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Are Level 4 A Bunch Of Murderers?
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» soyfunk replied on Fri Mar 21, 2003 @ 8:49pm |
 Coolness: 127010 | sorry but anyone who thinks communist rocks is really wrong
if you were in a communist country you'd really rather be somewhere else fuck being left wing fuck being right wing i want two wings i wanna fly |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PitaGore replied on Fri Mar 21, 2003 @ 8:51pm |
 Coolness: 472045 | Sam yo ok ?
Comin tomorrow ? I miss you bro ! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Bunnytronix replied on Fri Mar 21, 2003 @ 8:52pm |
 Coolness: 152750 | AYO!
deep words there man, YOU have the sickest lines... can't wait to see you 2morrow m8te. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PoiSoNeD_CaNdY replied on Fri Mar 21, 2003 @ 8:52pm |
 Coolness: 91930 | sam is right |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PitaGore replied on Fri Mar 21, 2003 @ 8:54pm |
| Coolness: 472045 | Sam is left too...
Sam is free ! Dan is free ! Simon is free ! Life rules ! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» soyfunk replied on Fri Mar 21, 2003 @ 8:54pm |
| Coolness: 127010 | life is great
let's take it to the concord dawn thread to stay on topic |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown replied on Fri Mar 21, 2003 @ 9:51pm |
 Coolness: 222005 | whatever.. we should stop judging by whats happening in Russia. Look at Japan. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» soyfunk replied on Fri Mar 21, 2003 @ 9:53pm |
| Coolness: 127010 | whats happening in japan? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown replied on Fri Mar 21, 2003 @ 9:55pm |
| Coolness: 222005 | aren't they like all communist and stuff? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» soyfunk replied on Fri Mar 21, 2003 @ 10:04pm |
| Coolness: 127010 | i dont know about that
but i dont know alot of things can someone clairify this? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown replied on Fri Mar 21, 2003 @ 10:22pm |
| Coolness: 222005 | i really think they are.. unless a CONSTITUTIONAL MONARCHY doesn't mean communism.. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» da_instagatah replied on Fri Mar 21, 2003 @ 11:48pm |
 Coolness: 144470 | we where trashing out hotel room cause we where superstar dj s and thats what super star dj s do
ahahahahh |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» G__ replied on Sat Mar 22, 2003 @ 3:32pm |
 Coolness: 141605 | RUKASS |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Czarkastik replied on Sat Mar 22, 2003 @ 4:34pm |
 Coolness: 149245 | communism might be a neat looking theory, but when you try to apply it by force in a capitalist international market, ya, shit gets mad sticky. Note that Karl Marx was simply a historian and economist, credited with outlining the policies of a communist state. In fact, his musings were more aking to 'predictions', he felt that historically, by viewing the relation between the land-owners/bourgeoisie, and the working class, it was only a matter of time before the proletariat gained control of the means of production. Stalin and Lenin, for example, took action upon his theories, bringing the russian communist nation state into being, and they can be criticized for a hell of a lot of shit. In the end however, you're just being a brainwashed capitalist North American with no real understanding of what the individual russian's life or level of personal happiness was other than what the fucking US, north american and intrinsically capitalist media system tells you. It's a never-ending circle of cynicism, disbelief and stunted theoretical idealisms. what gives?
but look at Cuba. they're all mad communist and shit... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Czarkastik replied on Sat Mar 22, 2003 @ 4:34pm |
| Coolness: 149245 | Henry Kissinger: War Criminal or Old-Fashioned Murderer?
