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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Tue Nov 23, 2010 @ 10:16am |
 Coolness: 66670 | well for what dj's play, i know what most of them play, but at continuum there were alot of dj's i didn't recognize, i usually stay with the ones i like but i wanted to see what they could play and it wasn't my style. at black magik at about 12 it went fullon and stayed until 8 a.m, at least thats when i left if i remember correctly it was pretty hard psy all the way through, maybe at the end it slowed down but i wasnt there for that. black magik was ideal for me |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Tue Nov 23, 2010 @ 1:27pm |
 Coolness: 166545 | ahh ok you speak of the one from last year.. hm. i can't tell, i came in at like 5 am after a night of chillout at the donjon, and everyone was falling asleep and we needed action... so it was perfect for me too lol.
you know what i find awesome in parties though... when there are 2 rooms. that way you're almost sure to find music that you enjoy... well it happened often that the music is mehhh in both rooms, but... there are twice less chances :D i miss parties with real chillrooms and i can't wait until electronic brain. there is supposed to be a chillroom there. ideal big psy party for me = three rooms. full-on, prog, and chillout. dream on lol. soma was like that once. it was awesome. :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» pencapchew replied on Tue Nov 23, 2010 @ 4:47pm |
 Coolness: 35560 | Yoshin;It might be an age thing
its a different scene now |
| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Tue Nov 23, 2010 @ 8:24pm |
| Coolness: 66670 | yeah black magik was fuckin tops last year, i think a 3 room psy event would be pretty interesting, in the chillout psy have lots of sofas haha, doubt anyone can pull that off, but if ur saying soma did i'm pretty interested, i've never been to soma,
i agree on the two room thing, new years i spent the whole time in room 2 @ noahs rave that was a fuckin awesome night it was ALOT of fun! there was a chillroom at black magik though i remember, the smoke alarm went off hahaha i've never laughed so hard people were freaking out, corey jumping trying to turn it off with a broom stick by poking the button, good times lol n yeah at black magik i liked it alotttt lots of black lights = me not blind ;) --- black lights with deco even |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Tue Nov 23, 2010 @ 8:49pm |
| Coolness: 166545 | hmm when i mean a real chillroom, i mean a space with actual chillout music, and chillout djs... and por favor not a smoke room with no aeration, where all there is are people smoking cigarettes on couches, with no music. that is... i just don't step into those places, it just smells horrible and being a non-smoker, i don't see the point of going.
what i mean is a space with either couches or cushions or matresses, chillout music, a small dancing space, soft lights... possible massage stand... incense... just a space where you feel good, soft, relaxed. that just depends on venues. i think that the 3810 st-patrick could have a chillroom in that first room, when we get into the party... but that seems like too much to ask for promoters these days. :P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» perception replied on Tue Nov 23, 2010 @ 8:50pm |
 Coolness: 65885 | Many good points were raised, I'd post a long reply although I think it would be a bit redundant of the major points discussed. However, if I may, Kire stop putting yourself down, your opinion whether it be based on little experience or a lot, it's your opinion and your entitled to it, just find the way to express yourself :) Also, people go to rave for different things and organizers throw different types of events, Alienzed throws top notch synthetic parties, I do find the music is often generic but not always. While others parties will have a bit of both, you'll have the generic full on with a few djs playing more funky stuff. I do find that the parties have changed a lot over the years, and it's fine, the old shit always comes back (fashion, architect, automobiles etc) so I'm not worried. As for machines not being spiritual...ghost in the shell ;) One day, life will beg a different philosophy (paradigm shifts have already occurred throughout history). It is also true, I find, that dancing to slower stuff is harder and more evolved. You have the time to make complex movements, which in of itself is not that complicated, what makes it hard is to keep the inner rhythm (research shows that trance correlates with liquids in your body swaying in synchronization, I don't remember how exactly they measured the liquid movement in the organs), I find trancing is easier during simple drum beat and often that's all I hear in full on because it does all sound the same, not enough dynamics between the sounds, comes out like a stifled expression of what was once upon a time art rather than an emotional intelligent concoction of sounds. I love it groovy and dark, I always want both at a party. Dark is relaxing, easy to dance, the groovy stuff requires more of an effort. Alright, well that's that for my NOT long post :p Update » perception wrote on Tue Nov 23, 2010 @ 9:16pm lastly, I find that how the event will play out (the feel to the event, atmosphere) is often determined by the organizer and not necessarily the line up, might just be me... |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Tue Nov 23, 2010 @ 9:25pm |
| Coolness: 166545 | i think it's both.
