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World Trade Center (the Movie)
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Mon May 22, 2006 @ 12:06am |
 Coolness: 158820 | actualy a underground movie ( a short) exist about an other 9/11. in 1973,on the 11 september,pinochet took the power.
but it's totaly true that a white life have more value than a black one or... but more we advance in the history,it's not the color who his important but more if u are rich or poor... why the big country or the onu should go in rwanda for stop a genocide? they are just some poor black people with nothing...let the massacre happen...but if a dictator have a lot of fuel...let get save all the poor citizen...pffff! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BA_Baracus replied on Mon May 22, 2006 @ 12:06pm |
 Coolness: 121120 | but again, why should the usa be the only country expected to go rescue/help? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Mon May 22, 2006 @ 12:09pm |
 Coolness: 92350 | They weren't. Nobody helped even though the U.N was made 100% aware in advance and that is proven fact. He is talking about the entire U.N, he didn't even say U.S. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» PitaGore replied on Mon May 22, 2006 @ 12:16pm |
 Coolness: 471890 | ha movies about reptiles and freemasons and big shocking secrets ; rent 'em and then get visited by some weirdos in your dreams asking ya to shut up about it all .....sketchy as hell |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Mon May 22, 2006 @ 12:31pm |
| Coolness: 92350 | Originally posted by DRGONZO...
its cause we're talkin about the US here? Everyone accross the ocean is a devil worshipper. And earthquakes in Devil Land? I dont know what you're talking about, it's probably all just propaganda in order to get our good ol' american money. It might even be God punishing all the little children for being little devil worshippers and future terrorists. How much longer must we let them live?? How many buildings destroyed is too many buildings destroyed? I pray that someday they find their way to Jesus. God Bless. have you ever heard of Katrina? That was definitely a bigger tragedy for the U.S than this! And no, the earthquakes are not propaganda!!! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BA_Baracus replied on Mon May 22, 2006 @ 12:34pm |
| Coolness: 121120 | yes the UN=the league of nations, completely useless |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Mon May 22, 2006 @ 12:48pm |
| Coolness: 158820 | Originally posted by B.A. BARACUS...
but again, why should the usa be the only country expected to go rescue/help? i don't think that the usa should be the only one to go fix problem...but all the country of the G8. and the fucking onu can kiss my ass. they are a bunh of fucking asshole! because when the majority of your investisment are in these country et que ca tourne mal,the minimum is to stay and resolve the shit that u initiated! exemple of how rich country decided to wash their hand: if we look the genocide of republic of rwanda... it was a ethinicity massacre... but originaly it's never been realy determinate who was the tutsi and who are the hutu. first,the german colonize the country in 1899 but the belgium took it in 1917 following the first world war.in the 30' the begium decide to separate the rwandais for a better control. they did like in the concentration camp:mesuring their noze,their height...and issued i.d. card. this action create a kind of false ethinicity and injustice beetween the two of them. we all know the result....a fucking big slauther! so i think that the belgium was in fault.they had should go and resolve the situation that they created years ago at their own advantage! ethicity hate is not so easy to create...you need to invest money...and if u invest money it's because that after u make your money back and more... so you don't think that the rich country who make their money on the back of the poor country should take an action when someting realy bad happen? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Mon May 22, 2006 @ 12:54pm |
| Coolness: 158820 | Originally posted by DRGONZO...
its cause we're talkin about the US here? Everyone accross the ocean is a devil worshipper. And earthquakes in Devil Land? I dont know what you're talking about, it's probably all just propaganda in order to get our good ol' american money. It might even be God punishing all the little children for being little devil worshippers and future terrorists. How much longer must we let them live?? How many buildings destroyed is too many buildings destroyed? I pray that someday they find their way to Jesus. God Bless. for someone who take the nick of one of the best/cult journalist you have strange opinion...maybe u should read some article by dr.hunter s. thompson... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Mon May 22, 2006 @ 1:09pm |
| Coolness: 92350 | Whoever started what happened in Rwanda should have been the one to stop it but there's no reason why no other country couldn't have sent help either. A lot of people believe that what happened in Rwanda was a social experiment on civil war by the U.N but I don't think there is actually any proof to that effect, although it does seem like it considering everything, i think the only thing that is proven is that the U.N was made quite aware of what was about to happen and did nothing(they even knew where the weapons were hidden). The letter from Kofi Anan to a U.S commander is of particular interest to read but here's a timeline for anyoen interested:
Significant events, statements and decisions that reveal how the United States and the West chose not to act to save hundreds of thousands of lives in the Rwandan genocide of 1994. April 7 Hutu gunmen systematically start tracking down and killing moderate Hutu politicians and Tutsi leaders. The deputy to the U.S. ambassador in Rwanda tells Washington that the killings involve not just political murders, but genocide. The U.S. decides to evacuate all Americans. Canadian General Romeo Dallaire, head of the U.N. peacekeeping force in Rwanda, is told by headquarters not to intervene and to avoid armed conflict. Day 1 Estimated Death Toll: 8,000 April 9, 10, 11 Evidence mounts of massacres targeting ordinary Tutsis. Front page stories newspaper stories cite reports of "tens of thousands" dead and "a pile of corpses six feet high" outside a main hospital. Gen. Dallaire requests a doubling of his force to 5,000. Nearly 3,300 Americans, French, Italians and Belgians are evacuated by troops sent in from their countries. Day 4 Estimated Death Toll: 32,000 April 15 Belgium withdraws its troops from the U.N. force after ten Belgian soldiers are slain. Embarrassed to be withdrawing alone, Belgium asks the U.S. to support a full pullout. Secretary of State Christopher agrees and tells Madeleine Albright, America's U.N. ambassador, to demand complete withdrawal. She is opposed, as are some African nations. She pushes for a compromise: a dramatic cutback that would leave a token force in place. Day 8 Estimated Death Toll: 64,000 April 16 The New York Times reports the shooting and hacking to death of some 1000 men, women and children in a church where they sought refuge. Day 9 Estimated Death Toll: 72,000 April 19 By this date, Human Rights Watch estimates the number of dead at 100,000 and calls on the U.N. Security Council to use the word "genocide." Belgian troops leave Rwanda; Gen. Dallaire is down to a force of 2,100. He will soon lose communication lines to outlying areas and will have only a satellite link to the outside world. Day 12 Estimated Death Toll: 100,000 April 21, 22 The U.S. and the entire U.N. Security Council vote to withdraw 90% of the peacekeepers in Rwanda. At the urging of Human Rights Watch, the White House issues a statement calling on four Rwandan military leaders to "end the violence." It is the only time during the three months of genocide in which high-level U.S. attention is directed at the genocide leaders. Day 14 Estimated Death Toll: 112,000 April 25 Gen. Dallaire is down to 450 ill-equipped troops from developing countries. He works to protect some 25,000 Rwandans who are at places guarded by U.N. forces. He still hopes the Security Council will change its mind and send him forces while there is still time. Day 18 Estimated Death Toll: 144,000 April 27 Pope John Paul II uses the word "genocide" for the first time in describing the situation in Rwanda. This same day, Czechoslovakia and Argentina introduce a draft resolution to the U.N. Security Council that includes the word "genocide." Day 20 Estimated Death Toll: 160,000 April 28 The press ask State Department spokeswoman Christine Shelly whether genocide is happening. Her response carefully tries to avoid the word: "…we have to undertake a very careful study before we can make a final kind of determination…." Day 21 Estimated Death Toll: 168,000 May 1 A Defense Department discussion paper, prepared for a meeting of officials having day-to-day responsibility on the crisis, is filled with cautions about the U.S. becoming committed to taking action. The word genocide is a concern. "Be careful. Legal at State was worried about this yesterday -- Genocide finding could commit [the U.S.] to actually 'do something.'" Day 25 Estimated Death Toll: 200,000 May 3 The U.S. unveils long-planned new peacekeeping doctrine (Presidential Decision Directive 25). In emphasizing the need to establish first what is in the "national interest," it limits U.S. participation in U.N. missions and U.S. support for other nations that hope to carry out U.N. missions. Day 27 Estimated Death Toll: 216,000 May 5 A Pentagon memo rejects a proposal from Gen. Dallaire and State Department officials to diminish the killings by using Pentagon technology to jam the extremists' hate radio transmissions. "We have … concluded jamming is an ineffective and expensive mechanism.… International legal conventions complicate airborne or ground based jamming and the mountainous terrain reduces the effectiveness of either option. … It costs approximately $8500 per flight hour … it would be wiser to use air to assist in the [food] relief effort." Day 29 Estimated Death Toll: 232,000 May 13 Horrified by the scale of the killings, some members of the U.N. Security Council are ready to increase Gen. Dallaire's force. Dallaire's plan is for 5,000 more troops to secure Kigali and create safe havens in the countryside. But the State Department instructs U.N. Ambassador Albright to work to modify the plan. The U.S. wants to create protected zones at Rwanda's border areas, a less risky option for intervening troops. Day 37 Estimated Death Toll: 296,000 May 17 Six weeks into the genocide, the U.N. and U.S. finally agree to a version of Gen. Dallaire's plan: nearly 5,000 mainly African U.N. forces will be sent in and the U.N. requests that the U.S. provide 50 armored personnel carriers (APCs). Bureaucratic paralysis continues. Few African countries offer troops for the mission and the Pentagon and U.N. argue for two weeks over who will pay the costs of the APCs and who will pay for