The Future Sound Of Music
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Mon Aug 1, 2011 @ 3:17pm |
 Coolness: 166515 | Music has come a long way in the last 100 years. Technology has been changing its face for a while now, and presently music seems to have met it's boundaries, every aspect of sound explored, to the point where an amalgamation is the current solution (dubstyle, industrial-metal, rock-techno-remixes, drumstep, psycore, etc.). We all know dubstep is the big thing right now. Every style has a hundred sub-genres ...
But what does the future hold for music? What would you want to hear in your tunes? What would sound futuristic to you? What's the next step? Music has alot to play with - digital/analogue/organic, tempo, time-signatures, distortion, rhythms, vocals/samples/instrumentals, mood, ambiance, beats/ambient, etc... I think pushing music further might have to include going back to really old styles, beyond retro, into classical. Using the interesting and nearly forgotten techniques, and abusing technology to explore new realms that couldn't be touched by those old geniuses. Hardcore Techno with a new time-sig and orchestral structures, topped with a yet-to-be-discovered synth-sound. Even though production value has increased dramatically, and very interesting sounds are being created, the basics of a song are becoming stagnant ('specially in the pop world) and people mimic what can make 'em famous instead of forging new sounds. Then again, it would seem as though everything has been tried ... Once the present music comes to a head, what's next? (ps. I'm not talking at all about erasing or disliking existing genres, just wondering what you people think about the future) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Blisss replied on Mon Aug 1, 2011 @ 4:08pm |
 Coolness: 129690 | There are only two types of music GOOD and BAD. Roughly 99% of all music produced is crap and that crosses all styles and genres. Stick to the 1%, dosen't matter if its new or old, because utimately weather something is new or old dosen't actually matter in terms of how good the music is.
Whats new today is the trash of tommorrow, while good music lives on forever. Buy a classic jazz record next time instead of the latest electro dubstep sensation and I'll garantee you'll still be listening to that jazz album 20 years from now. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Aug 1, 2011 @ 4:15pm |
 Coolness: 685560 | well lots of things in terms of musical style seem to go in cycles.. currently I find that popular music is in a very self-indulgent period similar to the 80s; mostly style, very little substance or actual musicality.. I'm hoping the 201Xs brings back some 90s introspection, aggression and nihilism.
Going into classical for inspiration would be awesome, but I honestly don't think it's going to happen.. Now, anyone can download Ableton, FLStudion, whatever, and bang out a half dozen tunes, start up a net-label and start selling their stuff with zero experience, and you can really hear it in the quality of most production. Sure, a lot of the stuff that's selling through official channels is technically well produced, but musically we're living in the era of 2-note basslines and layering filters and effects over top. To go back to classical for inspiration, people would have to study music theory, understand chords, progressions, etc., and that's just too much work for someone with a New Era hoodie and thick black-rim glasses that wants to be a superstar NOW to get as much pussy as he can. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Mon Aug 1, 2011 @ 5:09pm |
| Coolness: 166515 | Maybe then people should be trying to create new sounds (actual sounds, not styles of music) ?
I know all frequencies have been explored, but with all the filters, effects, synths, and technology, I suppose there is some sort of sound out there waiting to be discovered ... In some sci-fi books I've read recently, the only music they mention is either dub or frenetic jazz ... in sci-fi movies they tend to throw in electronic stuff that sounds like the 80s. (not very innovative since they're supposed to be *whatever number of* years in the future xD ) What the fuck could possibly sound futuristic now? Just another variation on Techno? |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Mon Aug 1, 2011 @ 5:22pm |
 Coolness: 159090 | I have to agree I don't feel like music seems to be going anywhere aside from backwards with mashups of 80s songs and such.