Incredibly, Henry Kissinger—the man who rivals Pol Pot for the dubious honor of being the person responsible for the death of the largest number of innocent people in South East Asia (and far surpasses Pol Pot in criminality when one factors in Kissinger's various levels of responsibility for wholesale slaughter and repression in other parts of the world)—still wields significant power in the United States; but his role as eager facilitator of mass murder, totalitarian repression and other atrocities is never discussed in polite society. Although Kissinger is a frequent guest on Nightline, where he is treated as a harmless and venerable elder statesman, his friend Ted Koppel has never brought up the topic of Kissinger's responsibility for the horrifying deaths of so many in Asia, Latin America and other areas of the world. It is safe to assume that Koppel has no intention of doing so in the future. In fact, Kissinger's continuing influence over what the US government does, and what is reported about what the government does, can clearly be seen is a relatively recent media event: Kissinger's significant behind-the-scene role in effecting CNN's retraction of the "Tailwind" story. CNN's ostensible justification for the retraction is laid out in the compromise-ridden Abrams/Kohler Report. Although the Tailwind story's producers, April Oliver and Jack Smith, had ample evidence to draw the conclusions that they did (see the Oliver/Smith Rebuttal to the A/K Report), CNN quickly caved when the Pentagon and Kissinger, whose role in the indiscriminate mass killings in South East Asia is a well-known but never-mentioned (by the mainstream media) fact, both objected to the story. "Tailwind" alleged further U.S. atrocities in SE Asia during Kissinger's reign, specifically the use of poison gas during an illegal U.S. black operation in Laos. (Imagine the U.S. media retracting a story about an atrocity committed by Saddam Huessein because Saddam claimed it never happened.) When the usual right wing flacks, predictably, went ballistic over the story, CNN quickly decided on a strategy of appeasement and hired Floyd Abrams to work along with David Kohler—who, as CNN's legal advisor, had already given Smith and Oliver his advice that the Tailwind story was, as prepared for broadcast, legally defensible—to produce a report that would absolve CNN's upper-management of any wrong-doing. That is precisely what their report did. The A/K report systematically ignored the best, strongest, and most direct evidence that Oliver and Smith had amassed during the course of their investigation and condemned the Tailwind story by adhering to a simple strategy: it examined only the weaker, subsidiary evidence and disingenuously implied that this weaker evidence was in fact the most significant evidence the producers had found. In short, Abrams and Kohler set up a straw man, then knocked it down. But neither Kohler nor CNN ever explained what had changed, what new evidence had come to light, to effect Kohler's 180-degree turn-around. How, in two short weeks, did the evidence that Smith and Oliver had compiled go, in Kohler's mind, from justifiable and responsible to insufficient and insupportable? This is a question that the A/K report does not even pose, much less answer. CNN has, however, said what allegedly was not a factor: CNN adamantly denies that the unprecedentedly quick retraction had anything to do with the pressure applied by Kissinger, Colin Powell and other powerful government people —thus leaving a vacuum at the center of the rationale for this whole embarrassing and unnecessary reversal. CNN would much rather leave this incident hanging with no explanation than admit it left two producers to twist in the wind because of management's cowardice in the face of pressure from powerful government-connected people. And CNN would evidently much rather be in the good graces of the government than defend it's dubious claims to any kind of journalistic integrity. The A/K report does not claim that new evidence had come to light to contradict what Smith and Oliver reported; rather, the report, and it's co-author David Kohler, claim that the very evidence Kohler had found compelling and legally defensible was now somehow neither, even though that evidence had not changed. CNN's way of dealing with this seeming paradox was to imply Abram's sole authorship of the report: the CNN webpage where the full text of the A/K Report resides makes no mention of Kohler's name or of his role in the writing and preparing of the report. There was no reversal, CNN implies, because the evidence was being looked at by a different person who reached a different conclusion about the worthiness of that evidence. Kohler's role in the A/K report went down the memory hole. CNN's quick retraction and summary firing of producers Oliver and Smith sent an unmistakeable message to anyone who might want to follow up on this story: approaching this issue, even if in good faith (and even the compromised Abrams/Kohler Report concludes that Oliver and Smith acted responsibly and in good faith), will cost you your job and your good name. When the rest of the mainstream media gleefully jumped on the bandwagon to condemn CNN and Oliver and Smith, it became clear that nobody in the mainstream media was going to follow up on this story despite the convincing preliminary case made in the Tailwind report, and despite the many promising leads that have yet to be pursued. Needless to say, CNN's summary firing of Smith and Oliver pulled the rug out from under them: they had been working on a follow-up to the original Tailwind story when CNN gave them the shiv. CNN has ensured that that story will probably never be told. The media, once again, fell all over itself to become apologists for the Pentagon and the National Security state—some going so far as to claim that CNN admitted the story was "false", when in fact, CNN's retraction, while pusillanimous and abject, went no further than to say that story "could not be supported". It should be noted that Smith and Oliver repeatedly asked to interview Kissinger for the story; Kissinger repeatedly refused. Clearly, Kissinger would rather work his magic behind the scenes and not be forced to answer questions about his role in the affair. Amazingly, many in the mainstream media viewed Kissinger's outrage at the Tailwind story as evidence that the Tailwind story was not true. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» G__ replied on Sat Mar 22, 2003 @ 7:28pm |
| Coolness: 141605 | i saw that novella, it was on a coffee table...i used it as a coaster...FOWP!!!! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Czarkastik replied on Sat Mar 22, 2003 @ 8:08pm |
| Coolness: 149245 | well maybe if you picked it up and READ IT, instead of drinking your fucking martinis or whatever, then you'd KNOW WHAT THE FUCK WAS GOING ON IN THE WORLD. CAPITALIST SCUM. white male patriarchal alcoholic wifebeater.
