New Metro/bus Strike On The Way
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 12:45pm |
 Coolness: 158225 | You get sweaty after working for an hour, Neijya? You consider that being a lot, 10 hours a week? Man, you need to shape up. Cardio's good for you, you know.
I did not imply that whoever cannot walk for 60 minutes is a whiny bitch. I implied that those who live close to where they need to be and prefer bitching over walking, ARE whiny bitches. I'm as mad about the strike as anyone else. I'm searching for a new apartment and it's difficult doing so with the strike. Still, to every problem, a solution. You may not like it but it IS a solution. If I was your employer and you got in late due to "not wanting to sweat when walking", I'd fire your ass. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 12:47pm |
 Coolness: 299315 | try walking in a suit at 33 degrees for an hour. In fact, try for 5 minutes. You'll sweat |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DCRn a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 1:02pm |
| Coolness: 158225 | And it is 33 degrees right now, right? Mise À Jour » DCRn a écrit sur Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 1:02pm Bring your suit with you. Change.
Man, stop making excuses for your laziness. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 1:02pm |
| Coolness: 299315 | I don't know. I don't go outside. I don't have a job and I don't go to school |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 1:05pm |
 Coolness: 92255 | Aint nothing wrong with being lazy. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 1:20pm |
 Coolness: 106105 | Comparing a stcum worker to someone who flips burgers is naive and misleading. The stcum worker is a person with a cariere who will contribute to the economie in a positive way by buying a house, by making children, ect. The burger flipper with his minimum wages is ether (hopefuly) a student, or someone living somewhere around the poverty line. What do we want more of? More workers with decent carriers and salaries, or more poor peoples. Cus 50000 a year in 2007 does not push you into the top bracket, salary wise.
Point # 2, Leverage. If all the mcdonald workers whent on strike tomorow, sociaty would probably benefit, whereas the bus drivers go on stike one single day and its chaos. On the one hand we saying they are to important to go on strike, and on the other, we say that they should be payed less. In sociaty, we are not payed acording to the amount of sweat we produce while working, but acording to the importance or the work we do, or the value that we create. I think this strike demonstrates the importance of the work they do, and that importance is likely to grow in the comming years. Now, we gotta stop trying to drag every one with better working conditions down too our level, it wont make us any ritcher in the long run. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» fishead a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 1:21pm |
 Coolness: 75660 | Somebody should print up stickers that say "Don't strike, jackass" and plaster the metros with them. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Wizdumb a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 5:29pm |
 Coolness: 122300 | if you want to argue about wage equality/stagnation then raise minimum wage to 10$/hr. just because you have a union to hide behind doesn't mean it makes you more eligible for inflationary raises. fuck if ALL the disenfranchised un-unionized workers went on strike, then how would these stm workers get they're lunches or coffee?
double standards suck and hiding behind a union is even suckier. i'm down with posting stickers all over the busses and metro's, at least they'll get the message |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 6:15pm |
 Coolness: 201215 | 50,000$ a year in Montreal is more than enough to live well, especially if you live alone or have a two-income household.
The young people who make 8-10$ an hour and can't get to work are the ones who will suffer. I bet it's all the older workers who want to strike, they want to get an even bigger pension to cash in when they retire in a few years, plummeting us into a big deficit in the process. Mise À Jour » nothingnopenope a écrit sur Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 6:20pm In sociaty, we are not payed acording to the amount of sweat we produce while working, but acording to the importance or the work we do, or the value that we create.
The value created by the transportation system is artificial because it is a monopoly. If we lived in a free-market society another company could replace the service, and the unions would have no leverage. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rave_dolphin a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 6:31pm |
 Coolness: 86880 | AND ... it`s not the drivers that are on strike today, but the damn janitors ! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 7:12pm |
| Coolness: 299315 | i say the second the strike is over we shall throw all our garbage on the floor in metros from now on. never again i will use a garbage |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Trey a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 7:14pm |
 Coolness: 102755 | wow 15 strikes in 40 years... 2nd one in 4...
