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Forget Standard Midi Controllers For Live Sets...
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 a répondu le Tue 28 Oct, 2008 @ 11:00am |
 Coolness: 159265 | tfl;dr |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Tue 28 Oct, 2008 @ 11:02am |
 Coolness: 131740 | STFUTGFO Mise À Jour » cutterhead a écrit sur Tue 28 Oct, 2008 @ 11:03am you contributing jack shit so . prevail |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» JasonBeastly a répondu le Tue 28 Oct, 2008 @ 11:40am |
 Coolness: 76855 | Hey Neko, it's not about that, about who's right and who's wrong, this is actually a fascinating and educational thread (OMG and it is too). I don't think Fred meant any harm, you're just afraid he's not going to like you dumping your encyclopedic knowledge on us. In fact it looks like the people discussing this are enthralled, take nothing personally.
We had these premade sensors and strips that were probably initially component parts of a power glove or otherwise in the labs for IMCA. The students didn't think I was nuts, everyone was playing with them. We had a big box at the front of the class, everyone grabbed a midi box, a cv to MIDI box, and whatever sensors they wanted to use. Then we tried to make sense of all the data flying into Max and eventually selected ranges of incoming values that would trigger specific variables, ie we calibrated them. The finger sensors consisted of two thin strips filled with conductive ink that were placed flat against each other. Because the ink wasn't in a tube, but rather in small pockets, pressure change in each of the individual joints would indicate greater tension in the clenching of the hand. This pumped out a positive integer, then we would decide what these integers would be converted into. Nobody in the class really knew how to make the things yet, and I tried a few times to do my own contact mic or electrode work and broke expensive equipment being a noob at welding. From the programming end, which is all I really understood, I had a range of values from 0 to 32678 or whatever come in, and I would do some quick math to figure out what to do to make this a logarithmic scale from 0 to 127 (you guessed it, simple velocity), then stick a bunch of function boxes on the virtual circuit to do the conversion. But Max is so user-friendly you find out in no time there's an even easier way to do it, etc. I won't make any pretensions that I ever had a precise electrode-controlled beatbox techno machine, I didn't. I made a sequencer and a synthesizer, but without any funky external controls. I just wanted two good homemade VSTs before moving on to Squarepusher-level performace-based programming. Because you have to consider your own dexterity with such machines, and figure out how to use your own personal frame of reference for ease of use to get it to work. A lot more tinkering than the average Uni student wants to go through if a program that responds to red objects will already get you the A+. I love these things but I still prefer just running a patch cable from a guitar or bass and calibrating the pitch, volume, and frequency content, as well as any sort of timbral changes (way harder) to a synth and wavetable, then going nuts on the thing. Squarepusher style. But not as well played. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 a répondu le Tue 28 Oct, 2008 @ 11:46am |
| Coolness: 159265 | Hey Cutterhead, don't read like you write.
Did I forbid anyone to reply to anyone's post ? I just said your posts are too long to read, that's it. The number of your replies you posted that didn't contribute shit to any thread greatly outweights the one I posted here so lighten the fuck up. I'm entitled to my opinion like you are. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Tue 28 Oct, 2008 @ 12:11pm |
 Coolness: 685735 | Hey, turns out that my book IS here.
page 131: 
Inside the Glove, bend sensors detect individual finger motion. In place of fancy fibre-optics to measure finger bend, resistive ink is silkscreened into strips of plastic mylar.
key word: INTO, as in, inside something. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Tue 28 Oct, 2008 @ 1:27pm |
| Coolness: 131740 | screwhead thanks for looking it up, now we all know whats inside, i dont advise you fetch the strip
in the glove, this little baby can be run without that much physical damage unto some pretty nice mods, the compartments on top are usually more than enought, allthou if your like me , i m shure you like to "waste" one for the cause... if you still have the serial adaptor you could probably rig it to usb. its a shame that surrounding noise affect it so much, not the fingers, but movements, especially if you end up using lots of stuff in the 1mhz to 8mhz. the wii stuff , especially the proximity sensor with the wii mote using a infrared array, seem to be the niciest hack around now, i tought about making a version of rectable with it, but is doesnt distinguish color, but having shapes that are big enough or lense one could magnify a table and pickup the nonsymetric shapes |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Tue 28 Oct, 2008 @ 1:45pm |
| Coolness: 685735 | I don't have any serial adapters for it, the first glove I had hacked I directly wired it to an LPT port and made a bypass that hooked into the keyboard plug to get the power..
