Why Do People Take Drugs?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» KounteSs replied on Mon Jan 17, 2011 @ 7:18pm |
 Coolness: 39390 | if I'm not mistaken, they plan on making mushrooms illegal in Holland, if it's not already. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Mon Jan 17, 2011 @ 7:36pm |
 Coolness: 166550 | Since December 2008 possession of both dry and fresh psychoactive mushrooms has been forbidden by law. The Openbaar Ministerie – the Dutch prosecutor’s office – stated that prosecution shall be started on possession of 0.5g dried or 5g fresh psychoactive mushrooms. Possession of these minor amounts is allowed and won’t lead to a criminal charge. Before December 2008, unprocessed psychoactive mushrooms were legal to possess, they were not covered under the opium law, therefore making them legal to possess, consume and sell, and could be obtained in "smart shops" which specialize in ethnobotanicals.
In October 2007 the Dutch government announced plans to ban the sale of all magic mushrooms, as a result of several incidents involving tourists. One of the incidents being Gaelle Caroff, a French tourist, jumping from a building onto a road fatally wounding herself.
[ en.wikipedia.org ] so, yes... because some can't take the drugs, it has to be made illegal........ :( |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» supermario replied on Mon Jan 17, 2011 @ 8:08pm |
 Coolness: 49535 | tabarnak:( |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nuclear replied on Mon Jan 17, 2011 @ 9:05pm |
 Coolness: 2603960 | The mushrooms you grow are always the best and it's legal to have everything you need to grow your own! Why have someone do it for you, it's cheap and simple to do it yourself.
[ www.fungifun.org ] "This tek made the cultivation of mushrooms at home feasible for complete beginners utilizing commonly available materials." |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» perception replied on Mon Jan 17, 2011 @ 11:33pm |
 Coolness: 65890 | brutal. Update » perception wrote on Tue Jan 18, 2011 @ 12:59am "what I wonder is why use any of those techniques (taking drugs or meditating). I see the motivations but not much of the reasons. perhaps this would be more pertinent to a philosophy group."
touché will pounder, although not sure you can compartmentalize, tease apart where motivation ends and where the reason why begins, they seem connected to me. I guess we do it for the experience |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Tue Jan 18, 2011 @ 10:44am |
 Coolness: 108780 | Originally Posted By YOSHIN
DynV -- what is the difference between reason and motivation? i'm not sure i get it. I masturbate because I get turned on and want it over (no more lingering thoughts). The reason I get turned on even is there's no one in my life is that either some biological urge kick once in a while but the main one is the same I play computer games: boredom. When I have a balanced lifestyles, I have little time to spend on such matter. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Tue Jan 18, 2011 @ 6:47pm |
 Coolness: 66675 | @ lol_cat yeah man im probably doing it outdoors at that festival thing, i'd do it indoors but with my eyes i don't know how i'd react especially with visuals lol
i mean for you guys when you're in a venue u see the walls and u can tell its a building, for me everything is floating in black space, its basically like being in space theres no floor or walls lol ^^ so i couldnt imagine what my trip would be if i did it in a venue gotta add though, its kinda cool in a way when i think about it when the lasers hit the walls to me it looks like lights floating around in space lol same with deco, really wish i could explain it properly, but if i saw that on acid i don't want to have a crazy mind meltdown n be like " IM IN FUCKING SPACE!!!" or something ^^ outdoors i feel i'd be safer i get around alot with my hearing and feeling so a venue would be too loud for me, unless i take it during the day ? hmmmm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Wed Jan 19, 2011 @ 3:21am |
| Coolness: 166550 | reasons...
alduous huxley said in his book, doors of perception, that we're all looking for doors out of the 'mundane', the 'ordinary existence'. why is that... just because we naturally like to test limits i think. see how far being alive can stretch... and drugs offer us a door to an other state of mind, where our perception of everything is different. i would recommend reading that book, :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Daf replied on Wed Jan 19, 2011 @ 10:26am |
 Coolness: 185330 | people should try to "open door to another state of mind" without it
can't judge no one for using drugs, since i've been using them alot though i never use drugs to "help me see better/other/different things" and i will respect someone that can have an open mind, a great spirit, without using them! encouraging people to use any drug is also, sorry for using a such rude term but, retarded! Personally i started to use drugs because i didn't care about anything (and saying masturbation is for people bored without a girlfriend/boyfriend is also stupid, masturbation is fun, even if you have sex every day and are fulfill with it. it just a personal moment that you have with yourself, that makes life goes by just a little better) Update » Daf wrote on Wed Jan 19, 2011 @ 10:27am kind of tired to read all of you people saying to the world how great drugs are, and seeing the same people being confuse in their own thoughts, i don't know, 1+1=2 |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Wed Jan 19, 2011 @ 11:31am |
| Coolness: 166550 | wow.