but of course it's the organizer that chooses the djs that are going to play, and in what order so...... it all makes sense :P then also it depends on who will be there... which also often depends on the organizer, and how the party is presented. |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Tue Nov 23, 2010 @ 9:29pm |
| Coolness: 66670 | haha fair enough, well that was a chill room to me ;) but for a nonsmoker = death absolutely. maybe one day they'll have a chill room that you're talking about, couldnt imagine seeing a massage table in the middle o the floor though,
well its not so much putting myself down as i just can't word the things i want to say as well as them haha so i kinda feel like my opinion is half ass in a sense i'm better off at explaining this sort of stuff in person.. but yeah, honestly i do find the slower psy harder to dance to and get into because it seems like more of a spiritual dance if anything and it isn't really my style, i've always been about rhythm and hard beats though so i guess i could never understand that trancey stuff to me fullon sounds different from every dj who's mixed it tbh it just takes a subpar set to make fullon repettitive, and in all honesty the trio that delivers the best fullon is psydraulix virtual light and hexa 5, psyrenity throws down some pretty damn good shit too especially what i saw at jesse's last house party. i mean now compare lets say psydraulix's set with shango's set, from what i've seen on their profiles psydraulix plays 4 different genres of psy and shango plays one, and yet when psydrauix plays a set the energy level is through the roof, when shango played the vibe wasn't there, you could see it just by watching everyone maybe he wanted a softer fullon who knows, but the people i was around took note of it, alot of people were confused in the direction it all took. shango and djs, promoter etc, no hate just a personal observation/opinion oh yeah.. also you guys may feel that what the local dj's play is very generic and overplayed, but it doesn't take away from the fact that they've become psy favourites with alot of ravers and party goers alike 'shrugs' it's gotta mean something |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Tue Nov 23, 2010 @ 9:35pm |
| Coolness: 166545 | massage tables, i've seen them in rooms separated from the chillroom, created by backdrops. that's why i mention, optionnal massage table. it always depends on your space.
and. the djs being liked by so many people, it does mean something of course. what it means exactly i am not so sure... and pencapchew has it right, the scene is changing.... and i'm not sure i like it, at all. i long for those parties where people were more connected, where the origins of psy-trance could still be felt, where music was bearing a positive message of awakening and encourageing people to think for themselves, to turn on, tune in, drop out.... now it just feels so... ego-driven... and of course the people going to the parties are all younger, so they don't really know what was there before, they don't know so much what i speak of. probably alienzed you can feel what i speak of? like the masculine (or yang if you prefer) side of things really has taken over in the parties... i feel like it's incomplete, unbalanced, disconnected... and i wonder what to do, because when i make suggestions people disregard it as... spiritual crap. yet i know it would make some difference in the vibe, align things in a way that would give back the psychedelic and the trance into psy-trance. i still get the right feel in the outdoor gatherings though, because the younger crowd don't really go there, and when they go they are still outnumbered by people who actually know what is going on. but i want to dance all the time, not just in the summer :) ps -- i like this conversation. reaaally interesting points... and i think we do need to have it. :) Update » AYkiN0XiA wrote on Tue Nov 23, 2010 @ 9:56pm i compare it to parties in toronto and/or peterborough for instance. often you will hear of a party that starts by a yoga session, and/or a collective meal. the party is still rocking just as much in the same hours... yet there is a consciousness, there is a feel of unity and love that is strenghtened by sharing a meal, by taking care of ourselves together with yoga and healthy food...
