"israel Belongs To The Jews"
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» BA_Baracus a répondu le Fri 13 May, 2005 @ 4:42pm |
 Coolness: 121010 | yom haatzmaut... israel's day of independance.. word.
day of celebration since the intifada they ve moved it to downtown to counter all the anti-israel protests happenin on a weekly basis (friday right across the street from philips square,etc) i dont see anyone complaining so much about all the palestian and muslim and concordia gaza U bullshit i do agree that it was loud and wack in the middle of downtown mid day but still, isnt freedom of speech one of the basic human rights?or is that just for disgruntled arabs? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Fri 13 May, 2005 @ 5:09pm |
 Coolness: 145175 | i don t think anybody who has posted in this thread (including myself) is even remotely prepared to have this discussian/debate, there is just to much going on to sum it up in one little jack off two line post, although i think many people who posted something in here have good intentions and may infact be quite educated, put it this way, if we all went off and studied the issues and sittuations in that part of the world for the next ten years and came back and talked about it, i still think we may find we are no closer to answer to our problem here
the most important thing to be gotten out of this whole mess is the following conclusion peace DOES NOT lie in victory but only in acceptance of our brothers and sisters as equals there can never be security or prosperity in the world so long as war and strife exist amongst peoples injustice does not and can never promote or create the greater good that we all seek therefore the only solution that can be permissible for the isreal/palestine issue is some agreement between the two parties that allows them both to live in harmony with each other (as it once was in that region) without killing each other and whithout lossing face or honor; because; if not, if no peace can be reached in which, through some mutual agreement between the parties at odds we can be sure of one thing, both countries will fight the other side untill they are victorious or they are destroyed...it simply is the nature of their relationship to each other no peace in capitalism... the only war worth fighting is the class war... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul a répondu le Fri 13 May, 2005 @ 7:10pm |
 Coolness: 56175 | Originally posted by REGIMENTAL911...
your fucking wrong cinderella ,straight up wrong. we let all races and religions in this country freely,but we ask you to leave your fuckin problems at the border. It's kinda weak that you just say that I am straight up wrong. Easy to say, alot harder to prove or actually it should be easy since you appear to be so sure that I am fucking wrong. The argument you laid forth after that one sentence, which proclaims that I am dead wrong. Who is we, in your argument? Are you talking about canada? It sounds like you are saying that we allow "immigrants" and such in but the immigrants should not involve us in any of the problems they encountered in their country. The attitude is like "you're in canada now-- shut the fuck up." IT is not wise for anyone to just forget their problems. Besides, freedom of speech is a human right --nationalism and nationalistic pride is not. It is amazing how neccessary communication is and yet how people try to thwart if from happening. REgimental.. you're not wrong--you're just not right. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Souldah a répondu le Fri 13 May, 2005 @ 7:24pm |
 Coolness: 48225 | considering the fact that thier are alot of muslim countries out there why cant they live with one jewish country? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cinderella_soul a répondu le Fri 13 May, 2005 @ 7:38pm |
| Coolness: 56175 | geez we should all get a piece of the pie-- while life is still a "pie"--if you know what I mean. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Fri 13 May, 2005 @ 7:55pm |
| Coolness: 145175 | Originally posted by BETA WON...
considering the fact that thier are alot of muslim countries out there why cant they live with one jewish country? the funny part is your not so wrong here dude ... in a lot of ways the arab nations (including the so called pallestinians) are much more ready for peace then isreal is isreal is the one with the problem with the arabs, and the muslims, and well anyone else that fuks with them the pallestinians would make peace any day, if isreal would just get real and offer them something other then you guys die and we take your land, what people in the west seem to forget is that it is far better to die on your feet than live on your knees how can we ask anyone to be anyone to be anyone elses slave, it seems so wrong so evil, and i don t say that word lightly just my thoughts |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Souldah a répondu le Fri 13 May, 2005 @ 8:25pm |
| Coolness: 48225 | i know things seem obscure on stuff up there. Tis why i was trying too simplify it . Im moving to isreal after the summer n ill be living there for about 5 years mabye more so ill finally know the down low. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Fri 13 May, 2005 @ 8:33pm |
| Coolness: 145175 | maybe you ll learn more then you want to in that case...
just remember shalom = salam peace my friend |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DonLouis a répondu le Fri 13 May, 2005 @ 8:53pm |
 Coolness: 84060 | buyaka ! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kidd a répondu le Sat 14 May, 2005 @ 3:44pm |
 Coolness: 41840 | This is directed towards you Neoform,
First off, Canada is a pluralistic country; that is partly what makes it a beautiful place to live, the fact that various ethnicity's can live in relative peace and harmony. Secondly, we have the right to free speech and to support our culture which is equated by ethnicity as well as religion. Basically to sum it all up, if people of various different ethnicity's do not have the right to support the culture which they belong in, while living in Canada, then you believe in assimilation; That those of other cultures when living in Canada should support canadian culture, values, and ethics alone; therfore, taking away from what makes Canada the beautiful country that it is, as said before, various ethnicity's living in relative peace together. As well, If you except world issues not to effect us directly considering global communication; in addition people fight for what they believe in, this is part of what it is to be human; if you expect jews in canada, or any ethnicity to just sit back and stop giving a shit about their culture because they live in Canada, your just plain igonorant |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kidd a répondu le Sat 14 May, 2005 @ 3:49pm |
| Coolness: 41840 | As well, here in Canada we support various holidays; St jean de la Baptist, St patricks day, etc...