Originally Posted By ZOMBIENATHAN
What the fuck could possibly sound futuristic now? Just another variation on Techno? I don't think anything can SOUND futuristic right now. I think music can LOOK futuristic though. The means that we use to create music is probably going to benefit from the propagation of bigger and better touchscreens, gestures ( à la Minority Report ). Even as we speak, there seems to be an emergence of people exploring new ways to create or mix music on the fly. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Mon Aug 1, 2011 @ 5:35pm |
| Coolness: 166515 | Originally Posted By V.2-1
I don't think anything can SOUND futuristic right now. I think music can LOOK futuristic though. The means that we use to create music is probably going to benefit from the propagation of bigger and better touchscreens, gestures ( à la Minority Report ). Even as we speak, there seems to be an emergence of people exploring new ways to create or mix music on the fly. Interesting! Playing our currently futuristic sounding music on sci-fi looking instruments could be our only way of moving forward ... I'm still waiting for cybernetics and bio-tech to come up with a cable I can jack into my brain to translate the music in my head ;) Oddly, nothing will ever beat the sound of a guitar and some real drums ... sound created in our real environment has a special human attack to it. But, with limitations - unfortunately. We have to do more to filter that stuff through electronics, get the best of both worlds! AND, listening what's going on outside right now, we have to find a way of harnessing the sound of thunder!! (not à la ac/dc xD ) (Now I'll work on a track, and pretend I'm in the year 2056 :p ) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» v.2-1 replied on Mon Aug 1, 2011 @ 5:44pm |
| Coolness: 159090 | Although it's nothing groundbreaking, I think Beardyman might be up to something. Sampling his own beatbox to create tracks. Not futuristic but using something as analog as sounds produced by one's mouth through a series of samplers and Kaos pads on the fly does seem a bit ahead of its time ( at least, for me it is ). |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Mon Aug 1, 2011 @ 5:52pm |
| Coolness: 166515 | Originally Posted By V.2-1
Although it's nothing groundbreaking, I think Beardyman might be up to something. Sampling his own beatbox to create tracks. Not futuristic but using something as analog as sounds produced by one's mouth through a series of samplers and Kaos pads on the fly does seem a bit ahead of its time ( at least, for me it is ). There are some people in the breakcore scene trying that stuff out, gets some cool results! Audio/visual mash-up from break-head types is also on the brink ... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» DynV replied on Mon Aug 1, 2011 @ 6:00pm |
 Coolness: 108775 | there surely are true artists at this moment thinking of music they'd like to produce, heck I bet some of it is already made but those people just aren't interested in promoting it. It think the OP aims at the industry rather than musicality itself. there is classical, jazz and whatever time lasting genres that are longing to contribute to their niche.
I am worried about the industry though because after the push of the 90s for electronica music, I don't see anything of substance trying to push through. I do stop at Musique Plus when browsing the cable channels and sometimes hear nice things, but I hear nothing that seek to peer out through the masses. Whether we like it or not, the industry does play a large role into musicality, it is a great tool to get introduced to music, which influences musical journeys. I think what would sound futuristic, is something groundbreaking that some artistic communities would grasp as their own and not let go, something they thought was great despite its success on put ongoing effort in it. I think it would be presumptuous for a single person to predict what a community would yearn. to get back to 90s electronica, what made that seem so special, was it truly the music that was there since the 80s? was it something about the attendance, whether in it for the decoration, popular influence (films like hacker) the drugs or simply peer pressure? a parenthesis, I once heard something that touched me : a guy told that he didn't like Genesis music at all but heard it was a show not to miss, you know why would someone out out in todays money 30-60$ for something that he didn't like at the core ; why would someone buy a toffeed apple if s/he didn't like apple? could it (90s electronica) also have partly been due to the effort of the music industry? heck maybe they got kickbacks from synthesizers manufacturers. 
I see what you did here ZombieNathan! -_- you hate hater, trying to divert attention from spewing nonsensical bad vibes all over internet. >:( |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Mutante replied on Mon Aug 1, 2011 @ 6:29pm |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Screwhead replied on Mon Aug 1, 2011 @ 6:38pm |
| Coolness: 685560 | A lot of it I think also has to do with the availability and the improvements over musical instruments/technology.. Before they mastered distortion, at most you'd get a bit of overdrive on guitar, so music was all "clean".. then they got overdrive and rock and blues really took off because of the tonal change.. Pickups also, the evolution from single-coil to humbuckers.. then dual gain distortion created new ways to shape guitar and synth sounds..