and if i heard the STM news conference correctly.. the entire time they were on strike amounts to, in 40 decades, to 1 year. Seem like Quebec is just Unions and goverment's " fonctionnaires ". |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 7:19pm |
| Coolness: 106105 | Originally Posted By SCOTTYP
50,000$ a year in Montreal is more than enough to live well, especially if you live alone or have a two-income household. Well i guess it all depends how you define "to live well". For a twenty something student renting an appartment with 3 of his buddies, 50000$ a year might seem like a lot. But after handing over about half of that to the governements, your finantial weight is considerably diminished. Minus what it costs to raise a family, minus your house payments, minus whatever debt you may have accumulated while you where studying, chances are, you wont have that much left over to live like a king. The stcum has a certain value because of its infrastructures but it doesnt create value, it offers a service. If the public transit where privatised, its main purpuse whould then be to create value ($) by offering a service. That is, the upper shelf would profit but the employees would suffer. Chances are the services would also suffer, in the long run. You can bet your right arm the price of the tickets would'nt go down. Publicly owned infrastructures, in my opinion, should never be privitised. If we, as a generation let that go, we will have lost what generations or our forefathers faught for and payed for. If you think that its the unions bleading our economie, well you've got it all wrong, but who can blame you, thats what the privatly owned media would all have you think. Keep it up guy's, you're doing the multinational corporations job by putting down the unions. And if you still want to put some distance between you and those blasted unions, you can always go check out the working conditions in China or Pakistan. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rave_dolphin a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 7:26pm |
| Coolness: 86880 | Unions are not all-evil ... they just have way too much power here in Qc, and they just exagerate a lot, encouraging lazy ass grabers to do less and less at work, for ever-increasing salaries, and thus decreasing our overall national productivness. Not to mention that I, as a person, hate the lack of professionalism, which seems to be a moto for union workers. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Trey a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 7:29pm |
| Coolness: 102755 | ... which are better than the hopeless rural economy/opportunity of the respecting countries.
You forget that Public Transport is an essential service and going on strike should be prohibited by the government. We will wait 'till the Minister of Transport du Quebec has to say. I hope you understand that Unions are a business too. Mise À Jour » Trey a écrit sur Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 7:31pm I'll consult with Economist students about Unions.
I'm Unionized worker but i don't always agree with them. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» El_Presidente a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 7:33pm |
| Coolness: 299315 | moral of the story: Don't start a family. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 7:42pm |
| Coolness: 106105 | Dude, how many union workers do you realy know, cus the "lazy union workor" thing is a myth vehiculated by the media to chip away at workers rights. 95% of the peoples i work with are unionised and very few are unprofessional or lazy. No more than in the private sector, thats for sure. My mom was a nurse, unionised, and worked very hard all her life. About half of my friends are school teachers, unionised, they all earn there paycheck and then some.
How many union workers make more than a 100000$ a year? When you say that the unions have way too much power here in Qc, what power are you refering to? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rave_dolphin a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 8:06pm |
| Coolness: 86880 | I worked in a shop (Olymel) for 4 years as summer job, can't find better example of lazyass union workers around ! I'll skip the details since I don't feel like writting a book tonight.
I'm also referring to the fact that the whole STM is now on strike because 1 group of worker is unhappy with the offer made by the employer, when it satisfies the need in the best way they can. And to the fact that a couple time in the past I've seen schools shut because cafetaria employees wanted a raise or many factories of a same banner all shut down because 1 factory was negotiating with the employer. I've seen population taken has hostage more than once by Unions workers, and then see them get away with it with, at best, a small fee that would be paid by the union that seems to have such reserves of money that they don`t care ... Teachers and health specialists are probably ones of the only exceptions I see to this rule. Along with airplanes and trains drivers (those are union workers making over 100k per year by the way) Again, I'm not all againt unions, but CSN for example, is one union that would need to fall ! When Union workers make trouble, you are sure to always find a CSN flag around ! STM union is also way too strong, to be able to take the population hostage every couple years and still go freely with it. This, is what I meant |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» databoy a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 8:32pm |
| Coolness: 106105 | Well, power is a tricky thing to have. Unions where created to counterbalance the power and control companies had over the lives of its employe's. And in most cases thats what they still do. Some unions, folowing the example of the corporations they where fighting, merged to gain more power. Unfortunatly, by doing so, they started taking on certain traits of those corporations such as: blatant disrespect for public interest. Maybe the government could/should pass a law limiting the sise of unions and fix that probleme right there. And maybe should pass a law limiting the sise of corporations while we are at it, might fix a few problems there too. Small is beautyfull.
Neway I would much rather live in a society that alows unions than on that is hostil to them. I'm still quite certain that we benifit from the whole thing even if sometime they cause us some inconveniances. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» rave_dolphin a répondu le Tue 22 May, 2007 @ 8:39pm |
| Coolness: 86880 | My opinion is also that unions that would be enforced to keep to a reasonable size by the governement would be the perfect situation !
As for companies, the bigger the company, usually, the better the employees are treated, salary and social advantages wise. Not a lot of individual respect, but then it leaves place for all kind of people to chose what they prefer ! Personal recognition by the employer, or social advantages. |
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