Zeitgeist
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» LeChat a répondu le Wed 26 Jan, 2011 @ 6:59pm |
 Coolness: 115490 | moi jpense cest juste une autre facon de voir les choses... une idee que des gens voudraient ameliorer... perso jtrouve pas que cest idiot comme concept, cest sur quia des trucs qui devraient etre modifier... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BOBDYLAN a répondu le Wed 26 Jan, 2011 @ 7:02pm |
 Coolness: 148140 | data boy touche un point, c'est cool d'éveiller la conscience sociale mais autant le faire dans les formes standard de l'art. Je veux dire, c'est biaisé plus que mili vanelli. |
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| Good [+3]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Wed 26 Jan, 2011 @ 7:06pm |
 Coolness: 685545 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
The Zeitgeist movies are interesting for a few reasons. First, it gets peoples thinking, witch in and of itself is good. It gets peoples thinking about important moral and philosophical questions, witch in the current state of apathy just about everyone seem to be in, is a feat. Its entertaining and has shock value... cus frankly no one sits through factual documentary but the peoples that dont need convincing. Zeitgeist may not be the answer a lot of peoples are looking for, but it is a pretty good first step for many because it is motivating, and it makes you feel that you have a certain power and responsibility. It's one thing to get people to think, but another to get them to think by filling their head with total garbage. Christians think a whole lot about what's in the bible, but does that make it a good source of information? The things in Zeitgeist are just as fucking stupid.. Sure, it makes people think, but the kind of people that this kind of movie "makes aware" of things are the kinds of people who've never thought of the issues at hand and are now being fed total garbage as a first source. Knowledge works the same way as first impressions - they tend to last a lot longer than people would like to admit. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Wed 26 Jan, 2011 @ 7:23pm |
 Coolness: 106070 | First off The Zeitgeist movies are not 100% lies. A lot of it has to do with a somewhat goofy interpretation of history or sketchy references, but a lot of it is true. After seeing this movie a few years back, i felt compelled to check out some of the info in this movie and found that some was bunk, some of it unverifiable and some was factual.
I wouldn't compare Zeitgeist to the Bible because , well, Zeitgeist compels the viewer to go beyond the movie and ask questions and find answers, whereas the bible presents itself as a closed system. The fact that the creator of this movie is a MUSICIAN takes nothing away from the movie, or the idea it is trying to put across. Mohamed wrote one of the most important books known to humanity, and he was just a merchant. |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Wed 26 Jan, 2011 @ 7:32pm |
 Coolness: 166500 | hmm.
i read the overview, intro type thing. some of it is stuff punks have been saying for 30 years. this society is not sustainable! duh, but nice message. but, the solution they offer is weak ... "It is a system in which all natural, man-made, machine-made, and synthetic resources would be available without the use of money, credits, barter, or any other form of symbolic exchange." and how does that work? we all just volunteer to do what's necessary? great! problem is: that's how life would already be if it was possible! why do we use exchange of goods and services? 'cause it's the most fair way of making sure as many people as possible do their part. so, what do you do if the dude who repairs the water-supply-system-thingy doesn't feel like doing that anymore? threaten him with a gun? train someone else? who's gonna volunteer to pick up the trash? 'cause, y'know, no matter how perfect your society is, there's gonna be garbage. "... negligent for us to waste our lives waiting tables, working at a bus station, fixing cars" .. right. we don't need public transport! we don't like it when other people cook our food for us! i assume somewhere there's a solution in which people don't need transportation, or restaurants. ('cause if you're 10 miles away from home, we know the best thing to do is walk back and cook your own damn lunch :/ ) it's like saying: let's get rid of money, use what we already have, get rid of all things that aren't necessary for survival, and all just get up and do it! real ideal, real utopian. i like some of the basics. too bad it's impossible. too bad they're wasting their time on that, instead of addressing the real issue: there are just too many humans! ps. i wonder how many 'resources' they used to make that video, put up/run the site, and print that book. heh. |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Wed 26 Jan, 2011 @ 7:40pm |
| Coolness: 685545 | Yeah, to sustain their model of "utopia", everyone essentially has to lose their individuality and think like an engineer; there's a right way to do things, and a wrong way to do things, no in between. We'd have to essentially become unthinking machines, with no room for individuality or expression.