of course toronto has it's weaknesses as well, parties always end so early because of the laws and stuff. but... why not get inspired by the things that could make a community stronger? :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Tue Nov 23, 2010 @ 10:26pm |
| Coolness: 66670 | well it depends, being from toronto myself a good friend of mine is a rave promoter, they throw some illegal ones yeah but some are legit depending where you go, but my scene down there was dnb and dark raves, destiny production throws a few good ones too like wemf, man i miss that shit.. that was a huge outdoor party, the vibe was great and i agree on that part everyone was plurring cept for a few angry jungle kids but whateves haha.
the renegade stages were fucking awesome too... i wonder if they have that at eclipse, have you been to eclipse ? i want to check it out, i'm hoping it's like wemf.. i heard theres psytrance thrown down all weekend which sounds awesome, ANYWAY back on topic! :P yeah this convo is really interesting ^^ agreed, anyway! i'm not quite sure if i know what you mean by disconnected and masculine for the psy raves happening ? for me i find everyone has the bond for the love of psy, dancing, and coming together as a community to enjoy electronic music and friends. i'm not quite sure how the psy scene was before so i can't comment, but i'm a little curious to know what went down. massage table would be pretty dope, but dont think it would be practical for most raves :P i've never seen one yet but as you've said optional yeah. well its not that i see it as spiritual crap maybe others do, but it comes off as spiritual or an enlightening trip kinda thing. it really depends on peoples views i've never hit up an outdoor rave in mtl and never got the fuckin chance to go to tams :( ... well thats sorta a lie after nexus we went to tams after helping clean up ( wow cinder blocks for a table in dub room) which was a fucking baaaad idea because we were beat and i felt really disgusting as it was hot as hell in the psy room all night.. anyway trailing off we went to tams afterwards, climbed the hill and didn't make it to the top, we just passed out on the side of the hill JUST before tams so i haven't even seen what the gazebo looks like that everyone keeps talking about lol ;) but in all things are always evolving and changing, i mean if electronic music didn't evolve alone we would be dancing to what.. disco ? :P |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Tue Nov 23, 2010 @ 10:47pm |
| Coolness: 166545 | i have never been to wemf, but i am pretty sure eclipse is not like that at all... no renegade stages... there are three stages at eclipse; solar (psy & prog), lunar (techno & other), and stellar (chillout). and it doesn't last all week, it lasts one weekend... unless they get inspired by the boom and decide to make it longer for 2012... who knows ;). no renegade soundsystem is allowed, by respect for the people who want to not hear cacophony while they try to sleep... the main soundsystem is already powerful enough, that place is huge! eclipse is a really well organized production, made by only techsafari and the people they choose to collaborate with them.