Synths also evolved in a similar fashion.. at first the analog synths had no patches or presets, you had to re-tune them in between every song if you were using them in performances, and they were simple monophonic synths with not too much in the way of filters.. then they became polyphonic, more filters were added, then people started running them through distortion pedals aimed at guitars.. they started off simple and "clean", and as they evolved, more sonic possibilities opened up. What we need to really see any kind of evolution, I'd imagine, is a new instrument, or a new way of doing things. Sure we can make new effects or new synths, but we've already been doing that for so long that we'll just incorporate it into the current formula, because "that's what a synth does" and "that's a synth's role" It reminds me of someone I'd seen in a documentary ages ago, this guy would do live electronic music at raves, but the extra 'touch' that he had is that he was using cell-phone scanners and CBs/ham radios, and while he was making music he'd scan around and throw in bits of conversations that were actually happening at the time.. really taking something non-musical and random and using it to make music.. We need some more innovation like that in terms of what makes sound.. find something that people wouldn't think of as a musical instrument, and use it as one.. hell ages ago with a friend we took some duct tape, a golf club and some elastics and suspended the golf club.. then we used an e-bow I had on it and figured out ways of changing the pitch by stretching out the elastics.. it wasn't really something easy to record, and wasn't something we could re-create live, but it's that kind of experimentation that really needs to start happening again.. we need to go beyond the hot new VST of the moment and learn to discover sound again.. But like I said, that requires work, that requires knowledge and understanding, and it requires stepping outside of the comfort zone and risking people not being into the new sound, so most people aren't going to do that, because we're currently in a very self-indulgent musical phase, where it's all about the youtube hits and the beatport downloads, and not about putting out something new and interesting, just rehashing what's accepted as popular in your own way. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Max_x2 replied on Mon Aug 1, 2011 @ 9:27pm |
 Coolness: 33870 | Originally Posted By SCREWHEAD
A lot of it I think also has to do with the availability and the improvements over musical instruments/technology.. Before they mastered distortion, at most you'd get a bit of overdrive on guitar, so music was all "clean".. then they got overdrive and rock and blues really took off because of the tonal change.. Pickups also, the evolution from single-coil to humbuckers.. then dual gain distortion created new ways to shape guitar and synth sounds.. Synths also evolved in a similar fashion.. at first the analog synths had no patches or presets, you had to re-tune them in between every song if you were using them in performances, and they were simple monophonic synths with not too much in the way of filters.. then they became polyphonic, more filters were added, then people started running them through distortion pedals aimed at guitars.. they started off simple and "clean", and as they evolved, more sonic possibilities opened up. What we need to really see any kind of evolution, I'd imagine, is a new instrument, or a new way of doing things. Sure we can make new effects or new synths, but we've already been doing that for so long that we'll just incorporate it into the current formula, because "that's what a synth does" and "that's a synth's role" It reminds me of someone I'd seen in a documentary ages ago, this guy would do live electronic music at raves, but the extra 'touch' that he had is that he was using cell-phone scanners and CBs/ham radios, and while he was making music he'd scan around and throw in bits of conversations that were actually happening at the time.. really taking something non-musical and random and using it to make music.. We need some more innovation like that in terms of what makes sound.. find something that people wouldn't think of as a musical instrument, and use it as one.. hell ages ago with a friend we took some duct tape, a golf club and some elastics and suspended the golf club.. then we used an e-bow I had on it and figured out ways of changing the pitch by stretching out the elastics.. it wasn't really something easy to record, and wasn't something we could re-create live, but it's that kind of experimentation that really needs to start happening again.. we need to go beyond the hot new VST of the moment and learn to discover sound again.. But like I said, that requires work, that requires knowledge and understanding, and it requires stepping outside of the comfort zone and risking people not being into the new sound, so most people aren't going to do that, because we're currently in a very self-indulgent musical phase, where it's all about the youtube hits and the beatport downloads, and not about putting