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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali a répondu le Thu 18 Nov, 2010 @ 11:05am |
 Coolness: 140660 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED
well i'd need to start by learning to play the bass... I'll get back to you in 10 years once I've mastered it. And dude the length of any given 1/16th note of most of my bass patterns will make a huge difference in how it sounds... How could I ever properly replicate that by playing a keyboard or a bass guitar no you dont need to learn the bass, either cut up your different notes (in 16th notes and all) and place them in a drum rack and use keys or pads to jam out your bassline... almost fuckup proof if you have any rythm... OR put a midi arp on your patch the way you need it and play the notes. Originally Posted By ALIENZED
Ableton live loops are fine but what if you want it automated in more than one way... I mean, yeah sure I can try and replicate what I've previously discovered to sound good, but if I miss it, I break everyone's vibe in a split second... it's safer and will sound better if it plays out the way I know/think it'll sound best, humans just aren't as precise as machines. yeah, and I'd rather hear a human than a machine... minor fuck-ups give personality to music... why do you think so many people go for sampled drums instead of programed drums? because it's human! Case in point, you are playing it safe... In fact you're taking zero risks. So no kudos for risk taking. Originally Posted By ALIENZED
or I can spend the time it'll take me to set up and practice that making a whole new track... given that I may not even get paid (hey it's psytrance!!) I'm just not willing to put that kind of effort into it. Like I've been saying since the start... in any other style, if people don't wanna put the effort in doing a live... they dj... plain and simple... and if you wanna dj only your tracks, thats great! Originally Posted By ALIENZED
only if you're expecting what you are describing. I don't think people going to raves or clubs really care at all what's being done up on stage but rather that the speakers destroying their ears are blasting something relatively well structured and good sounding. Wrong... oh so wrong... you havn't seen underground resistance live... 6 on stage playing different parts... or eskmo, playing keys while trigging loops, or exile play the mpc like crazy (it was far from tight but people went nuts!), or sub swara playing drums on pads, or mount kimbe doing everything they do on stage, or my band for that matter... trust me, if all these people had just been playing the tunes... not only would the crowd be bored as fuck but they wouldn't have gotten the booking in the first place On another note... I can be booked as a solo live doing what I do and everything is electronic and sounds reasonably decent... or I can be booked with the band... which is sure to induce a certain amount of human error... drummer might be a bit drunk that night and play a bit off, bassist might miss a few notes, signer might not be on point... but people and promoters would rather see the band because of the live element! In fact the only circumstance where I get booked for a solo live is if there is not enough room on stage for the band. The end point is that people do preffer the live element to sound quality. The only person you are satisfying by thinking otherwise is yourself and perhaps blasé elite. Originally Posted By ALIENZED
a good live set isn't lame if the music isn't lame... I mean, what credit do I get for spending literally hundreds of hours creating the Live in the first place? I almost feel like the Live set is a good time to sit back and enjoy the fruits of your labor... not struggle with an impossible task just so that my quality can suffer from it. What I understand here is that doing a "live" is basically just a way to make sure that everyone knows that what they are hearing is your tunes... and being payed a bit more Originally Posted By ALIENZED
i respect your opinion but I strongly disagree... true live would mean there's one guy on the drums, at least one on synth, one on bass and a DJ, oh shit there's a DJ, it's not actually Live anymore is it... nobody's playing the kick drum, nobody's playing the bass, real hi hats don't sound like that, real kicks either... I just don't see the point of doing a half assed job and pretending I'm playing a live by pressing a button every now and then.... not only did it take me a shitload of time to make the tracks, but I have to design the live itself, create transitions, remix and remaster everything... for what... 80$? I think a live starts being live when there is a noticible interaction between what the performer is doing and the music and the material being played is original. Originally Posted By ALIENZED
that video demonstrates exactly what I want to avoid... working so many extra hours to set your songs into a track that will really just degrade the music itself... there's no real flow when you're just pressing stop on one loop and start on another. and he's got his midi keyboard set up to control it all... GREAT! another 30 minutes spent setting up his equipment before his gig. and imo that's still not psytrance... back to my point: "Like I've been saying since the start... in any other style, if people don't wanna put the effort in doing a live... they dj... plain and simple... and if you wanna dj only your tracks, thats great!" also, if I'm not mistaken, he now uses a launch pad... so no... you don't need to spend 30 minutes setting your controller before every show... I personally love my apc-40 although the launchpad is alot more portable. Originally Posted By ALIENZED