OuiR1 may have more the kind of feel that would allow renegade stages, at the st-jean-basstiste party... but you'd need to speak with them first anyways, as the place it's held at does not always allow for more soundystems. but yeah i do see where you're coming from. a really more rave background. there used to be a very noticeable difference between raves and psy-trance parties... if you go back to toronto, try attending a shakti collective or a blacklight activists party, you'll see what i mean. the vibe is not the same. psy-trance parties generally focuses on different things than a rave. recently though in montreal there is not much difference anymore. i think that's what i notice, i think that is why i feel like the 'pure' vibe is going away. i have nothing against raves, i like them also... but i'm sad that this vibe is expanding and reducing the psy vibe that i love. i'd go to a psy party and find that people looked a lot more 'at peace', taking the time to actually do a warm up before dancing... lots of people on acid, on shrooms... mdma... weed... not so much speed, because the night was built is a way that you don't really need it. the music adapted to the human body, and not the human body trying to adapt to the music ;) the crowd was also a wide variety of ages, generally anywhere from 16 to 50 years old. there was a nice exchange between generations of trippy people. you still see them in outdoor psy parties. i'd also see a difference in the way people dress. psy-trancers tend to wear clothes that are really comfortable and have more 'natural' looks, because they come for trance and dance... occasional fluorescent accessory, trippy things... ravers will bring the whole artillery lol. bracelets, make-up, platforms, etc... everything that is actually NOT comfortable for dancing, yet they'll swear that it is... go figure ;) and massage tables... you just think that because you have not been into a real chillroom yet. i do hope that you get that opportunity, you'll see what i mean. they totally belong there. zenergica often makes a kiosk when there is a chillroom that has enough space for it. i've never recieved a massage from them, but i only hear good things about it. they are certified massage therapists that can work some serious issues on people... and you get back from the party with your body feeling in a better shape than when you got in ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Tue Nov 23, 2010 @ 11:22pm |
| Coolness: 66670 | the massage thing, sounds fucking awesome. it'd be nice to get one close to the end of a rave lol
and that kinda sucks for eclipse that theres no renegade stages, it's a great opportunity for people to experience allllll the genres of music and styles, but yeah sleeping you need earplugs ;), i'd like to hope eclipse wouldnt be a week long that's kind of insane i'd die i think hahaha. i'll check it out in t.o but i haven't seen alot of psy raves in toronto, my friend told me theres a pretty big scene thats kinda like u gotta be on a guestlist or some gay shit like that, not down. like i said i was big on the dnb scene in toronto and i gotta say raves in t.o and montreal the energy level is way way different especially the psy scene, thats why i was so confused at continuum when all that stuff was being thrown down i threw me off completely wemf was all ages as well and i still see raves where older people have gone, to me there will never be an age for rave. unless you're some serious old creeper that stalks people etc... haha i have always and only seen good vibes at the parties up here most drama i saw was when a girl spat in a guys face at resurrection cause he was going through ppls bags or something ? i dont know the details but for warming up for psytrance, well there always has been a progression at the beginning of the night for psytrance thats warming up to me if you ask me, unless you mean litteraly people going down and stretching :P i haven't seen the parties like i said from before for psy but i don't find the psy here commercial it has an underground feel and the energy is always there, hence thats why i had a complaint about continuum because it was my first experience where everything felt off know what i mean ? and i'm not quite sure what you mean about " pure vibes " from psytrance ? maybe music should be played according to our body's needs but lets face it, even if i'm tired i will still dance if there is an energetic vibe being played. at continuum i wasn't even tired it was like 4 a.m and my body felt like it was getting exhausted which is not normal for me at all.. at st jean baptiste ? maybe but i dont think i could get all the way down to quebec city with my sound system, too expensive and dangerous ;) ---- wemf was 16 + but anyway i considered it all ages |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Tue Nov 23, 2010 @ 11:51pm |
| Coolness: 166545 | people who go to eclipse don't go there to experiment all styles of music, they actually know what they want. and they already have enough with the ongoing programmation seriously lol. there are so many international headliners in all kinds of psy. when i go there i'm all like... ok fuck... when do i sleep? :) it's a completely different idea than the WEMF, and it does not suck at all.
