What's the point of spending so much time sub-categorizing, anyway?
It's a tired trend...

The mixing artists ought be more concerned with delivering something that speaks with their own unique voice, not from the label they attach themselves/are attached to.

I've had a few conversations with people who go to Ayahuasca ceremonies, and one fellow in particular was really curious about the viability of throwing raves.

He was shocked and disappointed to learn that it is extremely difficult to get rave patrons interested in events priced higher than $30; he and his buddies regularly spend $150-$200 on their events, which have far less frills... for example, no electricity.

So... the acid should be provided at future raves, as the cactus is at Ayahuasca events?

Either that, or don't hold it in a bar. More people might've been interested last-minute if they knew they could at least BYOB in peace.


:-) Thanks for the good times.

To quote a buddy...

"Anyone who has $40 in their pocket is probably too responsible a citizen to be interested in raving."

Maybe a review of the target audience is in order.

At any rate, thanks for your hard work. I, and I'm sure everyone else who participated, had a blast! The sound was hilarious. I'm surprised none of those windows out front were blasted right off...

Loved the venue. :-)

Astral Projection - Ambient Galaxy (Disco Valley Mix)
Astral Projection - Liquid Sun

... Older stuffs... what I grew up with, though. Nostalgic factor and all that... besides, as far as I've been able to find out of them, they really haven't been making anything notable since.

Electro, breaks, and techno don't go together. Sounds like a major clash of ideas, trying to include "everything".

Oh! What if there was also an acoustic stage for folk and death metal?!?!?!!1

Sub-heavy minimal techno.

^^Woah... threats of violence and hatred much? That hardcore must be getting to you, MolocH.

Uh... I thought Sensient was pretty rad... ?

Though I hear Brian Sanhaji @ Circus (of all places...) was the party of the year...

Liked it, but would've loved it with a chill room. :-)

Great party, still.

Great event. Thanks.

And anyone throwing a party at 3810 St. Patrick is welcome to hire me to work at cleaning the place for at least 8 hours for a couple free entries...

FIY, I was the one who cleaned all the windows in the main room before Sensient. After a couple years of seeing the same hand drawings in the dusty windows, figured that was long enough, as cute as they were...

Hilarious. :-)


Peace, dudes.

That's one of the most retarded things I've heard, Kire. Here's the reason.

Figure, I have an extra ticket...

So what do I do? Wait around the entrance and scalp it for 20 dollars, or give it back to Vince so he can sell it to someone for 30 dollars?

If I scalp it, Vince loses 10 dollars. Here I am trying to do Vince a favour and save myself the trouble of waiting around to sell the ticket at the door, and I'm supposed to feel like a n00b for having an extra ticket?

It's about business! I was doing everything I could to give Vince good business! Yeah, right. Fucking rude service, if you ask me, and 'cause of it, I'm really not keen on giving Vince much business in the future. Certainly not going out of my way anymore.

You also tried to steal my money, Vince, when I was doing you favours.

I go out and buy a whole bunch of tickets for friends who tell me they're coming to make sure they come. Some change their mind, I end up with two extra tickets.

So what do I do... rather than annoying you by asking to return both, I GIVE ONE AWAY, at my own expense, so a friend who wouldn't have come otherwise would come and see how wonderful your parties are. He though it was weak and left after an hour.

I have one left over and can't afford to give this one away. So when I go up to you at the party and ask to return it, because the nice gentleman at the door was scared to refund on his own fearing the wrath of Vince or something, you try to give me shit, saying you'll take 10 dollars for it.

Go suck a lemon. You're damned right you took it back for 20 dollars, but fuck you for arguing with me.


You're not going to get this kind of help out of me again 'cause of that, Vince.


And for anyone confused, I love psy-trance raves, and so does my girlfriend. We met at Eclipse, and we fell in love at a psy trance rave last year. This is what we do. But anyway, it's a serious fucking issue when my girlfriend has an asthma attack. It's only happened one other time. She's not a weak, fragile creature by any stretch of the imagination. The situation had to be utterly disgusting to set it off, and it was.

Fucking disgusting party, in my opinion, thanks to the smoke and lack of comfortable space to chill. If you have a problem with me saying that, go fuck your face on an icepick. :-D

Urgh. Party was really weak for me, my girlfriend, and friends that I brought... except for the paintings.