transporting them. It takes a full month before the U.S. begins sending the APCs to Africa. They don't arrive until July. Day 41 Estimated Death Toll: 328,000 May 25 Seven weeks into the genocide, President Clinton gives speech that restates his policy that humanitarian action anywhere in the world would have to be in America's national interest: "The end of the superpower standoff lifted the lid from a cauldron of long-simmering hatreds. Now the entire global terrain is bloody with such conflicts, from Rwanda to Georgia. Whether we get involved in any of the world's ethnic conflicts in the end must depend on the cumulative weight of the American interests at stake." Day 49 Estimated Death Toll: 392,000 June 22 Eleven weeks into the genocide, with still no sign of a U.N. deployment to Rwanda, the U.N. Security Council authorizes France to unilaterally intervene in southwest Rwanda. French forces create a safe area in territory controlled by the Rwanda Hutu government. But killings of Tutsis continue in the safe area. Day 77 Estimated Death Toll: 616,000 July 17 By this date, Tutsi RPF forces have captured Kigali. The Hutu government flees to Zaire, followed by a tide of refugees. The French end their mission in Rwanda and are replaced by Ethiopian U.N. troops. The RPF sets up an interim government in Kigali. Although disease and more killings claim additional lives in the refugee camps, the genocide is over. Day 100 An estimated 800,000 Rwandans have been killed |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Mon May 22, 2006 @ 1:22pm |
| Coolness: 158820 | yeah! and the worse was at the 2004 commemoration in rwanda...u saw all these rich goverment reprezent crying...
what a bunch of ugly fucking hypocrite!!! i red a lot about these events..and i read the last post even if i knew the details.i think that is mon devoir de ne pas oublier...thank u moondancer. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Mon May 22, 2006 @ 4:19pm |
 Coolness: 201310 | if Rwanda had oil they would care more |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BA_Baracus replied on Wed May 24, 2006 @ 12:33pm |
| Coolness: 121120 | so who should go in to help?
africas a messed up place, rwanda aint the only one going to shits |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk replied on Wed May 24, 2006 @ 12:50pm |
 Coolness: 153090 | i say kill everyone who is not american!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed May 24, 2006 @ 12:53pm |
| Coolness: 92350 | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!what??
You obviously don't understand the situation dear. We're talking about thousands of people being killed in seconds after being led into confined spaces. 600,000 people dying in one day is far from being the problem anywhere else in the africa or in the rest of the world, at that time as well as now, nor has this happened at any time in between. There's a difference between ongoing problems(where the U.N always seems to be helping already anyway) and code red crisis's where no one responds AND that was planned by all those who would normally respond in the first place. Who should go? Everyone and anyone. The same people who go everytime something happens but ignored the biggest crisis of all. France did respond(AFTER 50 DAYS).Let's review this, you don't ahve to be good at math for this one: Day 1 Estimated Death Toll: 8,000 Day 4 Estimated Death Toll: 32,000 Day 8 Estimated Death Toll: 64,000 Day 9 Estimated Death Toll: 72,000 Day 12 Estimated Death Toll: 100,000 Day 14 Estimated Death Toll: 112,000 Day 18 Estimated Death Toll: 144,000 Day 20 Estimated Death Toll: 160,000 Day 21 Estimated Death Toll: 168,000 Day 25 Estimated Death Toll: 200,000 Day 27 Estimated Death Toll: 216,000 Day 29 Estimated Death Toll: 232,000 Day 37 Estimated Death Toll: 296,000 Day 41 Estimated Death Toll: 328,000 Day 49 Estimated Death Toll: 392,000 Day 77 Estimated Death Toll: 616,000 Day 100 An estimated 800,000 Rwandans have been killed If there were UN troops anywhere else in Africa they should have been pulled out ASAP on day 1! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Wed May 24, 2006 @ 12:58pm |
| Coolness: 92350 | you know, but any possible excuses for that are welcome.. really.. you might even get hired by the government if you can come up with one. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Holly_Golightly replied on Wed May 24, 2006 @ 1:57pm |
| Coolness: 158820 | Originally posted by B.A. BARACUS...
so who should go in to help? africas a messed up place, rwanda aint the only one going to shits alot of private organisation,with alot of good intentions,give help to these mess country! but its not enought! my husband went to africa 2 years ago in new guynee.he made data base in refugee camp.like that family can reach each other. it was a realy strange marquante experience for him... africa always been exploited by white people almost since the begining of occidental history.. if u take south africa...when the apartheid ended in 1991...the power was give back to nelson mandela...he was able to orgaznize his own country...i think rich country should help africa but minding their own bizness after... now they help but in the same time they do it because they have advantage and new possessions. but its almost perdu d'avance...all the peeps there have aids ! aawwww !man! what a terrible situation!! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BA_Baracus replied on Thu May 25, 2006 @ 4:41pm |
| Coolness: 121120 | so i guess France wins |
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