shambhala is also like that, but bigger. they have 7 different stages, and you can't bring renegade sound either. it's the biggest outdoors electronic music party in Canada :) for the psy parties in toronto, no, you don't need a guestlist at all. but yes it's a tightly knit community, and it's one thing that is really awesome about it. people are friends, people are warm and friendly. i meant literally people stretching. engaging into contact dancing. capoeira. yoga. what i mean by pure vibe is... you do know the origins of psytrance, yes? it derived from goa music, which is music that is a hybrid between the philosophies of the hippies that left society and met up on beaches in goa, and some freaks people from europe and israel who had the electronic equipment... mix that with people taking the teachings from the yogis, and using some theories about how sounds make vibrate your body in certain ways that bring people to trance. and psychedelic philosophies, which encourage people to free themselves from themselves, from the system, from the imposed realities... and get together, and create better worlds. push boundaries. take trips. travel. other rave music have other histories. some went through urban cultures, hip-hop, hybridized with rasta... must jungle, drum n bass... which is why you often see a mix of thugs and rasta in those events. it's the culture where it came from. and so on and so forth, i don't know the origins of all music lol. but psytrance has a deep root on the beaches of india, and in the ashrams. 'spiritual nonsense'? well there would be no psy-trance without it. the hippies would make full-moon parties in arjuna, and other beaches. the parties grew bigger, and it gave birth to goa music, with all the influences of the travellers passing through that place. that's why this music is so rich and different. and when i can feel this in a party, the ever-present teaching from the wise people that were here before us... the simmering of all cultures, melting into one... that's what i call a pure vibe. no need to speak their words, no need to show pictures of shiva because it gets a bit cliche... but no need to disconnect completely from the essence either, and make it a rave, with all it's cliches... and one of the essential teachings is appreciation. and openness. and if you don't trust one dj to lead you somewhere, just go away. you may just not be ready to go there yet. it's ok. come back later... but don't doubt his wisdom and choices. he was put there for a reason... there is something to be learned from every dj, from every music. -- st-jean-basstiste is celebrated all through quebec. not just in quebec city... the party that is organized by OuiR1 is happening in different places, it's been happening close to Rawdon, in St-Fortunat, last year it was in St-Damien. They just need to find a beautiful place where they can put sound and party without bothering people for a whole weekend, so that the cops don't stop the party. Update » AYkiN0XiA wrote on Wed Nov 24, 2010 @ 12:10am in the something to be learned from every dj but you're not ready... i speak from experience. i can't believe that i once thought that nuclear ramjet was boring ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» perception replied on Wed Nov 24, 2010 @ 9:35am |
| Coolness: 65885 | I've only read till 10:26pm, just want to add the obvious fact that, in many areas of life the older folks complain that the younger kids don't get it :p It isn't spiritual enough, it isn't like it use to be and so on, you see it every where, grandparents talk about that, parents as well, what the older folk don't seem to get, is that they are the teachers, if they want to keep a tradition alive they have to pass it down, teach the kids, while at the same accepting that the kids will innovate and build on top of the old traditions. If elders want to see something happen, they should organize it, and that includes you Anne, if you wanna see something, build it and invite others to rejoice in it with you.
My favourite parties are always the ones that are between a hippie fest and hardcore psychedelic beats, I always want both, the atmosphere is so much more fulfilling when you have the option to chill out, talk, interact and when your re-energized to go bounce on the dance floor. I sincerely think that the spiritual aspect to dance has to kept alive, and it's the responsibility of the elders to pass it on. also, I don't think people disregard yours suggestions Anne, I think some simply don't want to organize such an event, they hear and respectfully decline. On the other hand, you have Adam totally organizing events as your imagine them, no? p.s I will read the remainder of the posts :) just pressed for time right now :p |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Wed Nov 24, 2010 @ 10:01am |
| Coolness: 166545 | i am sooo not an organized person, that's why i don't organize parties. (earthdance always kind of just organizes itself lol). if i were to organize something it would lack the whole beautiful well-organized technical aspect that the parties are so good at providing nowadays, and i don't think it would be a step forward... it would just be 'the other side'.