out something new and interesting, just rehashing what's accepted as popular in your own way. Brilliant. I would tend to believe we're missing true artists. You know, guys like Hendrix, who was literally in a world of his own while playing on his guitar. True virtuoses. But hey, more 'artists" = also more bullshit artists. And those bullshit artists may have more visibility because they go with the flow, instead of trying to change everything and go on from scratch. People are not used to too much changes, weither it's in music, economy, politics, etc. What someone earlier relied to "comfort zone". Nobody knows what the future holds. But best believe i'm damn looking forward to it =D |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» MolocH replied on Mon Aug 1, 2011 @ 9:39pm |
 Coolness: 226245 | Originally Posted By MAX_X2
Brilliant. Meet Fred! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» basdini replied on Tue Aug 2, 2011 @ 12:17am |
 Coolness: 145170 | i like people who record ambiant sounds around them and make tunes out of those(the sound of a door closing, or the coffee machine or or the air con clicking 'on' or something weird.). We should do something fun, everybody records a sound (say ten people on the board) and make them all available to download, and everybody makes a track using ONLY those sounds...lol i would be so much fun! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Max_x2 replied on Tue Aug 2, 2011 @ 12:24am |
| Coolness: 33870 | Originally Posted By BASDINI
i like people who record ambiant sounds around them and make tunes out of those(the sound of a door closing, or the coffee machine or or the air con clicking 'on' or something weird.). We should do something fun, everybody records a sound (say ten people on the board) and make them all available to download, and everybody makes a track using ONLY those sounds...lol i would be so much fun! Kinda reminds me of the 2 djs from Montreal who mixed sounds they recorded at La Ronde, probably about 10 years ago. Maybe someone here will remember better than I do ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» nodeletesucks replied on Tue Aug 2, 2011 @ 12:36am |
 Coolness: 55990 | Originally Posted By BASDINI
i like people who record ambiant sounds around them and make tunes out of those(the sound of a door closing, or the coffee machine or or the air con clicking 'on' or something weird.). We should do something fun, everybody records a sound (say ten people on the board) and make them all available to download, and everybody makes a track using ONLY those sounds...lol i would be so much fun! That's called electroacoustic and I make this 9 months a year. NO! |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» ONE.LAB.RAT replied on Tue Aug 2, 2011 @ 8:22am |
 Coolness: 76110 | Originally Posted By BLISSS
Buy a classic jazz record next time instead of the latest electro dubstep sensation and I'll garantee you'll still be listening to that jazz album 20 years from now. QFT |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» pencapchew replied on Tue Aug 2, 2011 @ 11:37am |
 Coolness: 35560 | Originally Posted By MAX_X2
Brilliant. I would tend to believe we're missing true artists. You know, guys like Hendrix, who was literally in a world of his own while playing on his guitar. True virtuoses. But hey, more 'artists" = also more bullshit artists. And those bullshit artists may have more visibility because they go with the flow, instead of trying to change everything and go on from scratch. Jimi Hendrix was an amazing guitar player and songwriter but he didnt exactly change music and go from scratch, He played mostly standard blues progressions. |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Nathan replied on Tue Aug 2, 2011 @ 3:33pm |
| Coolness: 166515 | Originally Posted By PENCAPCHEW
Jimi Hendrix was an amazing guitar player and songwriter but he didnt exactly change music and go from scratch, He played mostly standard blues progressions. Well, even though, he did do some pretty spaced-out drug-driven solos, and set guitars on fire - destroying instruments may have been getting popular at the time (see The Who) but it was still pretty original. Blues progressions or not, his style of playing was vastly different, and he marked himself as special during that period. I agree Fred, maybe the only path to new music is new instruments. Though it's true that you need some pretty major music skills to create something new, as we mentioned perhaps influenced by Classical, some of the most innovative styles came into being because of a lack of musical education (think Punk Rock). Geez, this is hard to get a handle on! All I know is that any real artist spends their life-time trying to make the perfect song. They probably all die never having met their lofty goal ridden with spectacular criteria ... New instrument + new song structure + advanced electronics/technology = the Future ? |
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| Good [+2]Toggle ReplyLink» ONE.LAB.RAT replied on Tue Aug 2, 2011 @ 7:25pm |
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