Dnb / Jungle Question
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 3:49am |
 Coolness: 93470 | I have a few random noob-ish questions about the genres...
1) Why is it called jungle? 2) What came first, the genre of music or people dressed up in army camo 3) whats with the army camo wear and how does it fit with the music? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 4:29am |
 Coolness: 685565 | 1: came from Reggae
2: the dressing, as it was a holdover from the reggae crowd 3: jungle was originaly made/listened to by people from poor black neighborhoods; lots of gang-fighting, considered it their own kind of urban warfare. [ en.wikipedia.org ] |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 4:52am |
 Coolness: 129695 | "Jungle" was actually considered to be a racist term in some circles back in the day, the logic was that the word implied it was "jungle" music because black people made it.
From what I understand dnb is the term used to described the genre as a whole And jungle is a subgenre of dnb, usually with a strong reggae or dub influence I could be wrong though ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 5:03am |
| Coolness: 685565 | It's a constant source of argument on Dogs on Acid.. Usually the divide is "Jungle came first, so Drum and Bass is a subgenre of jungle", and "Drum and Bass came from jungle, but has become it's own thing, despite being extremely similar"
Personally, I see jungle as a more raw sound, not as minutely engineered as DnB.. Jungle tends to go for just raw chopped amens and 808 basslines, with a distinct reggae feel to it, even if it doesn't have any reggae vocals. It's not over-processed, and the stuff doesn't sound as "large" as Drum and Bass (in terms of every individual bit's impact) Drum and Bass is all about precision and impact; you have to have THE best bassline, THE best-sounding drums, THE craziest breakdown, in anything you do.. It's got to be over-proccesed to the point where even the amen is barely recognisable (if it's used at all) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 6:15am |
 Coolness: 282430 | ^^ what he said |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ufot a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 7:34am |
 Coolness: 93075 | jungle came first... DnB is the angry and loud child of jungle... after years of doing too much xtc, the dark side crept in and created a drum and bass monster... I like the way that dnb was explained in Modulations... which btw gamos, you should watch if you want to learn about electronic music... or just keep asking fred questions :)
Ufot-headaches? yes, several... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 7:47am |
| Coolness: 129695 | Modulations is probably the best movie on electronic music ever made :)
Although you guys forgot to add that jungle originally started as a progression from early UK BREAKBEAT No breakbeat, no jungle And I still get the impression that today, "jungle" would be classified more as a subgenre of "dnb" than the other way around. Most fans of the genre I meet usually say "dnb" when they refer to their music and seem to use the word "jungle" only when they want to be more specific. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 8:07am |
| Coolness: 282430 | That's mostly because D'n'B doesn't have the same 15 samples you'll hear in Jungle. There's a lot more work put into Drum'n'Bass, so I think it makes Jungle seem more like a sub-genre, when the fact is Jungle was derived from Uk breakbeat/bigbeat/old school. With Jungle,just the quality of the production alone is far inferior to D'n'B and Neurofunk today. There's plenty of cross-genre production though, so I guess that's confusing for some, hearing the same amen used in a D'n'B track, that they heard in a "Jungle" track they heard elsewhere, why wouldn't it be considered the same genre? Well it is the same, ones just more evolved.
And camo + jungle = you do math :p |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 8:14am |
| Coolness: 129695 | Professor Host sets the record straight :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 8:19am |
| Coolness: 282430 | Hah hardly, I can't really wax intellectual about it, but I think that's the best explanation I could give that doesn't make me look like a complete fool. You and Nick are quite schooled on the subject so
I'll leave it at that, hah. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» zeropoint a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 8:58am |
 Coolness: 31790 | A lot people will swear up and down that dnb and jungle are the exact same thing. Me, I'm confused about this these days. I always thought that jungle was more raw and dnb more refined and 'crisp' but a lot of people think the opposite. Meh, who knows.
If in doubt about genres, check out [ techno.org ] It's one persons opinion of course, but I think it's fun and useful. Aaron |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 9:00am |
| Coolness: 685565 | The problem with Ishkur's guide (in relation to DnB/jungle specificaly) is that what it lists as jungle is more of a early DnB sound, whereas what I associate more with jungle is the ragga part (with or without reggae vocals) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ufot a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 9:47am |
| Coolness: 93075 | jungle brothers ftw~
Ufot-boom-BEEEEM-BOOOM-BEEMBEEM |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 9:52am |
| Coolness: 129695 | what about jump up?
is that jungle or dnb? does it even still exist? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 9:58am |
| Coolness: 282430 | jump up is now what's considered wobble.
faster paced tunes with upbeat melodies often resembling nokia phone tones and womp womp bass noises. Pretty simple rly. It's Dnb though, more use of breakbeats rather than amens. That's pretty much how you seperate the styles. Go on beatport and look up Dj Panik, he still utilizes the heavy raggae vibes along with the wobbly and bleepy bass noises. The raggae influence has more of a connection with jump up. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 10:06am |
| Coolness: 685565 | yeah, jump-up is currently the joke of DnB..
headlining the current jump-up/clownstep fad are Twisted Individual, TC and Clipz mostly.. Twisted Individual - Hand Grenade (Clipz Remix) (^^^This is an awesome example of what's refered to as 'Nokia-step', music that sounds like the leads were made on a nokia cellphone) TC - Where's My Money the stuff is really a joke.. sure, it's 'fun' and 'party music', but really, when did being fun mean you had to be a fucking retard? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» greatjob a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 10:08am |
| Coolness: 282430 | Roni Size has also fallen into the Clown-step posse. They're pretty much the epitome of DnB now.
They sell out to wobble because it's fucking easy to make, a cat could paw it out with a midi keyboard press quantize and voila. Shitstep. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 10:12am |
| Coolness: 685565 | yeah, all it takes is changing the rate of your filter's LFO and you've got a wobble tune! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 10:14am |
| Coolness: 129695 | I liked that "king Of The Beats" track and the Jungle Brothers one back in the day, I think those were considered jump up...Still own those records
Was Dj Hype jump up? Used to love that guy :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Sun 16 Nov, 2008 @ 10:16am |
| Coolness: 685565 | yeah, Hype was jump up, and the Jungle Brother remix by Aphrodite is an awesome tune..
Old jump-up is great, the new stuff (clipz, twisted individual, TC, new Roni Size, Generation Dub, Nightwalker, so many more) is just really, really bad.. seriously, it just sounds like cellphone ringtones with a bit more bass. |
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