Vhs Over Dvd
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Turtle a répondu le Tue 24 Mar, 2009 @ 12:24pm |
 Coolness: 68400 | Originally Posted By MOLOCH
Sorry to say lynn, but, you obviously haven't read the thread. Yes i have i thought i would add that, that's all.... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly a répondu le Tue 24 Mar, 2009 @ 12:29pm |
 Coolness: 76805 | Hey man, there's a simple and classic film-school solution to your woes. Get a projector. And try to find your old b-movies on film... but considering the cost of that, maybe it's best to just turn down the gamma a whole lot.
Either that or try to find scarier, more disturbing films to watch. If not scarier, go for weirder. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» qwertyu a répondu le Tue 24 Mar, 2009 @ 12:31pm |
 Coolness: 72975 | if only for the fact the VHS had no god damn menus and stuff, they were cool |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly a répondu le Tue 24 Mar, 2009 @ 12:43pm |
| Coolness: 76805 | Truthfully VHS is so lossy it's regarded in the film community as a relic. People are still using Beta because it doesn't degrade as much... however this is strictly for production and archiving it seems. But that grainy quality will really only come through in a nice way if it had to do with the stock used to film your horror flick. The problem is really the remastering. They spend a lot of time removing noise and grain and any other imperfections so that you lose that old drive-in aesthetic. the menus are sort of interesting, but only on some titles, and honestly I have yet to ever watch a movie with the running commentary on. Special features can be really excessive sometimes.
Worst thing too is that magnetic tape manufacturing is becoming an obsoleted industry. You can't even find the good old 1/2 inch tape for BR-20 reel-to-reels anymore. David Lynch just went digital. But I find it hard to believe that the entire film industry will, even though it seems inevitable. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DramaPolKa a répondu le Tue 24 Mar, 2009 @ 6:33pm |
 Coolness: 59510 | some rare unbelivebel stuff u can find on vhs from the garbage |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Tue 24 Mar, 2009 @ 7:46pm |
 Coolness: 131690 | Originally Posted By LUKEPERIL
Truthfully VHS is so lossy it's regarded in the film community as a relic. People are still using Beta because it doesn't degrade as much... however this is strictly for production and archiving it seems. But that grainy quality will really only come through in a nice way if it had to do with the stock used to film your horror flick. The problem is really the remastering. They spend a lot of time removing noise and grain and any other imperfections so that you lose that old drive-in aesthetic. the menus are sort of interesting, but only on some titles, and honestly I have yet to ever watch a movie with the running commentary on. Special features can be really excessive sometimes. Worst thing too is that magnetic tape manufacturing is becoming an obsoleted industry. You can't even find the good old 1/2 inch tape for BR-20 reel-to-reels anymore. David Lynch just went digital. But I find it hard to believe that the entire film industry will, even though it seems inevitable. the fact ppl use beta is that the heads scan at 50hz not 60hz plus i think we were aware the resolution is blur. Mise À Jour » cutterhead a écrit sur Tue 24 Mar, 2009 @ 7:48pm i love the tape noise in the image, plus if you watch too much that scene where u can see the panties , then that part becomes wared and that part will be obvious of what happen.
an old tape can tell tales on the sexual behaviours of your friends and their vhs. you not a tru technophiliac man, |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Lone_Star a répondu le Tue 24 Mar, 2009 @ 7:48pm |
 Coolness: 153150 | "Fuck molecules, it's all about the Hz bitches." -cutterhead |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Tue 24 Mar, 2009 @ 7:48pm |
| Coolness: 131690 | Originally Posted By LONE_STAR
"Fuck molecules, it's all about the Hz bitches." -cutterhead bitch dont quote me stuf i never said Mise À Jour » cutterhead a écrit sur Tue 24 Mar, 2009 @ 7:53pm ppl about to bad mouth soke takamatsu toshitsugu should think twice before making fool of themselves. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Wizdumb a répondu le Tue 24 Mar, 2009 @ 8:28pm |
 Coolness: 122405 | it's also a shame that many b-movies and 80's horror will never see the light of day on dvd since either the companies that owned the rights have gone under or the rights themselves costs more than anyone would wanna pay to put it on dvd :(
also another thing i love about vhs was the cover art! you never see anything cool or original on a dvd cover.... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Lone_Star a répondu le Tue 24 Mar, 2009 @ 8:38pm |
| Coolness: 153150 | Originally Posted By CUTTERHEAD
bitch dont quote me stuf i never said But you did, Hz were probably too low - you probably just didn't hear yourself talk. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kuzutetsu a répondu le Tue 24 Mar, 2009 @ 8:47pm |
 Coolness: 133130 | Originally Posted By WIZDUMB
you never see anything cool or original on a dvd cover.... and theyre all "Special Edition" even when there's only one version on DVD LOL! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Tue 24 Mar, 2009 @ 11:45pm |
