
I have no idea about whether the French were nicer than the English to the Natives, but the conquest was all French before it was English... for over 200 years, this was Nouvelle France, a huge stripe including Quebec, Acadie, and going down to Louisiane. This is why I was saying that the English "invaded" French territory back then (and the French invaded Native territory before that) ya. well obviously the treatment of natives by the Europeans has been abysmal on all counts. so I didn't mean to sugarcoat it. but at least some of the early French traders seemed to live peacefully amongst the tribes - like Etienne Brule - who was one of Champlain's scouts, and actually adopted the ways of the Hurons. ya I can see what you mean now.. the British were invading land that had been settled already for 200 years. I'm just saying, that in order to claim New France, they were forcing out the people who'd been living there for as long as 16,000 years. so the French empire was imposing colonialism on the natives, and then in turn, French settlers had British colonialism imposed on them. So it's just important to remember.. when people recall the injustices that took place here, they must also recall that the people who really got screwed in this equation were the natives. And their story doesn't really get told, since history is written by the winners. 
note the ethnocentrism of the above map. Anywhere that Europeans haven't yet planted their flag is referred to as "unclaimed" or “unsettled”. but this is a map of the nations that already existed there. 
I just find it so arrogant how the Dutch, Belgian, French, English and Spanish Empires thought they could just lay claim to millions of square miles around the world, with no regard for the people who actually called it home. Originally Posted By FLO
I'm very romantic :) Seriously, just see how French culture has survived for almost 300 years after the "defeat" against the English: this is not surrender to me. Of course it's not bloody guerilla like in Ireland either (thankfully!). haha ya. I am a romantic too, so honestly if some band of Quebecois still survived somewhere outside the law, I would think that was the coolest thing ever =) I love people who don't give up and keep the old ways. but I see what you mean – despite the English rule, they've fiercely retained their distinct culture and an independent mindset. I admire that for sure. very much. Originally Posted By basdini
any word in english that ends in 'tion' is a french word realization, creation, communication ... from the norman conquest of england! yup. very interesting stuff. from 1066 until at least the 12th century, the upper class of England spoke Norman French. and Norman of course just means "North Man". They were descended from the Norse Vikings who came on raids down from Scandinavia and settled in Normandy. then after they conquered England, the Normans invaded and conquered some parts of Ireland, beginning in 1171 AD. but unlike the brutal conquest by Oliver Cromwell in the 17th century, the Normans actually settled there and intermarried with the Irish. They adopted their Celtic customs and Gaelic language and became Irish themselves. so that's why some Irish family names are French in origin.. it dates back to the 12th century. names like Devereux, Fitzsimmons, Fitzpatrick, or Fitzgerald.. the "fitz" is a corruption of "fils" so it means "son of Gerald". also the Irish family name Tobin.. which is a corruption of "De St. Aubyn" |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» flo replied on Fri Jun 10, 2011 @ 9:38am |
 Coolness: 146325 | Originally Posted By RECOIL
So it's just important to remember.. when people recall the injustices that took place here, they must also recall that the people who really got screwed in this equation were the natives. And their story doesn't really get told, since history is written by the winners. All the more since my argument was a little fallacious, since this "New France" empire was mostly uninhabited... Originally Posted By RECOIL
haha ya. I am a romantic too, so honestly if some band of Quebecois still survived somewhere outside the law, I would think that was the coolest thing ever =) I love people who don't give up and keep the old ways. but I see what you mean – despite the English rule, they've fiercely retained their distinct culture and an independent mindset. I admire that for sure. very much. Loi101 FTW! heheh |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Fri Jun 10, 2011 @ 10:26am |
 Coolness: 106115 | It's easy to whitewash the native's in Canada. But when Jacques Cartier first arrived to the new world, Chef Donnacona and the Iroquois had heard of the white men that arrived on boats and planned on cornering the market of Europeen goods on the American continent.
So both the French and the Natives where motivated by gain... humans will be humans. The English and the French did however have very different ways of colonising. Until the Jesuites arrived and fucked everything up, the French where more set on trade with the Indian's, and had a quite a fruitfull partnership with the Algonquins nations. The British however used the natural rivalry between the Algonquins and the Iroquois to there advantage in there push to takeover the french colonies. The whole story may have finished quite differently had dessises not whiped out almost all the Native Americans. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Zimmermau5 replied on Fri Jun 10, 2011 @ 11:53pm |
 Coolness: 77360 | D'oh. I facepalm myself... |
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