An Interesting Take On Vegetarianism.
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DrGonzo replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 8:22pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 8:48pm |
 Coolness: 38905 | Originally Posted By LUKEPERILNO WAY ARE YOU OR ANY OTHER VEGETARIAN OR VEGAN GOING TO CONVINCE ME YOU CAN GET THROUGH LIFE LIKE A JAIN IN NORTH AMERICA, WHERE EVERY ACTION WE DO LEAVES AN ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT. ALSO, YOU ARE KILLING MICROBES EVERY DAY. WORRY ABOUT THEM OFTEN?
The point of being vegan is not to COMPLETELY eliminate suffering, which we realize be impossible. The point is to eliminate as much of it as possible. Originally Posted By betty_haze
so what enlightened you was the example of your friend? not a stranger who almost aggressively insist on you to change, who guilt trip you, right? It makes no difference because I'd never been talked to about veganism before. If I HAD been exposed to it by a stranger, I would have taken to it too (and I wish that a stranger had talked to me about it, so that I could have gone to it sooner). And for the thousandth time, if you will please notice, I did not randomly come onto the board and start a new thread to preach. I am responding in the correct thread. Originally Posted By betty_haze
you seem like a fantastic person but some emotional / social sensitivity ship is missing. I'm quite in touch with my emotions thank you, comfortable with them enough to be empathetic to others and have compassion for them. Maybe I care enough about people too, to tell them about the harmful shit that's in animal products that's hurting them. Originally Posted By betty_haze
meat eater are not the mean guys here nor are the vegan the hero.. What is laughing about seals getting gored up, if it's not mean? Any reasonable person would call that mean. I haven't heard one reasonable argument here, just a bunch of banter and stupidity, over what names people would like to call me, instead of looking a the issues themselves. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 8:49pm |
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The point of being vegan is not to COMPLETELY eliminate suffering, which we realize be impossible. The point is to eliminate as much of it as possible. Yeah, that much is obvious, because we're all suffering through your b.s. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 8:51pm |
| Coolness: 38905 | Originally Posted By LUKEPERIL
Yeah, that much is obvious, because we're all suffering through your b.s. Your suffering (or mine, from your b.s.) is nothing compared to what the animals are going through. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 8:53pm |
| Coolness: 76845 | It's ok to eat fish, cuz they don't have any feelings.
Plus have you ever actually asked any of these animals if they mind being part of the food chain? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 8:56pm |
| Coolness: 38905 | Originally Posted By STRANGEDAHLIA
Sea Kittens are full of Omega-3 food for brains. Flax and hemp seed and other non-animal derived foods are even better for omega-3, and better processed by our body, without all the other crap. You might want to check into it, for your own sake. Update » Vegan wrote on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 8:58pm LukePeril - we have been updated scientifically now. It turns out that fish do have feelings. They have nociceptors. Have been proven to have working nerves. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 9:00pm |
 Coolness: 299460 | come on LukePeril. People have known about fishes having feelings since the sixties man!
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 9:04pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 9:07pm |
| Coolness: 38905 | Anyways. We are all self righteous. We all think that our own opinions are the best ones, otherwise, we would have different opinions than the ones we have now. So calling someone self-righteous is really stupid.
I'm out of this conversation now because 1- you're insane, 2- I am not preaching - I was responding to this POST which was preaching (hate) so take your heads out of your selfish asses long enough to see where the real preaching was coming from, and 3- You're pathetic, weak excuses for human beings if you feel no compassion. A very important part of you is missing, and yes you should feel guilty for committing cruelty or something is severely wrong with you. So, go fuck yourselves, but not the other animals. Update » Vegan wrote on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 9:10pm p.s. all the energy you spent trying to get me upset was wasted, because your idiotic flaunting and celebration of cruelty is nothing new or special, we've seen it all before. "Oooh I'm eating a hamburger it's sooo good" ... yeah well.. I'm just bawling my eyes out now... *sarcasm* |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 9:26pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 9:28pm |
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Seriously, convincing peoples not to eat meat is kinda like prying a kitten from the jaws of a pit bull. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PaLy replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 10:28pm |
 Coolness: 51855 | how about other carnivores?!
