Al-Qaeda Warns Canada
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» moondancer a répondu le Tue 31 Oct, 2006 @ 1:41pm |
 Coolness: 92345 | I didn't say shit about where we should or should not be but if you want to knwo my opinion it is that we shoudln't be in Afghanistan. All I criticised was the fact that you lied on behalf of Canada by saying that Canada agrees with something that is actually a large debate(among citisens and parliament) while critisising someone in the middle east for knowing more about your own country than you do. If you don't realise that there is a huge debate over Afghanistan in Canada than I cannot take naything you say seriously, it's not a choice. Lets not talk about who's responsible for 9/11, lets not talk about 9/11 at all since it didn't happen in our fucking country. Whether or not Canada should be in Afghanistan is an opinion, not a fact. Don't pretend you knwo what's happening there and don't pretend that it's helping. Don't pick numbers out of your ass and don't go around pretending to know who killed who. Did we kill 3000 people or did they kill 3000 people? I'm not gonna say we shouldn't be there because I don't know and chances are both sides are at fault as a resault of both sides being at fault. How can you so blindly state who deserves what? How can you so blindly state that the Taliban in Afghanistan did that? I thought we went there to protect the country from the influx of Taliban as a result of Iraq.. where does this 9/11 come from? If you want revenge go join the American military, cause as far as this Canadian is conserned rvenge is not a good enough reason to kill 90% civilians and 10% taliban. We're not killing the Taliban since it's already been proven that they are expanding. Why are tehy expanding? Cause people are pissed that when they are minding their own business all of a sudden their kids head goes flying onto their dinner plate. There is no logic to this war. We're better off doing absolutely nothing. WE are the ones who arent minding our own business and you are saying THEY killed 3000 people who had ntohign to do with them? If 5 little fuck faces decide to bomb a building that doensnt mean we can go and destroy the country they came from. If we do, we are no better than them. Mise À Jour » moondancer a écrit sur Tue 31 Oct, 2006 @ 2:28pm A cautionary tale comes from the Vietnam War. There, the war was lost when viewers in the living room realised what was happening on the battlefield. No amount of spin could change it.
The turning point in the media war came when the veteran CBS News presenter, Walter Cronkite, went to Vietnam after the Tet offensive in 1968. He came back and declared that there was "stalemate". This is how he ended his TV broadcast: "To say that we are closer to victory today is to believe, in the face of the evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past. To suggest we are on the edge of defeat is to yield to unreasonable pessimism. To say that we are mired in stalemate seems the only realistic, yet unsatisfactory, conclusion. "On the off-chance that military and political analysts are right, in the next few months we must test the enemy's intentions, in case this is indeed his last big gasp before negotiations. "But it is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out then will be to negotiate, not as victors but as an honourable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they could. "This is Walter Cronkite. Good night." |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Sat 4 Nov, 2006 @ 4:29am |
 Coolness: 145280 | neoform, i'm just not sure that we can win this so called "war on terror" with guns and bombs if we can't win this war that way does it really make sense to keep sending our people to die, saying that they are dying for an unwinable yetjust cause will be cold comfort to the dead soliders loved ones.
if you really believe in this war then why don't you go sign up and ship out, it's much easier to send other people's children to die for our 'honerable cause'. i think afganistan and iraq are key examples of the fact that wanting to win and having a plan to win are very different things, we seem to have the first down really well, however the second seems to be lacking... just so you know the taliban is not responsible for sept 11th it was al quaida, there is a difference between them... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Sat 4 Nov, 2006 @ 8:37am |
 Coolness: 339745 | We're sending our troops off to die? You make them sound like slaves that were forced into it. Canadian troops are soliders purely by choice, not to mention we've had relatively low casualties and of those that did die, I don't believe they would say they regret having been there.