what i speak of is having all aspects together. i just want the people who do organize to be more opened and aware of some things. and i can totally help out in those aspects......... if they let me in. provide me with a small soundsystem and someone to make it work, and i'll bring chillout djs, and chillout deco, lights, etc. bam, a chillroom... and it WOULD bring additionnal people to the party, if promoted the right way. and no, adam does not organize events like i would want them either, as this year there was no psy at all in that party, it was all chillout... but the previous years it was really there though. adam though, does not have much of the dancefloor experience, he's not a psy-trancer. he's a chillout person... i'd ask him to organize a chillroom or conference room anytime, but when i look at the line-up on the psy floor at open-mind, it was lacking some aspects, still. (he thinks that dark music = the devil music... and that it's a good idea to stop the music at sunrise to make a collective om... :/) i really like the vibe of mofarlo parties, and i've been in on that, but... mmm... it also lacks the well-organized professional aspect when dealing with money and stuff. so i am just wondering... how can we have all the good stuff in one party? because it seems like those who organize parties nowadays have not take the time to listen to all the teachings. that's a bit of why i write here, too. i hope some of them hear this. :) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Wed Nov 24, 2010 @ 1:27pm |
| Coolness: 66670 | well it all depends, first back to a few posts ago, yeah i agree i dont know why some ppl bring heels and shit to a rave 'shrugs' LOL if they find it comfy then to each their own i guess, i honestly find just rave pants and comfy shoes are good, the erst is just extra crap, but sometimes it gets in the way especially when i'm stringin.. but neway if they think its comfy maybe it is maybe it isn't but i find its a way to express yourself at raves as well.
anyway moving on, uhm well it honestly wouldn't take too much organization or cash if you really wanted to throw a rave suited to your style per say. i plan on throwing down a dirty rave next year actually haha. depending on how much cash you have noah actually caters to people with your needs in a sense, he will offer the sound system if you offer the location and split the door money etc i believe he'll even help you promote but you'd have to ask him. but it isn't really all THAT hard, for the location you can check up on the existing venues or search around for a new one that would probably be the hardest part, aside from that have your closest and most trust worthy of friends handle the door with you, promotion wouldnt be too hard depending on how many people you want to come, promoting at raves similiar to the ones you want to throw is ideal, you can share what you're going to be bringing briefly etc. and i'd say if you could get security as well though i dont know too much on that, as for deco if you're artistic and have time you could make your own which would save $$ as well and it would be exactly the way YOU want a party, and if you have security you may even be able to go in and enjoy your work ^^ relaly its, location, sound system, promote,promote,promote! i might be missing a few things but its the general idea ! i think you could pull it off =) anyway! as for psytrance maybe i am inexperienced, and the dnb i've gone too hasn't really had too many rastas and thugs because of the type of dnb i like, it's more electronic than the generic dnb i'd have to show you the type of dnb i listen too.. pretty sick though haha, anyway maybe it will take me some time to get used to the psy that you're talking about but i honestly don't find myself enjoying it as much as what the psy i listen too now ;) well it's too bad there aren't renegade stages, there were headliners at wemf as well no doubt and a main show, but it was nice to walk around and just see the different cultures of music i find they took away from the festival... eclipse i think will still be enjoyable but i just know it won't be the same, nonetheless i wont judge until i go |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Wed Nov 24, 2010 @ 8:25pm |
| Coolness: 166545 | no seriously i have no interest in organising shit. i'm not the one to tell people YOU COME TO MY PARTY. lol. i'm just not like that... i CAN promote, but i'm not the agressive promoter type of person... really i just want to be there, supporting the people who do organize the stuff already. what we need is NOT more parties, but better quality parties. i don't want to enter in competition with the existing events, because i respect them, and i know that they are good people who love what they do. more parties mean more competition, more rivality for the same crowd with little money... so many people come to me saying 'you know what, i want to organize my own rave, or my own festival, and i'd do things this way blablabla...' i don't think it's the solution... we'd just have 3 parties each weekend, and no one to come to them, you know :)