In a way it's like the ideal of Communism, where everyone does what they can, and gets what they need. But they forget to take into account human nature and individuality, and that people's needs and wants aren't always the same. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Wed 26 Jan, 2011 @ 7:46pm |
| Coolness: 166500 | so like, some dude walks up to you and is like: "here's a pile of junk, 3 manuals, and a screwdriver. now make yourself an oven, fridge, tv, PC, and personal transport device. good luck"
a week later, all the dyslexics are in the obituary - printed on paper culled from unread magazines, used kleenex, and picasso's original works. sounds awesome .. where do i sign up? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Wed 26 Jan, 2011 @ 8:11pm |
| Coolness: 106070 | The Venus project is kinda creepy but from what i have seen and read, it seems to be non-violent. Cant say the same for the "American dream" we get bombarded with constantly. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» LeChat a répondu le Thu 27 Jan, 2011 @ 9:32am |
| Coolness: 115490 | Originally Posted By ZOMBIENATHAN
ps. i wonder how many 'resources' they used to make that video, put up/run the site, and print that book. heh. contributions volontaires |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Thu 27 Jan, 2011 @ 5:09pm |
| Coolness: 166500 | Originally Posted By LECHAT
contributions volontaires j'parlait plus d'les materiaux, resources physique, genre, les resources qu'ils veulent que nous on arrete d'abuser .. knowwhatimean? ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Thu 27 Jan, 2011 @ 6:30pm |
| Coolness: 106070 | As-tu lue un peux le synopsis du venus project? Parce qu'on dirait pas... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Fri 28 Jan, 2011 @ 12:09am |
 Coolness: 145155 | zeitgeist is weird, of the three parts the part on money is probably the best of all three... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Fri 28 Jan, 2011 @ 12:46am |
| Coolness: 106070 | Agreed |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Psykotropik a répondu le Fri 28 Jan, 2011 @ 1:56am |
 Coolness: 37850 | I think anything that gets complacent people stuck in their parents' religion to actually THINK about things is good... even if it comes with biases, inaccuracies, and shock value. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Fri 28 Jan, 2011 @ 7:54pm |
| Coolness: 166500 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
As-tu lue un peux le synopsis du venus project? Parce qu'on dirait pas... yep .. well, i read the overview thingy. either way, the more i read the less logical it seemed. it's all utopian, but seems wrought with conspiracy theories, and the only way it could work would also mean robbing people of their individuality. i could come up with an ideal way to fix the planet too, write a book, and sit back and watch it top the charts while it changes nothing. there are alot of theories that look real nice on paper (or in a video) .. but, put it into practise, and you have a civil war on your hands . . . |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Fri 28 Jan, 2011 @ 8:10pm |
| Coolness: 106070 | Originally Posted By ZOMBIENATHAN
it's all utopian, but seems wrought with conspiracy theories, and the only way it could work would also mean robbing people of their individuality. This whole story reminds me of what Japan had to go through to survive as a peoples. As you know Japan is formed of islands. Eventually, they ran out of place on their island and had to put into applications a bunch of rules, laws that took away a lot of the liberty's they had in the past, or else they faced famine. Just about everything was rationed, they controlled the births, the environment became very important. The needs of the nation had to go before the needs of the individual for them to survive. Humankind is going through much of the same dilemma's as Japan did and something is gong to happen one way or the other. I have read and heard quite a few scenarios that where way more bleak that the Venus Project. If a bit of self expression and liberty are to be sacrificed so that the human race can existt in a balanced way, I kinda think it would be better that warding off zombie's in a barren wasteland. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Fri 28 Jan, 2011 @ 8:31pm |
| Coolness: 166500 | i see what you mean, but there's a big difference between a country tightening up and rolling up their sleeves in order to keep their country afloat, and the entire planet, 7 billion people, adhering to a restricted way of life. even if its for 'the greater good' not everyone is gonna fall in line, and so you'll get rebellion. nothing changes.
i agree that society does a lot of useless things that we could do without, and without those things we'd already be farther ahead and less wasteful. but these guys are talking about deciding our fate, telling us what is necessary and what isn't. and where does art fall into their big plan? i'd rather be dying artist that a living robot. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Fri 28 Jan, 2011 @ 8:58pm |
| Coolness: 106070 | I totally agree that its not the kind of thing that can impose itself on the world. I think what they are trying to do is to build it in the U.S. and see what happens. So far everything seems quite volontary.
I didn't perceive the Venus Project as some big fascist movement. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan a répondu le Sat 29 Jan, 2011 @ 5:37pm |
| Coolness: 166500 | Originally Posted By DATABOY
I totally agree that its not the kind of thing that can impose itself on the world. I think what they are trying to do is to build it in the U.S. and see what happens. So far everything seems quite volontary. I didn't perceive the Venus Project as some big fascist movement. well, as long as it's 'voluntary' and they leave me out of it, then no worries ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss a répondu le Mon 31 Jan, 2011 @ 5:09am |
 Coolness: 129675 | The moral of the story: Dont give Zeitgeist your money |
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