Stop trying to make this war be one with the Iraq war, which should never have happened. Saying we shouldn't be in Afghanistan is like saying "We can't stop that mass murdered because it will simply be too dangerous to try to catch him; he might hurt some of the police officers in the process, therefore it's better just to let him go free." The only reason we're losing in Afghinistan is because the fucktwit incharge of the US decided to attack another country instead and divert it's military power to it instead. Wars are very unpleasant, but when one country's regime openly attacks another in a relatively unprovoked attack on it's covilian population, that is simply, an act of war. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» m4xom4x a répondu le Sat 4 Nov, 2006 @ 11:05am |
 Coolness: 44375 | According to the scholars ( Chossudovsky, Chomsky), this war, like many wars is not about making this earth a better place to live or the need for global security. It's about the control of weapon, oil and drug's market massive sales. These are the three most cherish assets of the super power elite to create and sustain their one world government. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Sat 4 Nov, 2006 @ 2:12pm |
| Coolness: 339745 | By the way Ian, not everyone can be in the military. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» thehemeraproject a répondu le Fri 10 Nov, 2006 @ 10:39am |
 Coolness: 42830 | The people are 50/50 in Canada over the Afghanistan war. This is not a massive protest like in the case of the Iraq war. Is war bad ? Well I guess, yes. Should we be fighting the Talibans ? Maybe, maybe not. But the debate now is about how things could go wrong if we pulled out. In my opinion, our army is STUCKED there, for political reasons. If we withdraw, the odds of a Taliban uprising will grow dramaticaly.
"Wars are very unpleasant, but when one country's regime openly attacks another in a relatively unprovoked attack on it's covilian population, that is simply, an act of war." The problem is not war, the problem is post-war. Sure, we got into Afghanistan and kicked their asses. But what now ? The international community FAILED to give money for reconstruction, the numbers are much smaller compared to Bosnia's reconstruction after the Kosovo situation. Plus, they're trying to create a western style government in a country that does not have a culture to support this kind of regime. This is not working. And in order to make it work, we might have to stay in Afghanisthan 10 more or years, if not more. Sure, the Talibans were unfair and quite cruel. But is it our role in the world to take care of this ? Our own history is full of injustice and non sense, we grew out of it. We might be forcing the hand of natural evolution here, or not. This is a complex issue that goes over the simple fact that "war is bad" or "we invaded Afghanistan for oil". It's just very hard for the USA and it's allies to look credible in the role of the Savior. After all, they've been provoking coup d'etat over coup d'etat in Central/South America, Africa, Asia, Middle East... A lot of people over there do not trust our intentions, partly because of our past actions and also because we keep doing the same mistakes. If we had left these countries alone in the 60s/70s, we wouldnt have this situation on our hands. But no, we need oil/natural ressources to keep our economy running, since we're consuming ressources in such excessive ways. That's the problem : the overconsumption of the world's natural ressources in order to boost our economies. If we were more responsible, we wouldn't need that much ressources, so we wouldn't need to fool third world countries in order to get them cheap. That's the main problem that is responsible for Cold War ugliness and massive pollution. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Fri 10 Nov, 2006 @ 10:55am |
| Coolness: 339745 | Saying we shouldn't be in Afghanistan is like saying "we shouldn't have troops in Darfur, because it's too messy and it's not our fight." |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn a répondu le Fri 10 Nov, 2006 @ 7:13pm |
| Coolness: 178725 | Oujé: i agree. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» m4xom4x a répondu le Fri 10 Nov, 2006 @ 10:52pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Fri 10 Nov, 2006 @ 11:41pm |
| Coolness: 145280 | i really don't think we're making the world more safe by being in these places, coupled with the fact that we're not really accomplishing much in afganistan, NATO has been in afaganistan for more than five years what is honestly better...and i mean for real, not just the stuff that ends up on TV screens but real things, concrete things on the ground...
the west needs to get real with itself, we're not making the world a better place at all, these people need development not democracy, jobs and viable economic prospects not abstract political rights and cosmetic social improvements... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Sat 11 Nov, 2006 @ 1:49am |
| Coolness: 339745 | so what prompted their attacks in the first place? was it their attempts at making life better for themselves that suddenly urged them to attack another country? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Sat 11 Nov, 2006 @ 11:36pm |
| Coolness: 145280 | i don't think that has anything to do with what we are discussing...
