Gun Control
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Sun 23 Dec, 2012 @ 3:03pm |
 Coolness: 106065 | Ironically, gun control was set up in Germany to stop organisations like the "brownshirts" from taking control over the country, so they took over democratically. Gun control was never an issue because gun ownership was rather low back then. Besides, the Jews in Germany where always quite compliant with the state and never really put up a fight. If they had, it would have likely escalated German hostility against them. The Nazi's did stage a false flag attack against the Reichtag to achieve just that.
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali a répondu le Sun 23 Dec, 2012 @ 7:35pm |
 Coolness: 140635 | Originally Posted By MTGREYLOCK82
Newtown is roughly 40 miles from where I live. This is the worst loss of life disaster to hit this state since the I-95 Bridge Collapse in 1983. The event was shocking in so many ways. However, the problem with gun control in the US is the way our government is structured. America has a decentralized form of government...meaning we have 50 states, cities and counties having different rules and regulations on everything. Because of the 2nd Amendment and our general conservative attitude, Washington has left most gun regulations to state and local governments. Connecticut, New York and New Jersey (the home state of the gunman) have the most stringent gun laws in America (semi-automatic weapons for instance are outlawed). However most states, especially in the South and West have little to no limits on gun rights. So, many people (criminals and legal buyers alike) go to these states and purchase guns with little hassle or questions asked. Add to this the "Stand Your Ground" law (legal in 31 states) which allows people to use deadly force if they feel their life is threatened. The best thing one can hope for in the wake of this tragedy is the reimposition of the Assault Weapons Ban (which George W. Bush let lapse in 2004). Outside of this, don't expect any new gun control laws in the foreseeable future. Washington cannot even pass a simple budget....let alone anything else. And remember, we had a sitting member of Congress last year from Arizona (Gabby Giffords) who was shot point blank by a gunman and NO piece of gun control legislation was introduced in the aftermath. BTW, there are actually more legally held guns (310 million) than people (300 million) in America. this might be the smartest thing I've read on this forum this year... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Sun 23 Dec, 2012 @ 11:36pm |
 Coolness: 145150 | Originally Posted By MELODICA
Guns don't kill people. I kill people. With guns. yes!!!!this is gold!!! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» pencapchew a répondu le Mon 24 Dec, 2012 @ 10:09am |
 Coolness: 35540 | Originally Posted By MTGREYLOCK82
BTW, there are actually more legally held guns (310 million) than people (300 million) in America. On a side note, that would be a very hard country for any foreign power to invade. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Tue 25 Dec, 2012 @ 12:01am |
| Coolness: 145150 | Originally Posted By PENCAPCHEW
On a side note, that would be a very hard country for any foreign power to invade. or for a military coup to take place in or any kind of authoritarian regime to emerge in...i think your getting the idea... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MtGreylock82 a répondu le Tue 25 Dec, 2012 @ 12:17am |
 Coolness: 28265 | Originally Posted By PENCAPCHEW
On a side note, that would be a very hard country for any foreign power to invade. Well that was one of the original purposes of the Second Amendment...to have the population armed in case of invasion (most likely from Great Britain). Of course today, our 5,000 nuclear bombs will do the job but like most things in my country, we're slow to readjust our laws to reflect the modern age. Originally Posted By basdini
or for a military coup to take place in or any kind of authoritarian regime to emerge in...i think your getting the idea... Right again....the South came closest to achieving that goal (against that mean authoritarian Lincoln). Had it not been for Lee's idiotic gamble at Little Round Top in Gettysburg, they might have succeeded. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Tue 25 Dec, 2012 @ 8:14am |
 Coolness: 685540 | Originally Posted By BASDINI
or for a military coup to take place in or any kind of authoritarian regime to emerge in...i think your getting the idea... Yup, because a bunch of barely-trained civilians are going to do such a good job against soldiers with armour-plated hummers mounted with .50cal machine guns, unmaned drones, AA-12 full-auto shotguns capable of shooting small grenades, lazer-guided grenade launchers, US Air Force strikes, etc etc etc.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BonusBeats a répondu le Tue 25 Dec, 2012 @ 9:13am |
 Coolness: 30790 | Stop crushing the American dream and thing about how magical Christmas is. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Tue 25 Dec, 2012 @ 9:37am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Tue 25 Dec, 2012 @ 11:13am |
| Coolness: 145150 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
Yup, because a bunch of barely-trained civilians are going to do such a good job against soldiers with armour-plated hummers mounted with .50cal machine guns, unmaned drones, AA-12 full-auto shotguns capable of shooting small grenades, lazer-guided grenade launchers, US Air Force strikes, etc etc etc.. ya but haven't you been following what's been going on??? look at afganistan, a bunch of goat herders fought the USA to a standstill, odds favor insurgents 9 out 10 times in the last 120 years... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MtGreylock82 a répondu le Tue 25 Dec, 2012 @ 12:55pm |
| Coolness: 28265 | The late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-New York) may of come up with the best idea for curtailing the use of firearms while sidestepping the Second Amendment. As I stated earlier, there are at least 310 million legal guns in circulation however there is only about a three year supply of ammunition in the country. So make the cost of ammunition so high that few people would be able to afford these weapons. Moynihan called for the government to impose a 10,000% tax on the sale of ammunition for high powered weapons that have been used in these shootings. Like most things here...if you want to change the hearts and minds of Americans, you have to hurt them through their wallets to make them do the right thing.