what i suggest is to enhance the already existing parties. getting involved. make chillrooms. start parties sooner with some special thing... such as fashion show, workshops, yoga, food... whatever, just make it special. end parties later... (is that possible at 3810?) make it more conscious, more 'real', warmer, more friendly. what i do at raves is usually deco anyways, so i think i'd have no problem with that.. lots of what you see that is not paintings... lots of lycra stuff, etc... that's what i mostly do. (see pictures of the party Mort... i was also doing the deco at continuum (with 24h advice before the party, that kind of sucked because i had no time to prepare anything special) we will also be doing setup at Spore) and just doing that is a lot of energy, believe me, a nice setup means non-stop physical work of 2 to 4 people from 2pm until the party starts... that's without counting the hours spent at home actually creating the stuff, cutting the fabrics, etc... this is what i like to do though, create spaces for the people to dance in, create environments to make each party special, totally different from one another. i don't think i'd have time to deal with organizing the money for sound, room, etc, etc. i'm not comfortable with managing money, and i know very little about soundsystems anyways.. i just know it when i hear good sound ;) -- the difference between eclipse and the wemf is possibly a good example of the difference between a psy party and a rave. eclipse does not need more stages. eclipse is just good the way it is. bringing renegade stages would alter the vibe in a way that would change the whole festival into a 'rave', and attract people that have no business in being there anyways. it's the difference between a psychedelic party vs a rave with psytrance Update » AYkiN0XiA wrote on Wed Nov 24, 2010 @ 9:19pm though I really hate the ever increasing risset tone style rising note people put in alot of melodic psy for buildups as well as the rapid fire kick>drop off> drop the beat again break downs, some psy is riddled with cliche.
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» Kire replied on Wed Nov 24, 2010 @ 10:32pm |
| Coolness: 66670 | well after a read through some of the posts there are alot that i disagree with, i personally don't think psytrance should be related to drug use, i feel alot of dj's and producers wouldn't want people to have an intimate relationship with psytrance and drug use, whether it be melodic or fullon the appreciation of psy whether it be enlightening or just psychedellic can be achieved with a straight mind as well. anyway that being said
they're saying that the outdoor psy parties have a more mature crowd and an older fan base and claim it to be a more 'mature' crowd i can't agree with that as maybe age has an effect at a certain point for parties vs raves but lets face it we're not all 14 year old e-tards :P i agree with some of what was posted, i believe you can find assholes at a psy party, psy rave, dnb rave hardcore, happy hardcore etc ... well not happy hardcore i think the candy kids disregard litteraly anything anyone ever says to them, haha anyway i believe the vibe of a psy party as it's put isn't the setting or location really, yeah outdoor nature would have a great effect but honestly it depends on the targetted audience, know what i mean ? "though I really hate the ever increasing risset tone style rising note people put in alot of melodic psy for buildups as well as the rapid fire kick>drop off> drop the beat again break downs, some psy is riddled with cliche. -- ( Psychedelic Gleam ) -- " he's saying melodic psy but that's in fullon too, and it has a major effect for buildups, i mean that sort of wind up is what causes tension as the song reaches a peak before a bassdrop. he's basically saying that he'd rather a constant flow of music with no real climax to the song, sure that's cool for melodic but not for fullon, the a song without climax is tasteless imo, i'm referring to fullon because it is what my whole point for this discussion is and you posting that only leads me to believe that you're referring to fulln as well :P anyway i find if you look into things you can find anything cliche or generic, as alien said it genres follow a mold, it has too, melodic prog goa etc maybe there are aspects people don't like about it but thats what makes it diverse, the additions to the mold and what makes the song. there is alot i agree with and don't agree with in that topic, there will always be a great vibe and positive energy with psy raves and psy parties, it's just how you interpret it if your idea of energy and flow and etc is better served with slower more melodic and trancey psy then it is broken down to personal preference ;) --------- for eclipse well i'm curious to see what it has to offer i'm personally kinda sad that they dont have renegade stages but can't have your cake and eat it too right ? ;) an all psy weekend event i'm down to check that out |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» AYkiN0XiA replied on Wed Nov 24, 2010 @ 10:58pm |