and here's the kicker... mastering is all important and you can't master what hasn't been mixed, and you can't mix on the fly AND then master it before it hits the speakers... Kalan may have said something about that... im not gonna read it all again. In any case, I'm not a musician, I don't pretend to be... my music is based on years of trial and error, mostly error ;) so I'm not going to pretend that I'm 'making' the music as it's being played because that's just not true, nor would it sound good. BUT when Alien ZeD is booked for a Live set, you can be sure that I'm going to play all my own stuff and that I'm not going to let myself fuck it up by 'trying' to perform it on the fly. I AM however going to 'try' to show everyone a good time, and as Family Guy has proven, wacky inflatable arm flailing tube men are where it's at... at least I can be 4 of those words... wacky, arm flailing, man... yeah four! I think I've mentionned this about 10 times since the beggining of the thread... playing live does not mean you need to mix on the fly... playing your kick or your synth on the fly change it's volume or eq... the only circumstance where I can see this if you fader ride... So since none of you seem to want to answer the following question: "Why is it that, in the psytrance scene, artists do pre-produced (space bar followed by arm flailing) live acts instead of djing their own tracks like in any other style?", I'll answer it myself and I'll let you guys correct me when I'm wrong. A. The live set pays more than a dj set. B. When a set is "live" people know that the material is original wheras it's hard to tell that the material is orignial or not if it's a dj set. C. The trance nature of the music induces a state of mind that makes individuals itroverted and less attentive to the visual cues of the performance (which would probably make arm flailing unnecessary too) making the compromise of sound quality vs. live element less appealing to the crowd. Now bear in mind... I'm not really trying to accuse anyone of anything... I'm just trying to understand your motivations and understand why psytrance standards are so different than other styles... ok maybe I might also be taking the piss a lil' but don't take it personal I know everyone here works real fucking hard on their tunes and I respect all you guys... even if you just press on the space bar. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB a répondu le Thu 18 Nov, 2010 @ 11:48am |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali a répondu le Thu 18 Nov, 2010 @ 11:51am |
| Coolness: 140660 | nope, that would be my cock |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB a répondu le Thu 18 Nov, 2010 @ 12:00pm |
| Coolness: 103310 | your cock is wet |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali a répondu le Thu 18 Nov, 2010 @ 12:56pm |
| Coolness: 140660 | the liquid is penis growth formula... it came with my multiple midi controlers |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Thu 18 Nov, 2010 @ 1:46pm |
 Coolness: 106090 | What if you dont use Ableton live? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali a répondu le Thu 18 Nov, 2010 @ 2:27pm |
| Coolness: 140660 | dunno how possible it is to perform live with other program... I know some people do it but to be honnest I've never really fucked around with anything but live |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD a répondu le Thu 18 Nov, 2010 @ 2:42pm |
 Coolness: 509535 | Originally Posted By RAWALI
A. The live set pays more than a dj set. I personally can't claim that. Originally Posted By RAWALI
B. When a set is "live" people know that the material is original wheras it's hard to tell that the material is orignial or not if it's a dj set. yep. And maybe that's why I dislike serato... cause when I see someone up their on a laptop, I KNOW he's not just playing mp3s, ugh. It's funny actually, you JUST made me realize why even though DJing is pretty simple, people don't just let DJs play out a premixed CD. I suppose there's some sous-entendu right of passage that says that if you're not going to take the time and energy to learn how to mix properly, then you're obviously not 'into it' enough and you probably shouldn't be up there in the first place. When something comes too easily, people don't take it seriously and even though we're talking about raves, the music aspect is like the only thing keeping people dancing, or not, so it's important in that sense. Originally Posted By RAWALI
C. The trance nature of the music induces a state of mind that makes individuals itroverted and less attentive to the visual cues of the performance (which would probably make arm flailing unnecessary too) making the compromise of sound quality vs. live element less appealing to the crowd. E does that yeah... Speed will do both, meaning that they'll be watching the DJ and tranced up, but so much less open to mistakes... acid, shrooms, psychedelics make people blind, they prolly won't know the difference between the VJ or DJ or their left from right hands. alcohol makes people 'cool' so they'll just be judgin'... positively if they like you and negatively if they don't or need another drink... Originally Posted By RAWALI