when we in the west try to figure out why the terrorists do what they do we find ourselves imprisoned but the language we have built up for ourselves over the last few decades (notice, "senseless acts of violence"), when we search for motives we say things like "they are crazy" or "they are jealous of us (our freedom, our wealth)" or maybe worst of all "they are evil (the implication being we are good)" Not one of the often used answers really satisfies me...and they should not be accepted by anyone who has a sense of history or for that matter is able to think for themselves in even the smallest way. We may have to admit that these people have legitimate political grievences against the west and unless we some how find ways to address them in a just and realisic way they aren't going to stop doing what they are doing... Bin laden said we in the west will not taste peace and security again until the people of the islamic world do, we need to perhaps take him seriously on that point, we need to realise that there are limitations to what can be accomplished with military power...We are fighting a war of ideas, and we are losing. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope a répondu le Wed 15 Nov, 2006 @ 12:31am |
 Coolness: 201305 | How about the west not getting involved in any other people's business (Afghanistan, Darfur, Iraq)... And at the same time, not let them get involved in our business (super strict immigration rules and no "refugee" status).. Would that make people happy? Clearly we can't get along.
Political rights are the first step to democracy. When we gave women the right to vote it was a pivotal step towards equality. Same thing when we stopped segregation and when we stopped killing people because of their sexual preference. As far as I am concerned, we shouldn't help anyone who is still following stone-age religious doctrine. It's ironic that the left is pro-gay rights and pro women's rights and then they cry and whine about us "oppressing" governments that treat women like lamp posts and kill and injure people for living in a way that offends a "man in the sky". Fucking hypocrites. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Wed 15 Nov, 2006 @ 12:44am |
| Coolness: 339745 | Worked great in Rwanda. Yup. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nothingnopenope a répondu le Wed 15 Nov, 2006 @ 12:49am |
| Coolness: 201305 | Damned if you do, damned if you don't... The west is expected to save the world, then they will get bashed for it by zealots. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Wed 15 Nov, 2006 @ 8:39am |
| Coolness: 339745 | So ignor the zealots and do what's right..? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn a répondu le Wed 15 Nov, 2006 @ 4:35pm |
| Coolness: 178725 | Sucks, whatever it is. I prefer to eat. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Thu 16 Nov, 2006 @ 12:49am |
| Coolness: 145280 | it's still not right for us to use military power to impose our lifestyles and moral oultlooks on other peoples...we can't be democratic revolutionaries exporting our way of life at gunpoint. That's cultural imperialism, what makes our values so great that we have the right to force everyone else to live by them or die, it's really arrogant to think that way we justify some of the worst aspects of our nature by doing that.
When will this all end, when we fly the american flag over Mecca? When we enslave every muslim, when we burn every copy of the koran. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cvxn a répondu le Thu 16 Nov, 2006 @ 3:44pm |
| Coolness: 178725 | exact, c'est comme dans le temps, ils voulaient convertir le monde au christianisme en faisant des croisades et tout. Pis dans la bible c'est écrit de pas tuer.
Pis aujourd'hui, ils veulent imposer la démocratie. démocratie = pouvoir au peuple. imposer = kkun qui décide ce que tu vas faire. Ça fitte pas tk. J'aime la logique humaine. ;) (du sarcasme, pour ceux qui l'ont pas spotté) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» thehemeraproject a répondu le Thu 16 Nov, 2006 @ 8:11pm |
| Coolness: 42830 | The Palestinians put the Hamas into power through democracy.
And now our governement have cut the funds to the Palestine governement, which has increased the chances of civil war (or social disturbance). This is a good example of why they see our governements as hypocrites. Shit, most people here consider our politicians as two faced liars, why would the Afghans or Iraqis think otherwise ? |
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