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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue Feb 7, 2006 @ 1:30pm |
 Coolness: 145325 | TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- A prominent Iranian newspaper says it is going to hold a competition for cartoons on the Holocaust to test whether the West will apply the principle of freedom of expression to the Nazi genocide against Jews as it did to the caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed.
Hamshahri, which is among the top five of Iran's mass circulation papers, made clear the contest is a reaction to European newspapers' publication of Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, which have led to demonstrations, boycotts and attacks on European embassies across the Islamic world. Hundreds of Iranians hurled stones, and sometimes gasoline bombs, at the Danish and Austrian embassies in Tehran in protest against the cartoons on Monday. The Austrian mission was targeted as the country currently holds the EU presidency. The newspaper said Tuesday the contest would be launched on February 13 and would be co-convened by itself and the House of Caricatures, a Tehran exhibition center for cartoons. Both the paper and the cartoon center are owned by the Tehran Municipality, which is dominated by allies of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who is well known for his opposition to Israel. Last year Ahmadinejad provoked outcries when he said on separate occasions that Israel should be "wiped out" and the Holocaust was a "myth." Hamshahri invited foreign cartoonists to enter the competition and said it wanted to see how open the West was to caricatures of the Holocaust. "Does the West extend freedom of expression to the crimes committed by the United States and Israel, or an event such as the Holocaust? Or is its freedom only for insulting religious sanctities?" Hamshahri wrote, referring to the Prophet Mohammed cartoons, in a short article on its back page. The paper disclosed its plan to hold the competition in an inside page on Monday, saying it would announce details on Tuesday. But Tuesday's edition said the plans would be published next Monday. Meanwhile, state television reported Tuesday that Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki had called his Danish counterpart, Per Stig Moeller, and urged Copenhagen and other European governments to "compensate for their mistake" in publishing the drawings. The Foreign Ministry also summoned the Bulgarian ambassador to protest the publication of the prophet cartoons in Bulgarian newspapers, the television said. The Prophet Mohammed cartoons were first commissioned and published by a Danish newspaper in September. As Muslim protests mounted, numerous European newspapers have reprinted them in recent days in the name of free expression, provoking wider and angrier protests. The cartoons touched a raw nerve, partly because most Muslims forbid any illustration of the prophet for fear of idolatry and partly because several drawings portrayed Mohammed as a man of violence. One cartoon depicted the prophet as wearing a turban in the shape of a bomb with a burning fuse. # The West's publication of the Prophet Muhammad cartoons was an Israeli conspiracy motivated by anger over Hamas' win in the Palestinian elections, Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said Tuesday. Speaking to Iranian air force personnel, Khamenei the cartoons were a scandal, particularly as they came "from those who champion civilization and free expression." The caricatures amounted to a "conspiracy by Zionists who were angry because of the victory of Hamas," he said, referring to the Palestinian militant group that won a surprise landslide victory in last month's elections. Khamenei, who has the final word on all matters in Iran's Islamic system, was speaking at a ceremony to mark the air force's decision to join the Islamic revolution in 1979. His speech was broadcast on state radio. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Tue Feb 7, 2006 @ 3:24pm |
 Coolness: 201350 | man well I know a lot of arab newspapers have had very offensive cartoons about Israel and Jews and although some people have protested this, nobody is trying to start war over those cartoons...
But I mean we make fun of Jesus and other religious figures all the time... Making fun of the Holocaust is not the same as saying that Abraham was a douchebag or whatever... I really think the extremists are just trying to start shit with the west over this... They'll make any excuse to burn a flag.. I heard that the cartoons that really pissed people off were actually phoney and weren't even ones that were published in the newspaper... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue Feb 7, 2006 @ 4:39pm |
| Coolness: 145325 | it's a double insult to muslims
1)it is an insult to islam to depict the prophet (Idoltry) 2)it is even worse to depict him in an unflatering light (desparaging the prophet) |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Wed Feb 8, 2006 @ 1:48am |
 Coolness: 159245 | Originally posted by SCOTTYP...
I heard that the cartoons that really pissed people off were actually phoney and weren't even ones that were published in the newspaper... Yeah, problem is those extremists couldn't care less what the truth is. They are convinced that what they saw was real and anybody who says otherwise are just trying to screw with their heads and plan false information. I mean, suuuuuuure, it's a conspiracy theory, the actual cartoons were printed than all newspapers were replaced with ones that had phoney cartoons before they made in to the news stands. They seem to be adamant about those backwards impossible brainwashing ploys. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Feb 9, 2006 @ 1:00pm |
| Coolness: 201350 | well the cartoons in a lot of arabic media are just as bad... For instance I saw a television commercial that was shown in syria that was basically equating Israel with nazis... If anything that is just as offensive.. Maybe we should start blowing up their embassies over that ? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Fri Feb 10, 2006 @ 3:28pm |
| Coolness: 145325 | there was a cartoon that i saw yesterday of Hitler and Anne Frank in bed (obviously after sex) and hitler says 'put that in you diary'
ya i agree its pretty offensive |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Fri Feb 10, 2006 @ 7:50pm |
| Coolness: 201350 | yeah lets go burn down an embassy now!!!! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kishmay_Pinas replied on Mon Feb 13, 2006 @ 2:56pm |
 Coolness: 103380 | True its apples and oranges insulting mohamet and dissing the HOlocasut.
