Woo! Iphone Finally Out
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 9:43am |
 Coolness: 92470 | well even here we already have wi-fi phones, skype phones, Windows phones. It's not only in Japan where the display is the only thing new. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 10:07am |
 Coolness: 685795 | ..the display is NOT the new thing, more like the interface.. Read the article. In japan, their phones are their debit card, credit card, HDTV, metro/buspass, organiser/agenda, wireless internet browser (without wifi/bluetooth, though they support them), GPS device, 3MP camera.. They're light-years ahead of the iPhone. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 10:10am |
 Coolness: 339870 | fred.... how can a phone be an HDTV? :|
HDTV's have nearly a million pixels.. find me a phone with a resolution of 720x1360 or more and i'll believe you. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 10:15am |
| Coolness: 685795 | ...maybe because we're actually pretty far behind tech-wise? Did you even bother to read the article?
Here's some more: [ ink.bur.st ] ...and what the fuck, all I'm getting when I click links from google is dead links. Well, you can use google, right? Take a look for "HDTV phone". They've got wireless HDTV signals in japan/korea, no need for cable hookup. They're already testing out 4G phones, while over here we've barely got proper coverage for G3. They're WAAAAAAAAAY the fuck ahead of the western market. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 10:31am |
| Coolness: 339870 | Dude, you reaaaaaally need to stop using blogs as your source of info..
there's no such thing as an hdtv phone. No phone today has enough processing power to display video at such a high resolution, never mind the display for it. Hell, unless you have a fast computer you wont even be able to play 720p video, forget 1024i.. I dunno what crap you've been reading, but there's no such thing as an hdtv phone. Japanese phones aren't that much better than here in northe america, what they do have better over there is the cellphone networks. they're far more advanced and have much better service. Technology is not bound by borders like that, whatever phone they've got in japan is available here too, it's just a matter of the cell carriers allowing them to be used through their services, if carriers here don't offer 3G (overrated) then a 3G phone is useless here. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 10:57am |
| Coolness: 685795 | Yeah, I guess that the Sony Ericsson SO903iTV is just a figment of the internet's collective imagination. And so is this new tech that's putting an HD projector into cell-phones.
Totally impossible. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 11:04am |
| Coolness: 92470 | Fred.. I was talkign about the only new things the iphone has on currently existing phones HERE, not the only new thing japanese phones have on ours, I agree with you that they are waaay ahead. Even in Greece everyone has video conferencing which is practicially unheard of here. We're a garbage can.
They can add all those other fancy features the japanese phones have and sell them to us if they wanted to but they don't want to. Update » moondancer wrote on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 11:07am I dunno why, I wish I did but I can see how it might be of advantage to have a place like this where they can sell crap and keep milking dollars out of older technology. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 11:08am |
| Coolness: 685795 | Yeah, compared to the phones we have now, over here, the iphone is a few generations ahead. But the japanese and korean aren't gonna be switching any time soon, because the iphone is a step backwards for them. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 11:09am |
| Coolness: 92470 | yeah.. but what I was trying to say before is we have stuff like the iPhone out now but without the cool display. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 11:11am |
| Coolness: 339870 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
Yeah, I guess that the Sony Ericsson SO903iTV is just a figment of the internet's collective imagination. And so is this new tech that's putting an HD projector into cell-phones. Totally impossible. "New MEMS technology could lead to dime-sized, high-resolution projectors." what part of that headline makes you think that there is currently a cell phone on the market that could be classified as "HDTV"? Not to mention the fact that they're talking about projectors, not cellphones with HDTV displays.. for sure any such technology will need a crazy power source which means plugging it in, which isn't much of a cellphone if it needs to be plugged in while in use. There's a clear reason why japan has all these cellphone services available to them and we don't.. Japan has 339 people per square km Canada has 3.2 people per square km United States has 34 people per square km it's far easier to provide high tech services in very dense locations since it costs s shitload less to deploy. not to mention the fact that most of those cellphones are produced in japan.. which makes them the idea testbed. Update » neoform wrote on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 11:27am [ news.softpedia.com ]
The mobile phone comes equipped with a 3 inch 260 k color LCD wide screen with a resolution of 240 x 432 pixels (WQVGA), and a 16:9 ratio as well as a 1.1 inch sub display. The SO903i also includes 1Seg digital TV support and the Bravia Engine for mobile phones developed by Sony and Sony Ericsson.
240 x 432 is not HDTV. 1280x720 and higher is HDTV. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 12:28pm |
| Coolness: 92470 | HD tv doesn't only have to do with resolution.. or it'd prob be called HR tv.