I think the coolest thing to do would be to combine the sensors for the fingers of the powerglove, with the infra-red and accelerometor of the Wiimote.. My idea was to have infra-red LEDs on each fingertip, shining at a slightly different amount each (or maybe strobing at different rates) so that software could tell each finger appart.. So that way, you could have it know where each finger is, and if you're flexing it or not, so you could use it to type on virtual keyboards, or really do intricate things, like virtual sign-language or something.. That would be the awesomest! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Tue 28 Oct, 2008 @ 2:32pm |
| Coolness: 131740 | uh , why didnt you use the 5v that was in the lpt port ? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Tue 28 Oct, 2008 @ 2:43pm |
| Coolness: 685735 | ahh, my bad, not the LPT, the parallel port. It's been ages since I've done any fucking around with anything heh |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Gamos a répondu le Tue 28 Oct, 2008 @ 2:47pm |
 Coolness: 93640 | i like turtles |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Tue 28 Oct, 2008 @ 2:50pm |
| Coolness: 131740 | eh, screwhead the parallel port is the lpt port
ie : LPT Printer: device busy I am having quite weird problem with the LPT port on my FreeBSD 5.4 box. Mainboard is Mise À Jour » cutterhead a écrit sur Tue 28 Oct, 2008 @ 2:55pm [ www.hardwarebook.info ]
notice there is a 5v , no its not on the parallel page because it use a combo line. but its there, you needed more juice ? should use the powersupply instead, keyboard input is 200miliamps more than that u risk jolt the keyboard bios |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Tue 28 Oct, 2008 @ 3:01pm |
| Coolness: 685735 | well, I was only following the instructions in the book, but it says that it needs a +5 volt connection, and that the parallel port doesn't have what you need, so you have to use either the keyboard, game-port or an external.. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Tue 28 Oct, 2008 @ 3:10pm |
| Coolness: 131740 | do you remember at least using a diode to prevent reverse current to go back into the keyboard ?
cause yea its an idea, but really you should go for .5 amps next time, like a mural dc converter or the computer's powersupply, these components are really odd to replace when you burn em, and they will send static reverse currents to the mainS buS (like all of them) if you dont use diode. have i told you the time i first powered my kvm switch using 2 different computer as powersource, i didnt forget the diode, but it was inverted, and when i powered one computer the other one was half feed from the keyboard... not a good thing at all... but it was funny, id do it again any givin day having thoses computers again,... just like that i have parallel port pic programmer plans that with a transistor generate +5V DC @ 100-200 mA , but when you want to burn chip or use longer lines , you should get an external adaptor. the best is the nintendo 12V dc 1.3 amp Mise À Jour » cutterhead a écrit sur Tue 28 Oct, 2008 @ 3:22pm to get back to your project i think it would be very nice, rig-ing the existing button could be done without damaging both relics.
and you could have it wireless so easyly... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK a répondu le Tue 28 Oct, 2008 @ 7:24pm |
 Coolness: 84020 | i dunno...
i suspect this is just some guys with a buncha wires taped to his face trying to pull a fast one... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cutterhead a répondu le Tue 28 Oct, 2008 @ 10:43pm |
| Coolness: 131740 | it crossed our minds,
but its not like a fat man who dresses in red , one time a year down 247385976*y=8+4756y856y756 cheminey and still manage to deliver intact goods at the end of the run. its feasible with cheap stuff, and you can get performance / deployable grade with not much of a lot of stuff if you eat chips in the morning. (ic) rigg-ing EGM electrode (witch you can get easyly if you know some paramedic) to some midi keybord keys and your done you can make a youtube like this guy |
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