But the argument here is that does our western idea of free speech and freedom of the press (which is what we are hiding behind in justifying printing these images) extend to include discourse on the holocaust, which as we've seen no it does not! In North America it is prety much considered a hate crime just to suggest the possibilty that 6 million jews didn't die in the holocaust. What the iranians are trying to establish is I think very fair, if free speech allows someone to disrespect their religion and prophet, than simple logice says free speech must also extend to denying the Holocasut. or saying 2+2 =5 or whatever. FREE SPEECH is FREE SPEECH (even in a place that does not have free speech) We all got opinions, We all got assholes and most times we just talking shit |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Tue Feb 14, 2006 @ 8:29am |
 Coolness: 92390 | The only reason they came out with those holocaust things was because of the mohammed cartoons. They warned us about that before they ever came out. Offensive? yes. Fair? More than fair since it isn't against our religion to print images of Hitler. I think it's really stupid that all these news papers refuse to stop printing those cartoons, saying they are standing up for freedom of speech. Please tell me, what is the message they are putting across that way? Nothing, nothing at all. It's totally pointless, no one ever threatened our freedom of speach. Just cause we can legally say whatever we want it doesn't mean we should. It's just plain disrespectful and it's just adding fuel to the fire. Go print your dumb cartoons so more people can die. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Morphine replied on Thu Feb 16, 2006 @ 11:47am |
 Coolness: 51095 | yeah because it's totally the fault of the cartoon publishers that there have been deaths and violent uprisings across the globe, and certainly not the fault of the fucked up ideologies held by those doing and inciting the violence.
i'm highly suspicious of of iran and the motives behind its official statements and whatnot, but in this instance, i applaud what Hamshahri is doing. now we will see if it's really about free speech or not. i'm jewish and i'm sure i would find cartoons that depict a denial of the holocaust offensive, but if it ever came to rioting in the streets, you'd find me champoining the right for those cartoons to be published. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform replied on Thu Feb 16, 2006 @ 12:14pm |
 Coolness: 339790 | even if it was a cartoon saying dnb and breaks aren't music? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Thu Feb 16, 2006 @ 8:44pm |
| Coolness: 201350 | I think we should burn down the Iranian embassy cause they said some mean things about Israel... makes sense ? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Fri Feb 17, 2006 @ 12:08am |
| Coolness: 92390 | It wasn't the fault of the first person who published it, they weren't expectign that to happen, it's the fault of everyone who re-published after that so that it could contine to happen and after already realising the offensive and dangerous nature. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Fri Feb 17, 2006 @ 12:40am |
| Coolness: 159245 | Again, these muslim groups have long exclude the word " humor " from their vocabulary.
If I was to reflect on all this, I wouldn't even discuss these people's right to be insulted. I'm guessing a humorous depiction of Jesus sodomizing a lamb wouldn't receive a very warm welcome with catholicly inclined Texans. The problem I see is here is how they DEALT with this issue, therefore showing the entire world that they're nowhere near mature enough to use diplomacy, respect and common sense. However, the same cannot be said about the protest in Montreal a few days ago. From what I saw, they didn't so much as tilt a mailbox more than 10 degrees and managed to get the point across nonetheless. If they can pull that off, why can't we all ? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Fri Feb 17, 2006 @ 12:46am |
| Coolness: 92390 | what are you getting at? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer replied on Fri Feb 17, 2006 @ 12:49am |
| Coolness: 92390 | The point is there is no use trying to fight someone immature. It's like a bunch of kindergarten kids. Oh you burned our embassy so were gonna print more cartoons boohoohoo. That way four more people can die just so we can prove our point. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Fri Feb 17, 2006 @ 1:23am |
| Coolness: 145325 | the war of symbols goes on... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope replied on Fri Feb 17, 2006 @ 2:02am |
| Coolness: 201350 | I heard mohammed and jesus fucking sucked each other off
then they ate a shitload of pork |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Fri Feb 17, 2006 @ 7:57am |
| Coolness: 159245 | Sacrilege ! If I was a muslim, I'd so totally go to your house, chant and yell, burn down your house, get beaten up by cops and eventually die.
Serves you right. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Morphine replied on Fri Feb 17, 2006 @ 8:43am |
| Coolness: 51095 | Originally posted by MOONDANCER...
It wasn't the fault of the first person who published it, they weren't expectign that to happen, it's the fault of everyone who re-published after that so that it could contine to happen and after already realising the offensive and dangerous nature. riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight |
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