those jews on the street with their flags, were just supporting a holiday, do jews not have the right to support their holidays? |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Sat 14 May, 2005 @ 5:32pm |
 Coolness: 339640 | supporting thier holiday with "Israel Belongs To The Jews" ? that's some what of celebrating.
and yes, free speech is nice, which is why i'm allowed to feel pissed off when i see that shit. People who say/believe shit like "Israel Belongs To The Jews" are basically supporting ethnic cleansing. They israel to belong solely to the jews and no one else, which is TOTAL bullshit. that's not tolerance, that's hate mongering. fuck them and fuck anyone who supports that shit. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» cactain_steef a répondu le Sat 14 May, 2005 @ 6:06pm |
 Coolness: 154650 | israel isnt restricted solely to jews though. there is tension between certain muslim countries and israel... however thats not the poiiiiint.
bklablablabsdklasdhkajshaoyaoiej;aljifap;;' ..YAY. wtv. israel has sexy ladies, especially in the militia. nice boobs, m16s... *drouuldrouul*, and telaviv has sunday tams too, but by the sea. HAha-how1! all the hippies come out n sell clothes n make tea, and hacky sack and this n that n whatnot... chess... they dance..sooper! |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Sat 14 May, 2005 @ 6:45pm |
| Coolness: 145175 | Originally posted by DJNEOFORM...
fuck them and fuck anyone who supports that shit. given that you seem to support tollerance don t you see how paradoxical you sound like i m racist against all racist, i hate them all or everyone has the right to free speech except people who don t believe in the freedom of expression they should shut the fuck up or die dude you are a smart guy, you got to stop oversimplifying things so much, just because its easy to generalise or simplify the world into clear cut seemlingly "simple" distinction, just because you say the world is simple does not mean that it is, sometimes thev world is a complicated place... this is even more apparent when you try to deal with subjects like politcs and morality, which even under the best circumstances are difficult to understand and do "justice" to dude you got to be careful with what you say, not that you should ever be affraid to speak your mind, but if you don t watch out someone might peg you as an anti semite, trust me, something like that is very difficult to shake look i don t really know what i m trying to say but i think we should tread crafully through these waters, because if you think the anglo vs franco debate is serious scary, think about this at least they worship the same god (more or less), things like this can be very devisive without us intending it to be... just my thoughts |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Sat 14 May, 2005 @ 6:47pm |
| Coolness: 339640 | i am intollerant of those who are intollerant, i am comepletly aware of my conundrum. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Sat 14 May, 2005 @ 6:49pm |
| Coolness: 145175 | war cannot be defeated by war, only by peace...
salam ok, |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Sat 14 May, 2005 @ 6:52pm |
| Coolness: 339640 | if there is one thing i am not afraid of it's what other people will label me as. i will always speak my mind about something even if it gets me in hot water. if someone wants to say i'm anti-semetic, fine, that really wouldn't bother me simply because it would not be true.
free speech is a sharp blade that can use to destroy hate, but it can also be used to promote it. if you allow those to promote hate and let them hide behind free speech you are allowing hate to happen. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Sat 14 May, 2005 @ 7:06pm |
| Coolness: 145175 | Originally posted by DJNEOFORM...
if there is one thing i am not afraid of it's what other people will label me as. i will always speak my mind about something even if it gets me in hot water. if someone wants to say i'm anti-semetic, fine, that really wouldn't bother me simply because it would not be true. . your right it may not matter if they think or say that your an anti semite, it s what they DO that worries me, remember there are all kinds of fanatics on "both sides", don t get caught in the center, in situations like that it doesn t matter whats true and false or right and wrong, situations like that people can get hurt easily, people tend to get sucked in, who have nothing or very little to do with it (in that part of the world the Druze nomads and the christians) maybe the best thing to do for pallestine/isreal is to let them fight it out until they can decide to resolve it on their own, i think there may already be enough international pressure on both parties... |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» neoform a répondu le Sat 14 May, 2005 @ 7:14pm |
| Coolness: 339640 | hey you're right, i should. and frankly i don't care what they do, as long is it's not in my country. the conflict is thousands of miles away, and it should stay there. last thing i want to see is the conflict coming here and cars blowing up downtown..
it already happend at concordia where minor voilence broke out and that really pisses me off. In Ireland people get killed all the time for some argument that started more than 400 years ago. these things have a habbit or NEVER getting resolved, which is fine, with me as long as the voilence doesn't spread to other parts of the world. why? because the first thing i'd do if it ever started here would be to pack up and leave. I for one like montreal a whole lot and don't want to leave just because a bunch of people want to start fights here. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini a répondu le Sat 14 May, 2005 @ 7:26pm |
| Coolness: 145175 | Originally posted by DJNEOFORM...
hey you're right, i should. and frankly i don't care what they do, as long is it's not in my country. the conflict is thousands of miles away, and it should stay there. last thing i want to see is the conflict coming here and cars blowing up downtown.. . the problem is dude the conflict isn t so far away it never is, i think sept 11 shows us that, common either one of us could quite have easily been in new york that day its less than seven hours by car away, It s never very far away, the reason for this is because most of the conflict goes on, not in the world in front of us as it appears but in peoples minds, in your mind, its a stuggle of ideals as much as it is struggle of tanks and guns and bombs, history is the war of symbols things we do here affect the situation in the middle east, and vice versa i think your right the question then becomes can we actually leave behind our old patterns of activity and truly seek resolution to some of these conflicts i am reminded of what ghandi said about western civilization when asked "ya that would be nice" if we can do all this then we can move forward to answer the more difficult question that poses it self "what is the value of progress in our society" |
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