| Coolness: 131690 | Betamax Betamax was a 12.7 mm (1/2-inch) home video tape recording format engineered by Sony. It was derived from the earlier professional 19.1 mm (3/4-inch) U-matic video cassette format. Like VHS, it had no guard band, and used recording azimuth to reduce cross-talk. Some say the name "Betamax" was derived from a Japanese phrase (beta raw + gaki write). However, the system's trademark punningly incorporated the Greek letter ß. It was marketed under the Betacord name by Sanyo, but was often referred to as just Beta. Compared with VHS, the size of the cassette is smaller and is widely said to have a better picture quality than VHS, though this was in fact an electronic trick that could easily have been applied to VHS (but wasn't). Other claimed advantages included a straighter path for the tape though the machinery, making it start up much faster after inserting the cassette—but this was in fact a false marketing ploy by Sony. Transitioning from play to fast forward or rewind was faster, but only because (unlike VHS) the tape was not unthreaded from the mechanism first. This also led to somewhat greater wear on the tape during fast winding. this is the "public" version for the mass of zombie to shut up, but the reality is that the head sweeped at 50 hz ( since 2 heads are mounted on a wheel that turns ) that if they pass on tape every 50 hz , ( so more than a turn every second , say 1.100% ) if i compare it to the vhs that the head sweep at 60 hz (once per second or 100%), the vhs will have > LESS < scanlines on the image than the betamax but not only that , the way the sound is recorded , vhs and beta are totally different where one has a different head for audio ( writes on the bottom part of the tape ) while betamax write the audio in the spectra of the tape. so while it reads video it traps audio at the same time compare to beta that has a separate system one would think a separate head for audio is better , but due to tape speed ( sp or ep or whatever ) values can drop dramatically and can be as cheasy as betamax;s Mise À Jour » cutterhead a écrit sur Tue 24 Mar, 2009 @ 11:48pm >> But you did, Hz were probably too low - you probably just didn't hear yourself talk.
-- no there was more Mise À Jour » cutterhead a écrit sur Tue 24 Mar, 2009 @ 11:49pm and saying TOO low , is kinda miss leading, i think you read it backwards |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead a répondu le Wed 25 Mar, 2009 @ 12:28am |
 Coolness: 75765 | Originally Posted By WIZDUMB
it's also a shame that many b-movies and 80's horror will never see the light of day on dvd since either the companies that owned the rights have gone under or the rights themselves costs more than anyone would wanna pay to put it on dvd :( also another thing i love about vhs was the cover art! you never see anything cool or original on a dvd cover.... If anything, films that were nearly impossible to track down during the VHS era are easier to find now... look at the work that companies like Barrel entertainment are doing. Last House On Dead End Street, Schramm, NEKROmantik, Darkness - these were things that were clandestinely traded in small circles where you could tell how in-the-loop you were by estimating what generation your copy was. Shit... friends of mine used to collect all the different versions of films in the effort to splice together master cuts of films. I kind of miss the search... hitting up video shops and digging through the racks trying to find something obscure - not knowing if it was going to be a cut print, or something you hadn't seen... Now you can order Cannibal Holocaust from Amazon... As for packaging... the metal box edition of Lucio Fulci's The Beyond (a film I was NEVER able to track down on VHS) is awesome... reproductions of lobby cards + a book.... it may not be quite as awesome as the ultra-limited Exorcist VHS that I've got (which came with full-size lobby cards, an 8" x 12" book and a still from the film)... but it's far more awesome than 99% of the VHS releases from back in the day. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Wed 25 Mar, 2009 @ 12:54am |
| Coolness: 131690 | i have seen last house, wasnt that great.
allthou " driller killer " is a masterpiece, and good thing people could double copy without having a digital signature like all WDM media nowadays. back then that meant jail. i just hope this wont resurface with the digital media . either books games , mp3 or movies. this could become a whole felony economy that could turn on isolated individuals. i agree that some remastered ones ( again driller killer ) were dumped in a ways that it looked pretty damn realistic on the dvd version. but i missed the scanline and image tumbling :) that whole " is it me or your tv is on acid ? " |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead a répondu le Wed 25 Mar, 2009 @ 1:14am |
| Coolness: 75765 | Originally Posted By CUTTERHEAD
i have seen last house, wasnt that great. allthou " driller killer " is a masterpiece yeah.. but Driller Killer is also Abel Ferrara... who has made some pretty awesome films (Bad Lieutenant and The Addiction are the first to spring to mind)... as for Last House... are you you thinking of Last House On The Left (Cunningham/Craven vehicle) or Last House On Dead End Street? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Wed 25 Mar, 2009 @ 1:27am |
| Coolness: 131690 | no yea my bad , i meant last house on the left was like the dirt ppl find in bathrooms.