GORDO! sorry. i lost it. mo west rules. those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it. or some shit. (I never really understood that crap.. I mean, MAYBE they'll repeat it, but what are the actual chances that history will repeat itself -wether or not we actually KNOW anything about history or not.. the chances have to be infinitesmal) and shiiiit. !one love. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Czarkastik replied on Sat Mar 22, 2003 @ 9:49pm |
| Coolness: 149245 | Were George Bush and various American government agencies responsible for drug dealing activities that destroyed the lives of millions of citizens, both directly and indirectly, and swept waste and ruin across the USA? This is a subject that the American legal institution now has to formally examine.
History was made on March 15th of last year when class action lawsuits were filed simultaneously in Los Angeles and Oakland, holding US government departments (the CIA and the Department of Justice) and individuals responsible for the onset of the crack cocaine epidemic starting in 1982, and the consequential economic and social devastation of inner city communities. This is not the first time that proceedings have been initiated against the CIA, but these cases are based upon documents that are already available publicly, unlike previous efforts that have tried unsuccessfully to obtain classified information through the legal process. In March 1998, the House Intelligence Committee received results of an investigation into the CIA, Contras and drug trafficking. A declassified version of this damning report was finally released in October 1998. Also, documents passed between Attorney General William French Smith and DCI William Casey prove that people acting for the CIA were involved in drug trafficking and that the CIA and DoJ conspired, starting in 1981, to conceal that information. Every Government department and agency has a duty to report any information or allegations pertaining possible violations of criminal law by government officers and employees. The CIA tried bending the rules and absolving responsibility in a secret agreement with the DoJ, for thousands of assets, agents and contractors who were known to be involved in drug trafficking activities. In 1999, an interesting document came into the hands of Ray Kohlman, written by William Casey (DCI deceased), and admitting direct involvement in the drug trade. Casey's affidavit states that cocaine was flown into Mena airport, Arkansas, where local law enforcement investigations were being contained by the then Governor, William J. Clinton. Orders for these operations came from highest levels of government and investigations show irrefutable links between Clinton and the CIA. Kohlman's own affidavit states that most of the contents of Casey's document can be proven and he will testify to its contents in court. Kohlman is also the attorney representing Bill Tyree in a civil case brought against George Bush, the CIA and the US Army amongst others. Tyree is an ex-special forces operative who was framed after voicing reservations about orders to conduct domestic surveillance, harassment and blackmail operations. He was involved in CIA Watchtower missions (planting radio beacons in Columbia so cocaine could be flown undetected) and the Sandman project (assassinations), and is currently serving life imprisonment for the murder of his wife, despite forensic evidence and witness testimony that suggests otherwise. Another person to speak out about drug trafficking was Albert Carone, a retired New York police detective with CIA and mafia connections. Before his death (chemical toxicity of unknown etiology), Carone made statements to family about drug dealing activities of notables such as Oliver North, George Bush and John Poindexter, and also about murder and torture. When he died, his military records, his NYPD pension, his bank accounts, his driver's licence and registration all mysteriously disappeared. He did though leave behind information that backs up all his allegations, and his daughter holds further evidence that George Bush was behind drug money laundering through various banks worldwide. Carone also alleged that George Bush was connected to the assassination of JFK. Celerino Castillo, an agent for the DEA, posted in Central America from 1984 to 1990, kept detailed diaries of his assignments, including names, case numbers and DEA computer records. He also holds pictures and passports of those murdered by CIA assets with agency approval. The information he has, again proves CIA complicity, and a statement has been published on the web so that it is freely available and his words cannot be corrupted. One individual who has tirelessly campaigned to make this information public is Michael C. Rupert, a former LAPD narcotics officer who was witness to much corruption during his time in the police. He has been pivotal in shedding light on the scale of CIA and government drug trafficking operations, both through sworn testimonies, his newsletter, ‘From The Wilderness’, and his web site, [ www.copvcia.com. ] It is only through the brave efforts of these and other individuals who have risked their lives, and countless more who have lost their lives in suspicious circumstances, that much of this information has come to light, let alone reach the stage where it may be acted upon. Present cocaine consumption in the US is over 600 tons per year. The four biggest states for drug importation are California, Florida, New York and Texas. The four biggest states in the US for money laundering also happen to be California, Florida, New York and Texas. It is hardly surprising then that eighty percent of all money for presidential elections comes from those four same states. It would seem that not only have those in power been selling drugs to fund covert operations, but that drug money forms the basis of the American financial institution. Without it there would be economic meltdown. One certainty is that it will be years before the trial eventually begins, and those effected will undoubtedly try every dirty trick in the book to ensure it's dismissal. It remains interesting to see then what happens when the cogs of justice eventually start to turn. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» G__ replied on Sun Mar 23, 2003 @ 4:12pm |
| Coolness: 141605 | cnn can lick my balls
why the fuck can't they tell us something important, instead they show us the next mornings newpaper titles... |
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