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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AudioPhil a répondu le Tue 22 Jul, 2008 @ 3:51pm
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Hi !

I have a question for Djs ( i'm more into psytrance but anyone can answer )

Some Dj mix with high, mid and bass never over the middle ( by that i mean the 0% ) Some other mix over the middle, I'm not a specialist but i prefer the second option, like putting more bass to do effect and stuff. So the question is : Is it ok to pass the middle of each frequency ?

Tanks in advance

Phil
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead a répondu le Tue 22 Jul, 2008 @ 4:43pm
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Depends on how you want things to sound, and how much you know about frequencies and distortion.

Think of mixing like 3 glasses of water; you have a glass on the left and right with water in them, and you have a glass in the middle that's empty. When you play the track on the left, you're emptying the left glass into the middle glass (mixer).. Now when you put in the next track, the glass on the right, you have to put it into the glass in the middle, while transfering water from the middle back to the left, and never having the middle glass spill. If the middle glass spills, your sound is distorting, which is actually physically BAD for the sound system and can damage the speakers and amplifiers.

Using the EQs and the volume fader is kind of like just taking a little water at a time from each glass to mix into the middle.. Take out some bass from the mixer and put it back in the left glass, but to balance things out you take ONLY some bass from the right glass and put it in the middle.

Things you should never do is, say, have 2 tracks playing with full EQ's up and full volume up, because that's the equivalent of trying to fit 2x more water into the middle glass than it can handle; you get a mess, it sounds like shit and distorts, you can't make out any frequencies propperly because they're both battling it out for which one takes dominance.

Now, using the water glass analogy on EQing a track that's playing; If you've already got a full glass of water, you shouldn't add any more water to it (ie: add more bass or mids or highs than the track was actually produced with) or it will spill over and sound like ass.

The only real exception to this, IMO, is tracks that are badly produced. It happens sometimes; sure the tune sounds amazing, but it doesn't have as much force in the bass as the track you played before.. Then, you would add some bass.. Not just add some extra to everything you play, but only add some extra to make the ones that are lacking in some frequency level out with the other tracks.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Br34th3 a répondu le Tue 22 Jul, 2008 @ 5:05pm
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Most "dj's" stay midpoint because they just don't know any better or were shown that way.... but it really depends on how the rig is eq'd, how the tracks are mastered and ultimately how you want it to sound beyond that... in short ..of course its ok to go over the mid point.. let your ears be your guide ;)
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AudioPhil a répondu le Tue 22 Jul, 2008 @ 6:45pm
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Cool ! tanks for the answers.

P.S. Your album is great Kalan :D
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk a répondu le Tue 22 Jul, 2008 @ 7:50pm
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it depends, yes, if the track is wrongly mastered (or not at all) then you can boost the eq's a bit, but remember, big sound system are compressed, (usually OVER compressed), so if the track as a right balance, and you boost the bass for example, you will send alot of bass signal through the compressor, which will lower the mid/high.

of course, let your ears be your guide, but your set wont sound better if you boost the frequencies. in fact it will sound worse.

in fact, ive never seen any "professional djs" ( i mean big djs not from Canada, who are world renown)
go over the middle . so there must be a reason for, like producing, when you boost frequencies, you distort them, maybe by a small amount, but still.

anyways, i personally rarely go over the middle unless the track needs it.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rawali a répondu le Wed 23 Jul, 2008 @ 12:54am
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i do go over the middle some times when the fader isnt on full... example, i have a track A playing and mix in track B, let's say track B is at about 80% and I need to do a bass switch NOW... if i dont have the time to bring the fader up AND switch eqs (lack of hands), I might have the bass a bit over the middle point...

make any sense?
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk a répondu le Wed 23 Jul, 2008 @ 7:09am
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yeah does, and sometime when the fader isnt on full and the eq either, but there is, lets say, a one shot sample vocal that you want peoople to hear, then i raise the mid eq a bit over the line
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply a répondu le Wed 23 Jul, 2008 @ 9:31am
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For the tracks that are poorly mastered (like a certain NiN ep) i find having a compressor helps, it kinda colours everything since i have it on the master insert but at least i can up the gain a significant amount across the whole spectrum and not worry about having to keep the louder track lower. I only spin in my living room though, the guys above speak from actual venue experience.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» clown a répondu le Wed 23 Jul, 2008 @ 12:49pm
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Fred said it best. it really depends on how loud you are playing in the first place. if your gain's are maxed out or in the red and you are sending an already overcharged singal to the amp then its not recommended to go over. but if you feel the track lacks a specific frequency, commonly seen in the mid ranges, then its okay to go over.

But, like Kalan said, there are no rules.

I would not recommend to go over mid-level just for "effects" because having those high's even higher is sometimes brutal to the ears...

:)
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply a répondu le Wed 23 Jul, 2008 @ 1:10pm
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Originally Posted By CLOWN

brutal to the ears...

:)


I wish mixers came with an engraved warning to leave the highs alone, just cuz you're deaf doesn't mean we are (yet)
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» sabinonstop a répondu le Wed 23 Jul, 2008 @ 1:11pm
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Some sounds are very damaging to da ears so watch out not 2 give
people akufens..or bring the u.s army after you.
but it totaly depends on how u set your sound,d&b dj's seem to
exagerate and usually plan there sound almost 2 the last red,while
in acid techno we play wiz da the mids to create acid effects BUT
only breifly!

tape on ze mixer is always a good idea cause u know we like 2 turn it up!
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Deadfunk a répondu le Wed 23 Jul, 2008 @ 1:30pm
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haha, what i suggest is to record yourself mixint the same 2-3 tracks, over and over again, with different eqing switches/mixes everytime, and see what you like best.

that will give you an idea, and listen to it a few time to really hear the differences
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AudioPhil a répondu le Wed 23 Jul, 2008 @ 1:42pm
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Wow ! All your answers are really helpfull, i'll try your trick Deadfunk :)

If anybody as something else to say feel free, we are always open to new ideas.

Peace
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Choda_Bean a répondu le Thu 24 Jul, 2008 @ 2:10am
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high mid and low eqs are standard on any dj mixer out there for a reason, and thats not so that they can stay at the "0" level.

how high and low each one can be pushed all depends on specific tracks, mediums of material, and of course, the soundsystem you're playing on.

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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» No_Comply a répondu le Thu 24 Jul, 2008 @ 10:28am
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go Carlos go!
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MURDOCK_ROCK a répondu le Thu 24 Jul, 2008 @ 11:33am
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yeah.. i'd say it really depends on the tunes your mixing and what your trying to achieve.
clarity and volume should be your main concern.
if you crank the bass on both of your tunes the chances are it will sound muddy and distorted.
so i find it best to compensate... by either turning one side down enough to compensate the other (so you don't over fill the glasses in screwheads theory) if you want one bassline to be in charge, or turning both down a little bit below the middle if you want to rock both of them.
eqing can go alot deeper than that as well taking factors like melodies mastering and phasing into consideration and there isn't really a book of rules that are sure to work out for you in every situation.
what might sound good with a set of tunes might not sound so good with another set.
the best bet is to let your ears be the judge and learn from your mistakes and know your material.
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Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Turtle a répondu le Thu 24 Jul, 2008 @ 12:24pm
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Originally Posted By DJ_DIALECT

high mid and low eqs are standard on any dj mixer out there for a reason, and thats not so that they can stay at the "0" level.

how high and low each one can be pushed all depends on specific tracks, mediums of material, and of course, the soundsystem you're playing on.




I agree i do that as well...
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