| Coolness: 166545 | i just posted the link because the discussion is related, not saying a agree with anything they said... just an interesting read, rallying different points of view :)
hm you say we're not all 14... well i don't see a lot of ravers that are 14 anyways. but there is a big difference between a crowd whose mean age is 20 or 21 and an crowd whose mean age is 26 or 27. - yes i know it's in full-on too. but it's like...... we don't truely need that for energy. i used to take all my energy from those build-ups, but i learned to get it from the bounce in between the beats... which is a lot more efficient and satisfying :) it's almost... another way to listen to the same music... now those tones and stuff, i just find them annoying. i understand why they are there, because i know how i used to perceive the music. but i really appreciate when someone makes a set with a lot less of that stuff, it speaks to me a lot more, makes me reach the higher states of trance that i know... with experience... maturity. that's why i say that -- people were not ready to appreciate it. yet it needed to be played, because even if the crowd is young, it's always good to be exposed to something else. and there were enough people on that dancefloor to appreciate those beats. but if you continue to dance to psy and your whole body will know it at some point. well... it's not easy to speak of this on the internet. go to outdoor parties and take the time to watch how the older people react to the psytrance music. those that have countless hours of dancefloor experience behind them and have travelled to many parties around the world, you can recognize them easily by the way they dance. watch their step, their bounce. there is something to be learned there - that's all i can tell you for now. it's something that has been transmitted from the beginnings of goa parties, it's an initiatory way to trance dance. and if you want to learn and have the trust and patience for it, i can guide you a bit (but really you are your own teacher). then you'll understand why that music is good. ;) |
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| Good [+1]Toggle ReplyLink» perception replied on Wed Nov 24, 2010 @ 11:55pm |
| Coolness: 65885 | "i'd go to a psy party and find that people looked a lot more 'at peace', taking the time to actually do a warm up before dancing... lots of people on acid, on shrooms... mdma... weed... not so much speed, because the night was built is a way that you don't really need it. the music adapted to the human body, and not the human body trying to adapt to the music ;)
the crowd was also a wide variety of ages, generally anywhere from 16 to 50 years old. there was a nice exchange between generations of trippy people. you still see them in outdoor psy parties. " your so right! I thought it was weird when I was young and now I find myself referring back to it often *sigh* I have seen massage tables on several occasions at ravea, and not always in the chill, sometimes on the side near the main room :p And I have received a massage from zenargica (or however it's spelt), it totally gave me energy for another few hours of dance :D I always stretch hahahaha, I dance a bit, warm up and then stretch my back, legs and arms hahaha *geek* :) I've never been to any of the yoga sessions that are sometimes offered before parties... can never convince my better half to head out (and I am not driving back and forth). I've heard of the contact dancing out in BC and other parties in the states, would take a close knit community to dance freely like that :) -you don't have to organize it ALONE lol, team up with a technical and a well organized person- Although, you are right, we don't need more parties, just better comprehensive ones...Adam is a bit flaky ;) and I was referring to the psymind!? was there not psy there!? and the chillout aspect that you like, I think we are in the same boat on wanting EVERYTHING haha :D Psy, chill (area), prog, psychedelic drugs, clean area, good sound... You guys brought up some really good points, I like how it came down to differentiating between a rave and a psychedelic event! Very well thought out! To create a psychedelic event one must take sn integrative and comprehensive approach, and it is true that the MTL crews arent really into that. Cosmic Orgasm has been playing on TO more and more often and in QC and they keep telling me about how different it is, and I think it comes down to what you guys are talking about, there is a journey, an experience beyond just listening to hard beats, it is a bit theatrical and not in the sense of drama, but in the sense of organized fun, the evening and night progress with different themes with the unified goal of living a psychedelic experience. The only thing we can do, is be part of the change, slowly add little elements to each event and watch it snowball into something beautiful... |
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