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Tue 25 Dec, 2012 @ 11:35pm |
| Coolness: 145150 | people will make their own ammunition in home machine labs, natives already their own anyway...tax all want, people will get around it... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MtGreylock82 a répondu le Wed 26 Dec, 2012 @ 7:04am |
| Coolness: 28265 | Oh, I agree Moynihan's proposal isn't 100% full proof (like Connecticut, New York and New Jersey's ban on assault weapons was not enough to prevent this tragedy). His proposal caught my attention because it's the first new idea from American liberals on this issue since 1970. This article explains why the traditional liberal approach to gun control has failed miserably in America:
[ blogs.the-american-interest.com ] Of course, here's the conservatives solution to this problem as articulated by Texas Gov. Rick Perry: [ www.youtube.com ] Virginia adopted a similar proposal after the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Wed 26 Dec, 2012 @ 12:58pm |
| Coolness: 685540 | Originally Posted By BASDINI
ya but haven't you been following what's been going on??? look at afganistan, a bunch of goat herders fought the USA to a standstill, odds favor insurgents 9 out 10 times in the last 120 years... True, but knowing the terrain has all sorts of advantages that give a "home field" advantage. Caves, secret tunnels, etc all give them massive advantages.. In the US, the whole infrastructure is planned out and mapped. If soldiers WERE to "invade" america, they would have all the blueprints to tunnels and sewers available to them so no one could get the drop on them. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» the_rider a répondu le Fri 28 Dec, 2012 @ 8:13am |
 Coolness: 42195 | Originally Posted By PENCAPCHEW
On a side note, that would be a very hard country for any foreign power to invade. Originally Posted By basdini
or for a military coup to take place in or any kind of authoritarian regime to emerge in...i think your getting the idea... Watching a movie like the original Red Dawn is a nice start to a reflection on the subject. A guerilla warfare with civilians using guns would make it hard to invade USA. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MtGreylock82 a répondu le Thu 21 Mar, 2013 @ 2:52am |
| Coolness: 28265 | Well, as predicted a few months back, yesterday the U.S. Senate shelved the reintroduction of The Assault Weapons Bill due to lack of support (the liberals had less than 40 votes for it).
[ www.politico.com ] Liberals, led by Piers Morgan are outraged by the news [ www.cnn.com ] [ www.nydailynews.com ] The only measure left is for Universal Background Checks and even this has a 50/50 shot at passing. We'll see if Alex Jones and his comrades at the NRA can defeat this as well. BTW, since the Newton massacre, 2,793 Americans have been killed by guns. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Thu 21 Mar, 2013 @ 6:41pm |
| Coolness: 106065 | I think everyone in the U.S. should be given a grenade at birth. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Fri 22 Mar, 2013 @ 5:38am |
| Coolness: 145150 | no, at least a tactical nuclear warhead... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» M-A-X a répondu le Fri 22 Mar, 2013 @ 6:59pm |
 Coolness: 121585 | Im happy for the honest shooters, hunters and assault rifles fans.
I don't believe that some guns are more deadly than others, only the people behind them. Then they shouldn't restrict types of firearms but what kind of people can own them. Limiting magazine capacity to 10 rounds was a good idea. I don't think competitive shooters, hunters or even in situation of home/self-defense you need more than 10 rounds. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Sat 23 Mar, 2013 @ 2:29am |
| Coolness: 106065 | Legalize guns... ban peoples |
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