Now bear in mind... I'm not really trying to accuse anyone of anything... I'm just trying to understand your motivations and understand why psytrance standards are so different than other styles... ok maybe I might also be taking the piss a lil' but don't take it personal I know everyone here works real fucking hard on their tunes and I respect all you guys... even if you just press on the space bar. respect for you too bro.. I think psytrance is just too complicated and fast to be played live in any true sense so instead of faking it, we admit it and just gr00ve :) keep in mindi'm not proud of my inability or unwillingness to perform Live.... it's just that my 'skills' lie in the creation of the music, not the performance of it. I can't be everything to everyone you know so Imma be honest with chyall and jus display the work I did do... hwoever, this ain't psytrance (below) [ soundcloud.com ] there for example, the patterns are so simple that I could trigger them, but it's in the details of break downs and cut outs that I need the precision to be as perfect as possible... otherwise the rasta singing might get angry and smack me upside my white dread head. don't underestimate my fear!! ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» FRANKB a répondu le Thu 18 Nov, 2010 @ 11:30pm |
| Coolness: 103310 | Originally Posted By ALIENZED
I personally can't claim that. what do you mean? live sets do indded paye more than dj sets. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» bob_ a répondu le Fri 19 Nov, 2010 @ 12:50pm |
 Coolness: 102180 | i'm sure you can a find a way to do a live set with every type of electronic music. the fun fact fact is that it makes the music less "static". and yes we can fuck up but like Wally says there's no big deal about that. When i go to a concert i expected the artist to do something else than the studio versions of the tracks and i apply that to my live sets. it can be a long process to prepare the set but when it's done you're gonna have hours of pure fun :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Bad_Chemistry a répondu le Sun 21 Nov, 2010 @ 8:39am |
 Coolness: 73060 | I'd just like to interject / shamelessly plug myself here, but I will be doing a psytrance live set on Dec. 11th in which I will be playing as much as possible live on a friggin keyboard. And I don't use ableton either.
Rawali don't stick all psytrance producers in the same boat, there are live acts which perform a lot live. Check out artists like Simon Posford and S.U.N Project. Artists in all genres press play and walk away. It's the way the scene is. Obviously if you produce shit in a band, then it's a lot simpler to have the band come up on stage and play. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cjbsexx a répondu le Wed 24 Nov, 2010 @ 2:42am |
 Coolness: 48665 | I would love to see anyone play 1/16 notes finger-style bass at 145 BPM for 90 minutes.
I've played bass and classical guitar for a long time and don't know anyone who could do that. To play a lot of today's leads in psytrance on a synth, you would need at least 10+ years of intense piano playing to be able to do anything great. It would be cool to have a Dj mixing psytrance, and have other non-conventional instruments doing leads. like an accordion, or an harpischord. That would be sick. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali a répondu le Wed 24 Nov, 2010 @ 10:18am |
| Coolness: 140660 | apregiator... use it |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» SourUltraFast a répondu le Wed 24 Nov, 2010 @ 3:14pm |
 Coolness: 91365 | Originally Posted By RAWALI
apregiator... use it ha |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Br34th3 a répondu le Wed 24 Nov, 2010 @ 6:58pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Fri 26 Nov, 2010 @ 11:33am |
| Coolness: 106090 | Originally Posted By RAWALI
apregiator... use it Exactly, automate evrything and "act live" ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope a répondu le Fri 26 Nov, 2010 @ 12:09pm |
 Coolness: 201200 | most parties are ill equipped for live sets.. ever try setting up even a small midi controller in a tiny cramped booth? fuck that.
GRANTED I used to see lots of live psy sets in the early 2000's. Back then laptops weren't powerful enough to even be used for dj'ing so you needed hardware. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali a répondu le Fri 26 Nov, 2010 @ 1:51pm |
| Coolness: 140660 | Originally Posted By DRTAKO
most parties are ill equipped for live sets.. ever try setting up even a small midi controller in a tiny cramped booth? fuck that. GRANTED I used to see lots of live psy sets in the early 2000's. Back then laptops weren't powerful enough to even be used for dj'ing so you needed hardware. haha yes! we setup two mpd-24s and two laptops at passeport three weeks ago... with two cdjs, two tech-12s and a third traktor setup... there were so many lights in that tiny booth that i had a tan by the end of the night |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AlienZeD a répondu le Fri 26 Nov, 2010 @ 2:32pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali a répondu le Fri 26 Nov, 2010 @ 3:35pm |
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