the definition of a drug....... what's yours? the book, doors of perception, talked mostly about psychedelic drugs. mostly mescaline, actually, natural plant-drugs that have been used in sacred ways by humans since the beginning of times (or almost). some would call that 'drug' a medicine for the soul. and some would call a simple legal 'medicine' like tylenol, a drug. both allow you to go through a door that change your perspective on the world. but that has already been spoken of before. daf, i understand you're tired of people who make excuses to take drugs. but it won't change because you're tired of it. there is a natural thing in us that wants to explore the boundaries of life. drugs are one accessible way to to it, for people living in modern cities. you'll also see people exploring the boundaries of life with magick, religion, travelling, extreme sports, creating art, comfort foods, fasting, strange sex... some do a mix of all of the above... but we all want to get novelty. a fresh perspective. buddhists say the basic condition of human life is suffering... so people look for enlightenment, naturally they seek that door. and we are not really being taught about these things in school. when we know and recognize what we are looking for, it's easier to look for those things, those doors, in a more conscious way... because some are really slaves to their need to escape life, and some drugs offer such a good escape that people won't want to come back, and they'll take it until it kills them, the ultimate no-come-back... while some other drugs feel like they open doors to deeper aspects of life - are they real? there are lots of ancestral tribes that base their cultures and religions on the after-world that they find while ingesting some psychedelic drugs (like ayahuasca, mescaline, iboga, shrooms...) ayahuasca culture is certainly a mystery in itself, a psychedelic drug that can make people heal themselves from cancer by taking trips into the mind, the afterworld, meeting ancestor spirits and finding the roots of our illness... i also think it is best to at peace with this, because i don't think human nature will change... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Daf replied on Wed Jan 19, 2011 @ 11:50am |
| Coolness: 185330 | not tired of people having excuse to use drugs, im one of those
tired of people who try to tell others how drugs are great for you (you are not a somewhat philosopher who have the absolute truth, telling people to use drug to open their mind, is retarded) "medicine for the soul" i think if you can open your soul, just by confronting life like it is, accepting things like they are, it's the best, though not the easiest. Im one weak soul who sometimes like to hide in dreams because life was too hard and still is sometimes. I wish i would be stronger and find my path by confronting my own mind without the use of anything. This is a personnal opinion, and since everyone here share theirs, i thought i could to! Drugs bring a comfort that is addictive. This comfort exist without it, though it's just more easier to take drugs and let the magic do everything Drugs also ruins health when use in a long period and/or too often. Even the natural one, it's not because it grows in the forest, that it means it's good for you. Perspective of drugs change when you start to care about life. Update » Daf wrote on Wed Jan 19, 2011 @ 11:53am don't mind having a conversation on this matter with you, or anyone, though i would appreciate if you take the time to read well what i write, since i never wrote "tired of people having excuse to use drugs" but clearly "tired of people telling how drugs are great" (and by this encouraging others to use them) wich is different in my book! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Wed Jan 19, 2011 @ 12:16pm |
| Coolness: 166550 | Originally Posted By DAF
Drugs also ruins health when use in a long period and/or too often. Even the natural one, it's not because it grows in the forest, that it means it's good for you. hmmmm i watched many studies on ayahuasca saying that it actually improved the health of the people involved, when taken into it's ritual form. generally heightened reserves of serotonin on both short and long-term, and lowered levels of stress amongst other things. and they found no damages on those indigenous tribes that have been using the plant for all their lives. i find it fascinating :) and fuck ayahuasca does not bring comfort. it's a journey. it can be really hard... i decided to leave the rituals because i was not ready to face everything, but in the hopes of coming back when i'm older, after living a bit more. also, mdma helped me care more about myself and about life, so that whole thing about not taking drugs if you care about life, i know what you mean... though there is a big difference between taking and abusing drugs. i kind of made a self-therapy out of it... i used to have such low self-confidence, i was too shy to approach people and speak to them, and i hated myself, kind of. and mdma showed me that i could be myself... and i was worthy of love and social contact. it's often all in how you approach the drug, because i knew that if i had lived that on mdma, i could live it sober. it showed me that door to the other side, and i don't think that i would have been receptive to people only telling me about it, i would have told them thanks, but not really believe it... or even maybe tell them to fuck off :P i'm a hands-on person, i need to live stuff to understand.. Update » AYkiN0XiA wrote on Wed Jan 19, 2011 @ 12:20pm and to my recall no one in this thread said that drugs were great, and it is not the purpose of this thread to do so... so i don't know where you're going with your point... i just think that drugs are what they are, and they exist, and we have the choice to take them or not... this thread, though, asks for the reasons why do people take drugs. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Daf replied on Wed Jan 19, 2011 @ 12:34pm |
| Coolness: 185330 | life is full of exception
suggesting that using drugs is good for you is just not the right approach, this is mainly what i am saying. In the cities, the drugs that kids will find, will be nothing like "ayahuasca" i saw a lot of people (in my entourage or people that i admire) having health problem because of drugs (loosing their teeth, getting so skinny i could see their bones through their skin, dieing so young because they were stuck in a artificial dream that they thought was the best way to live) and personally i have an eating disorder now because of them, ending up in the hospital for more than 2 weeks and leaving me now with a fear to go back i don't want to sound like an hypocrite, i like having fun with drugs, i just don't like reading how cool and good for you it is to use them, since it's not true. Update » Daf wrote on Wed Jan 19, 2011 @ 12:36pm after reading the drug preventin in the last 2 weeks
everything i read was about how drugs help you to open your mind etc etc and i just think that drug and help shouldn't be in the same sentence, because some people can read it the wrong way (and read that you are saying that drugs are great) people can misinterpret easily, and i just think we should be careful in what we write because of this, that's all :) Update » Daf wrote on Wed Jan 19, 2011 @ 12:38pm oups just read your edit, i understand saying "care about life" was a bit extreme, i know people can use drugs and care about life too, it's just getting older and seeing how health is important, it change a perspective a lot
and im only talking of my own experience, i'm not referring to a general opinion! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Wed Jan 19, 2011 @ 4:20pm |
| Coolness: 166550 | yess. ok. but this is not the point of this thread.