i thought you meant that one. never seen the last house on dead end street, thou you shure it was made by abel ferra ? see here [ en.wikipedia.org ] man , that one looks crazy thou ,thanks i had for an idea they were the same ... i wouldnt mind trading this one for the other now. even withou seeing it. thanks fishead, im shure going to watch the addiction too. i wasnt a fan back then of christopher walken , but now , that could be just what i was looking for , for weeks ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead a répondu le Wed 25 Mar, 2009 @ 1:45am |
| Coolness: 75765 | Originally Posted By CUTTERHEAD
no yea my bad , i meant last house on the left was like the dirt ppl find in bathrooms. never seen the last house on dead end street, thou you shure it was made by abel ferra ? see here [ en.wikipedia.org ] I meant Driller Killer was a Ferrara film... LHoDES is some guy who disappeared into obscurity after making the film... As for Last House On The Left... I often get the feeling that the original Hills Have Eyes is the only film Wes Craven has ever had anything to do with that's worth watching. Originally Posted By CUTTERHEAD
thanks fishead, im shure going to watch the addiction too. i wasnt a fan back then of christopher walken , but now , that could be just what i was looking for , Walken really isn't in The Addiction for very long... it's more of a cameo (similar to his appearance in True Romance, but not as good)... imho, that's the kind of role that Walken excels at. In small dose I think he can add immensely to a film, but when he's asked to be the lead it often fall flat (ie: Brainstorm, Dead Zone). |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Wed 25 Mar, 2009 @ 2:09am |
| Coolness: 131690 | i dont watch tat many movies , especially the hollywood clone format , multi sequels and lately movies featuring " the voice " , it was bas enough it was in every preview , now its commercials and with what i hear some cheeze movies.
what i loved behind the driller killer one was the ease with the flow at some part. it lets you look aroudn a little. plus like " soylent green " , it end up exposing real life problems, and the feel is there even without super cgi and whatnot. true camera artist. i remember movies for being vehicules of informations ( when not from major prod. houses ) , i understand movies are a distraction, but i think they are should be viewed like books in school. the last house on the left could be use as such, but , its way exagerated for no reason at the end, i just felt i promoted sex in violence in a fake educationnal way. not education, just content, or morals that blow our mind. thou it still might not be the proper way to define it, since again looking at an old one like " rollerball " , it was more and educationnal movies for the superbowl anger freak. something for thoses mass to maybe " reach em " if its isnt too late :) movies tases are hard to define after consideration, i just wanted to add a line :) ill just stop here an maybe watch a couple of thoses movies you named that i missed. Mise À Jour » cutterhead a écrit sur Wed 25 Mar, 2009 @ 2:12am whats your take on this one fishead ? more eye openers back then or now ? Mise À Jour » cutterhead a écrit sur Wed 25 Mar, 2009 @ 2:15am i feel after the ban , for 10 or 15 years movies still had the analog feel of the procuder, then everything got trilogy.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead a répondu le Wed 25 Mar, 2009 @ 2:41am |
| Coolness: 75765 | Originally Posted By CUTTERHEAD
whats your take on this one FISHEAD ? more eye openers back then or now ? Well... the state of the modern horror film is pretty terrible... it all seems to be either remakes or films modeled on the framework of torture-porn (ie: Hostel and such) or reality-horror (handheld shaky-cam films like Cloverfield, Diary of the Dead)... but the light may be at the end of the tunnel. I think now that the tools of production are in the hands of more and more people, there is the possibility to have far more interesting material floating around now. Unfortunately, the means of distribution aren't quite as easy to access... unless one wants to invest money and time into a film, only to turn around and upload it to torrent sites and get absolutely no return. It's going to take some time for things to sort themselves out, but I feel that putting cameras into more hands may lead to some really interesting things. It will also, undoubtedly, lead to a lot more crap that isn't worth watching... but sometimes it's worth wading through a lot of bad ideas in order to get at a really great one. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Wed 25 Mar, 2009 @ 2:54am |
| Coolness: 131690 | ^ hey thats an eye opener
i always forget about home cams that can be turn around into a production masterpiece. christ i even enjoy " the angry computer nerd " for its image quality. id start going out again to movies if i knew they were made by a team that didnt care about being stars , but just cared about dishing out what could then be the best product available out there . i was also looking forward for some kids outthere to bring back a series of old camera trasitions and " barely tuned out " images. maybe then well start to feel the producers / actors emotions again. one thing for shure i agree that all the tools are available right now. |
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