HDTV resolution explainedBy David Katzmaier (September 12, 2006) Resolution is the main reason why HDTV looks so much better than standard television. On a high-def TV displaying a high-def source, a million or more pixels combine to create images that appear sharper and more realistic than TV ever has before. Resolution isn't the be-all and end-all of picture quality, however, and its numerous, well, numbers, can be incredibly intimidating at first. In this article we'll try to demystify HDTV resolution and help you cut through the hype that surrounds all of those numbers. How important is resolution? Not as important as you might think. According to the Imaging Science Foundation, a group that consults for home-theater maufacturers and trains professional video calibrators, the most important aspect of picture quality is contrast ratio, the second most important is color saturation, and the third is color accuracy. Resolution comes in a distant fourth, despite being easily the most-talked-about HDTV spec today. In other words, once you get to high-definition, most people are perfectly satisfied with the sharpness of the picture. All other things being equal--namely contrast and color--HDTV looks more or less spectacular on just about any high-def television regardless of its size or the HDTV signal's resolution itself. The leap from normal TV to HDTV is so big that additional leaps in resolution--from high-def to higher-def, let's say--are tiny by comparison. Nonetheless the HDTV landscape is littered with resolution discussions, in regard to both sources and displays, so a little knowledge of how they interact is a good thing. [ www.cnet.com ] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 12:42pm |
| Coolness: 339870 | That's irrelevant. All HDTV's are in fact high resolution. Just because they say it's 4th on the list of importance does not mean you can have an "HDTV" that is low resolution. Update » neoform wrote on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 12:43pm Take one of the legs off a table and it's not a table anymore. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 1:04pm |
| Coolness: 92470 | yeah I know but it's not defined by resolution which means that maybe MEMS can be considered a ligitimate HDtv technology since it uses a little doohicky to draw shit on a screen, I don't think it's working with pixels from what I understand so the resolution wouldn't matter it would still be high def. Anyways, the hell if I know what I'm talking about, just pointing it out that if you could acheive HD picture quaility without having high resolution I think it woudl still be considered HD. Update » moondancer wrote on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 1:05pm Whether it exist yet is another story, I dunno. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 1:09pm |
| Coolness: 339870 | sure, you can have a high definition picture.. but that means nothing, fred was talking about "HDTV" which is a defined standard which has a minimum resolution of 1280x720. Anything less is not "HDTV". |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 1:29pm |
| Coolness: 92470 | * HDTV Minimum Performance Attributes:
Receiver: Receives ATSC terrestrial digital transmissions and decodes all ATSC Table 3 video formats Display Scanning Format: Has active vertical scanning lines of 720 progressive (720p), 1080 interlaced (1080i), or higher Aspect Ratio: Capable of displaying a 16:9 image1 Audio: Receives and reproduces, and/or outputs Dolby Digital audio |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Tue Jan 23, 2007 @ 1:47pm |
| Coolness: 339870 | there you go.
the only thing that a cellphone would be capable of is the aspect ratio and maybe (only if it had some crazy processing power) be able to handle the ATSC formats.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Wed Jan 24, 2007 @ 3:40am |
 Coolness: 140890 | just so i know whats the standard for low def tv?
240 x 432 on a 3 inch screen is still very high def to me (even if its not standard-wise HDTV... understand the concept of standards and all but...) my point being, I am impressed but about the standards thing... I find it really silly that hdtv standards are based on resolution... definition and resolution are not synonymes!! I dont understand why its not based on pixels per inch... like printing standards use DPI (dot per inch) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Wed Jan 24, 2007 @ 8:13am |
| Coolness: 339870 | Uhh, high resolution images are what make it high definition..
a standard tv does a varying number of scan lines.. it depends on your tv, but it's around 480x500 |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali replied on Wed Jan 24, 2007 @ 4:21pm |
| Coolness: 140890 | ...yah what I mean Ian is that 1024 x 720 on a 17 inch screen and 1024 x 720 on a 42 inch screen wont have the same number of pixels by inch..
but yeah now that i think of it i understand why standards have to be based on resolution... with broadcasting and a hddvd and shit... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD replied on Wed Jan 24, 2007 @ 4:22pm |
 Coolness: 509765 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
..the display is NOT the new thing, more like the interface.. Read the article. In japan, their phones are their debit card, credit card, HDTV, metro/buspass, organiser/agenda, wireless internet browser (without wifi/bluetooth, though they support them), GPS device, 3MP camera.. They're light-years ahead of the iPhone. What you may not realize is that what you're describing is all software. Software which can be written for the iPhone, the iPhone that hasn't been released yet and who's feature list isn't finalized. Besides, would you want your cell to be your credit card? Like you lose your camera/phone/mp3 player and back account at the same time, fuck THAT. And wait, wireless internet without wifi or bluetooth? Bluetooth and wifi are protocols and frequency standards, the chips have more capabilities than you might imagine, but why build a capability into something that won't be used... For a wireless bus pass (moronic in my opinion considering 1% of bus riders would have one) STM would have to design and implement WITH the manufacturer AND the cell phone company everything. Then they would have to install a wireless terminal in every single bus and metro station to make emotely useful. Japan can do it because they have the population, but here it simply doesn't make sense to put a wireless buspass reader in buses if you're going to put it in every single one. And there's NO point in putting it in buses that get, say, 4-5 people on it when 0 of them will have this thing, so no deal. You would have to start your OWN transit service with everything being brand new from scratch to make that even a remote possibility. So, it's a feasibility issue, it's just not worth it, as 'cool' as you might think it is. VIVA in toronto is a good example, they are relatively new and have tons of features that Montreal bus riders would find futuristic. But they could only achieve that because they were brand new a couple years ago, they saw what options were availlable and implemented the ones that made sense. now I stop ranting. |
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