i totally agree with what you say though/ and maybe you should start a thread about it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Wed Jan 19, 2011 @ 6:28pm |
| Coolness: 66675 | lol some pretty intense opinions |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» perception replied on Thu Jan 20, 2011 @ 11:48am |
| Coolness: 65890 | a tad off topic, but I just want to add that, yes we know that the nervous system is resilient when it comes to abusing drugs that increase serotonin levels (neurons will regenerate if provided the necessary nutrients), note that this says nothing about the condition of the heart, liver, kidneys or colon. The heart is greatly affected by drugs that increase serotonin and dopamine levels (this damage I believe is dependent on the mechanisms that the drugs uses to increase the levels e.g., block reuptake pump, causes leaky vesicles, increase NT release by an increase in vesicle release, inhibits acetylesterase etc.,), heart damage include excessive wear and tear of the arteries and malfunction of NT receptors. We should also be warry of the damage to the filter organs, although that I don't know anything about.
I would also agree with Daf that there is a lot of "psychedelic drugs are medicine" opinions lately, although I am not entirely sure on how many actually really believe that except Yoshin and a few others. I said it before, I may be a psychonaut once in a while, but I strongly disagree with the school of thought purported by McKenna & friends. Lastly, I am sticking with "why do pple take drugs?" --> for the experience ! For the experience of what!? that doesn't matter, that would be the motivation part, the reason is for plain old personal experience :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Daf replied on Thu Jan 20, 2011 @ 12:29pm |
| Coolness: 185330 | yeah sorry if it seems out of topic,
but i was pointing it out just so you guys, and others, will be careful while talking about drugs like i said i read a lot in most of the post how drugs can help in this and that, and i myself misinterpret the meaning of your arguments, so i was just trying to say that those subject should also, if not mainly, come with warnings and not give the impression that it's the best way to live your life also, i realize my post were very long haha, happens a lot when i try to share my opinions, though i said somewhere in there why i start using drugs too, just sayin' for my defense :P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Thu Jan 20, 2011 @ 5:29pm |
| Coolness: 166550 | i still believe that it is a subject worthy of discussion and that a thread on that matter may have an impact on the people reading it...
i just don't know how to start it lol |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Psykotropik replied on Fri Jan 21, 2011 @ 3:39am |
 Coolness: 37870 | I use drugs because I find the experiences incredibly interesting, as well as mentally and physically pleasurable. I also use them because I'm attracted to taking risks.
Originally Posted By YOSHIN
tobacco is not that harmful actually it's the additives they put in it... i think that smokers should unite and take cigarette companies to court for crimes against humanity........ That's not true. Tobacco is very carcinogenic - obviously whatever is used to treat brand-name cigarettes makes them even less healthy, but natural tobacco is still a very unhealthy drug to use on a regular basis. Originally Posted By daf
encouraging people to use any drug is also, sorry for using a such rude term but, retarded! I often encourage my friends to try drugs that I believe they will like. Most of the time, they have a great time. I don't see how this is "retarded." |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Daf replied on Fri Jan 21, 2011 @ 8:15am |
| Coolness: 185330 | i was talking more in this situation, in a drug prevention section, that telling people to try drug (who haven't tried them before, and are wondering if they should or not) is for me retarded IF you don't take the time to warn them about also the consequences and such
if you talk about drugs, suggest it to a friend and tell him all the + and - that comes with it, i don't see any problem, because after that, it's his own decision to use it though i think using the words "help" and "drug" in the same sentence is still dangerous and not a smart idea |
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