I doubt Prism Code will ever get my friends back at another event after that one. Pretty disgusting, actually, what with all the smoke.... never thought I'd say that, considering I smoke like a chimney... but anyway, when my girlfriend had an asthma attack, we left. Maybe it was better later in the morning, but way too gross for us between 1-3.

Fucking good. Can't get [parts of] the night out of my head.

Hilarious.

And, indeed, the rave sure is sketchier when ketamine & GHB are more prevalent than MDMA.

That's the annoying part... only the bourgeois can really afford to be a professional in the field because so many amateurs are willing to do it for free, and kids who have pupils the size of quarters can't very well tell the difference between a trainwreck and a creative mix...

The art always takes a second place to the drugs, in parties like this...


... And, Namaste... most DJs ought to be able to do creative mixes with CDs... some of the most talented DJs in Montreal are still using CDJ's...

I don't know that my feedback was negative -- I'm raising some questions that I've asked myself countless times but have never dared ask because I knew I'd get a hostile reaction.

The thing I'm ashamed about this scene the most is that it's the drug dealers who are getting what ought to be the artist's and promoter's money.

It means just as I implied...

But I'm not implicating everyone nor anyone in particular...

Heh -- just curious if DJs are getting their dues for playing parties. It costs a lot of money for an artist to play even just one night as well as a lot of time.

Though, I suppose... with the line-up as it was, it's unlikely that many of the artists would have really felt pressure to buy more tracks as I don't think anyone played more than an hour....

Nonetheless... do the DJs get paid, or are they paying out of their own pockets (not just tracks, but the time that needs to be put into it... not to mention studio gear...) ... ?

I do understand, however, that there are indeed many artists who would be happy to do such a show out of the kindness of their hearts, and who, at the same time, show proper respect to producers by buying every single track they play... but, in a scene such as that, I can't but help but think there are a lot of hacks too (hackers, thieves, false idols...)

Oh... and the iconicism of some of the performers sketches me out, too... 16 year olds are pretty vulnerable to manipulation, especially when on drugs, in the face of such colourful, over-the-top characters who present themselves as the greatest beings in the history of all great beings. Some DJs, I think, are trying to have the people believe they're God or something...

I'm actually very keen to hear some well reasoned and/or empirical arguments against these thoughts... no disrespect intended to anyone, but I strongly believe, for the health of the scene, that such concerns ought be brought to the table for the sake of better understanding...


Heh -- it was a good party. :-)

I'm also curious...

With events such as these, where does the money taken at the gate go?

How much to rentals (place, equipment) and how much to artists?

With such a full line-up, I'm assuming the artists just get free entry... either that, or some artists get some and others not.

... A bit difficult for artists when tracks of good quality (WAVs) cost $2.50 from most legitimate online retailers... I'd be concerned that with such a small profit margin (if I am right in assuming artists get nothing) that the art will be consistently of very poor quality... (aka. stolen and performed by hacks).

Not to say the music was entirely unpleasurable... some of it certainly was alright... even pretty good...

I claim responsibility for causing some mayhem in the office space...

But hey, how on earth were we to know? We assumed the place had long been abandoned -- we politely did some research looking through the dusty documents that were to be found in there, and none of them were dated anything after 2002. Note that we put the documents back more or less where we found them... and the paper airplanes with the printing paper was a given! Seriously? Does it cost 500 dollars to clean up paper airplanes? The graffiti, on the other hand... well... I mean, if you think a place is abandoned, I hear it's protocol to tag it if you're all hip to the graffiti thing... but I dunno how that happened -- didn't have anything to do with it.

If you want people to know that this property is, in fact, being used and is not quite as abandoned as it seems, perhaps some information on site about the venue ought to be in order. You can't expect people to respect a place as it ought to be when it's unclear what the place even is... particularly with this sort of event.

Destructive actions are stupid, but paper airplanes and rummaging through historical documents make a rave a hilarious adventure.

So who's place is it, anyway? I learned it was Noah's Grandmother's when someone politely suggested we stop trying to break into the filing cabinet and said we ought to respect the place because it's Noah's Grandmother's place... and we did respect it! Airplanes ensued instead of a break-in! In retrospect, ought you really to be complaining about the paper airplanes, Noah? We intended to be much more mischievous... so really, the paper airplanes were out respect for your grandmother... !!!