Isn't it cruel for a deer to be eaten alive by a pack of wolves? Or for a zebra to have its jugular veins pierced by a lion? How about the snakes that strangle their prays and eat them whole? Isn't that cruelty? What are we doing that is so different from any of those natural behaviors? Are you gonna go tell 'em how bad and cruel they are? Of course we live in greater societies, so we can't hunt anymore. We found another way, it might not be perfect, but nothing is. Instead of bitching, why don't you find a better, more humane way of raising and killing the animals needed to feed our society? Keeping in mind that we are not in 1850 anymore Since this cause means so much to you and you already know we're not going to turn vegan anytime soon, you should definitely concentrate on finding a solution to one problem instead of trying to save the world. One step at a time kids! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 11:05pm |
 Coolness: 158870 | Originally Posted By VEGANNIBAL
The point of being vegan is not to COMPLETELY eliminate suffering, which we realize be impossible. The point is to eliminate as much of it as possible. It makes no difference because I'd never been talked to about veganism before. If I HAD been exposed to it by a stranger, I would have taken to it too (and I wish that a stranger had talked to me about it, so that I could have gone to it sooner). And for the thousandth time, if you will please notice, I did not randomly come onto the board and start a new thread to preach. I am responding in the correct thread. I'm quite in touch with my emotions thank you, comfortable with them enough to be empathetic to others and have compassion for them. Maybe I care enough about people too, to tell them about the harmful shit that's in animal products that's hurting them. What is laughing about seals getting gored up, if it's not mean? Any reasonable person would call that mean. I haven't heard one reasonable argument here, just a bunch of banter and stupidity, over what names people would like to call me, instead of looking a the issues themselves. you say you didn't know nothing about vegan ism or vegetarian diet before you were 20? wow you don't go out often or read right? so before your "conversion" you were not a compassionate carrying person if i follow your logic..? you were only ignorant.. that's it/ once you knew the truth you changed... THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALL A INTERNAL PROCESS. you did your own realizations and you decided to apply them BRAVO!!! BUT so i repeat you fail to really change people's mind on here.. so stop being so upset. ps: chill,,, you see i chill even if africa is dying and that violence and war and all kind of society shit affect me and makes me anxious.. i chill and i don;t go out imposing my views or my theory on any shit... i just try to live by my rules in MY life.. isn't enough? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 11:14pm |
| Coolness: 38905 | OK I'm actually going to respond to my this because it's the only thing I've seen here that even comes close to a reasonable discussion.
Originally Posted By PALY
how about other carnivores?! Isn't it cruel for a deer to be eaten alive by a pack of wolves? Or for a zebra to have its jugular veins pierced by a lion? How about the snakes that strangle their prays and eat them whole? Isn't that cruelty? What are we doing that is so different from any of those natural behaviors? Are you gonna go tell 'em how bad and cruel they are? Of course we live in greater societies, so we can't hunt anymore. We found another way, it might not be perfect, but nothing is. About the carnivorous animals - they are carnivorous, and have no choice in the wild but to eat other animals. They also don't have them in prisons their entire lives before eating them. I know the wild is not a cozy happy friendly place, but, it's also the wild and some animals have to eat others for SURVIVAL. In today's society, we do not have to use other animals for our survival. In fact, humanity will survive longer if we do not. We have evolved to a place where we SHOULD be able to know better than to harm and exploit others if we do . not . need . to. So if you guys think our brains are so much better than the other animals, we should be able to use those huge intellects to take care of everything and take care of ourselves, not recklessly fuck it all up. Originally Posted By PALY
Instead of bitching, why don't you find a better, more humane way of raising and killing the animals needed to feed our society? Keeping in mind that we are not in 1850 anymore There are now too many humans on earth for this. I say, stop fucking breeding ourselves and that will solve a lot of problems. Also what is raising and killing "humanely"? I realize that some ways are worse than others, but really for me no type of imprisonment and unnecessary killing merits the term "humane", or a better term, "acceptable". Exploitation is not reasonable when it's not needed. Keeping animals for food is also not reasonable or "humane" to the future generations of humans because of the environmental repocussions. Well, you know I could come up with a billion reasons and go on about this forever. Originally Posted By PALY
Since this cause means so much to you and you already know we're not going to turn vegan anytime soon, you should definitely concentrate on finding a solution to one problem instead of trying to save the world. One step at a time kids! Vegan IS a first step. It's not all we need to do, it's the bare minimum. I do not think I'm actually "doing anything", I'm just doing a lot less harm than most people. Trying to do the least amount of harm as I can. Yes, that does make me a nice person. Not "better" necessarily and not flawless, but I'm doing it because I care about what happens to others around me, not only myself. If you can't understand that and just want to diss it somehow, it's really your problem and not mine. I didn't come in here trying to turn people vegan (though that would be an unexpected but nice outcome). I came in here defending against someone who was trying to turn everyone AGAINST veganism. I came in here defending against someone who was trying to turn everyone AGAINST veganism. I came in here defending against someone who was trying to turn everyone AGAINST veganism. The first post was the real preaching. The first post was the real preaching. The first post was the real preaching. Get it now? It's nice that I can just happily copy and paste that without saying anything, munching on my chocolate/maple/pecan rice cream. Seriously that shouldn't have to be repeated so many times but it's something pretty vital to this conversation, how I'm not the one who went off preaching/hating, I suggest, again, you all read the opening post of this thread. Look who is preaching. This was a response to some very stupid uneducated attacks from some dipshit who knows nothing about veganism but goes on like he does. Typical. If ya don't mind, I'm off to play some chess and poker, eat this delicious lentil/pecan/date spread I made over thin sesame crisps and basil with hemp hearts sprinkled liberally over it. Then I'm gonna have some cashew butter and goji berries, do my evening stretches, finish writing the song I made today, and fall asleep holding my guitar and stuffie, sucking my thumb. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PonChalice replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 11:14pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 11:24pm |
| Coolness: 38905 | Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE
you say you didn't know nothing about vegan ism or vegetarian diet before you were 20? wow you don't go out often or read right? I lived in Calgary Alberta. Most people there do not know what vegans are. It's an amazing thing for someone to even GO vegan in Calgary. If you were there, you would understand. It's not like Montreal. Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE
so before your "conversion" you were not a compassionate carrying person if i follow your logic..? you were only ignorant.. that's it/ once you knew the truth you changed... You missed every thing I said, dincha? ;) I never said I was not compassionate. I was totally compassionate. I was ignorant at the same time. Then I found out some truth, and since I was compassionate, and open minded to learning new things, and reasonable, I adapted to the new knowledge with some changes. Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE
THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALL A INTERNAL PROCESS. you did your own realizations and you decided to apply them BRAVO!!! BUT so i repeat you fail to really change people's mind on here.. so stop being so upset. I'm not so upset. How do you figure. I am sitting here behind a monitor and you have no idea whatsoever what my demeanor is like. From this end, to me, it looks like you're all jumping up and down hysterically waving bacon and images of gory animal abuse in the air. So, chill :) AGAIN, I didn't come on here to change people's minds. I came on here to counter the hate/preaching that was spewing from the original post. Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE
i chill and i don;t go out imposing my views or my theory on any shit... Tell it to the first poster, not me. Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE
i just try to live by my rules in MY life.. isn't enough? Not enough for the animals who are being tortured, no. And not enough for me, since I care about their suffering. How's that for honesty? p.s. lol, what you said is like saying "I'm a serial killer, and I keep babies in sensory deprived cages where they can't turn around... but I just try to live by the rules in MY life... isn't it enough?" ... :P lol. insane people. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 11:30pm |
| Coolness: 158870 | yo dude i almost never eat meat... i eat almost always raw in my daily routine and i would say during seasons, 85% of my food intake is fucking pure organic food grown in my OWN garden.
go tell your shit to someone else.. i wasn't talking anymore about your cause or whatever i totally agree w/ you on that. i just find you annoying in your approach.. your relationship must be fucked up or inexistent if you want to apply your living to others this way. good luck 4 the bf or gf! hah anyhow we got it. you are vegan. it's your passion and you love it. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 11:39pm |
| Coolness: 38905 | Originally Posted By BETTY_HAZE
yo dude i almost never eat meat... i eat almost always raw in my daily routine and i would say during seasons, 85% of my food intake is fucking pure organic food grown in my OWN garden. go tell your shit to someone else.. i wasn't talking anymore about your cause or whatever i totally agree w/ you on that. i just find you annoying in your approach.. your relationship must be fucked up or inexistent if you want to apply your living to others this way. good luck 4 the bf or gf! hah anyhow we got it. you are vegan. it's your passion and you love it. that is not the point, again. (yes the vast majority of my food is local too, yay for having your own garden, I wish I had one). tell me, do you have a problem with the first post? again im not trying to apply MY living to others, I only wish they would stop applying THEIR violence on others. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PaLy replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 11:43pm |
| Coolness: 51855 | Thanks for acknowledging my post
Response too long and repetitive -- Denied Your diagnostic -- Brainwashed Thanks for choosing [ Rave.Ca ] we appreciate your business and hope to hear from you again! ========================= PaLy * What if I'm right and you're wrong What if you knew it all along? ========================= Update » PaLy wrote on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 11:43pm hehe last part is a quote from a song, not to be taken seriously |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Vegan replied on Thu Jan 29, 2009 @ 11:51pm |
| Coolness: 38905 | Originally Posted By PALY
Thanks for acknowledging my post Response too long and repetitive -- Denied Your diagnosis -- Brainwashed Thanks for choosing [ Rave.Ca ] we appreciate your business and hope to hear from you again! ========================= PaLy * What if I'm right and you're wrong What if you knew it all along? ========================= Thanks for acknowledging my post Response too short and thoughtless -- Denied Your diagnostic -- Brainwashed Thanks for choosing apathy. The livestock industry appreciates your business and hopes to hear from you again! ------------- lol. I'd like to know who I've been brainwashed by? My info seems to all match up, with many scientific studies to back it up. Good night and have fun dying of heart disease and cancer! :) |
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