Originally Posted By MOLOCH

Here's a new spin on the subject.

What if I think that I don't need any kind of dogma to live a good life? What if I choose to follow my inherent sense of right & wrong?

More often than not, hallucinations can all be explained. Some chemical imbalance, a drug, food poisoning, starvation, sleep deprivation, psychosis, schizophrenia.

We could stick an electrode in your brain to stimulate that particular spot, and stimulated it when you took a shit, and your brain would think that this dump was a religious experience; that this turd you just laid is a gift from whatever deity or belief system you just so happen to believe in. We could then stimulate it when you're eating a piece of toast and you would perceive this piece of toast as if it were a gift from the heavens, and that this particular toast is something deeply and profoundly life-changing for you.

You're never going to see some psytrance hippie have a trip and come out worshiping Satan or Allah, they're going to have a trip that reinforces what they already believe or suspect may be "the truth".

Dreams and near-death experiences have also been explained; our brain produces DMT, and when we sleep, a little is released. That's what makes us dream. Death/near-death experiences are the same, only instead of releasing a little, your brain dumps it's store, much like how it dumps it's seratonin store when you take some MDMA.

You expect it, so when your final (or not-so-final) DMT trip starts, you see what you expect you're going to see.

Here's a new spin on the subject.

What if I think that I don't need any kind of dogma to live a good life? What if I choose to follow my inherent sense of right & wrong? We all know the difference. We ALL know when we're beeing a douche. Thing is, if you follow your feelings, without giving in to greed or any other negative influence, would that not garantee a good life? I mean, I don't really believe in a god per say, but I do believe that deities were created by man to illustrate the way to go.

And well, If I'm completely beside the point, I think that when I die or somethin', and I get in front of that supreme beeing, I'll stand tall, just for having spent my life trying to do the right thing according to my innate sense of correctness. I mean, What kind of a God would shun me for using something he built into my beeing as a meter for righteousness?

Of course, maybe my senses are wrong, but what would really matter in this case is that I actually tried to be good. True to my heart, and I never makes excuses for my wrong doings.
In the end, I guess my point is that God did not create humans in his image. Man created God in HIS image.

My two cents.

Well, in my normal awake state, the laws of physics apply equally to everyone, whereas in a trance or in a dream state, the physical laws dont apply .

Bettering ones self's is always relative to the goals we set ourselves.

But I come to a dead stop when anyone tries to impose their deities or Gods based on THEIR views and beliefs.

Originally Posted By ZOMBIENATHAN

amen! ;)

... then we all die and find out that Satan was the good guy :p

Originally Posted By DATABOY

"...I don't want to hurt your feelings, but this is some of the most obvious circular thinking I've ever heard. You believe the physical world is the real deal because the physical laws apply there?.... ... .. . Think about it for a minute...or two...or more.

Beside, how do you know there is "everyone"...that you're not experimenting hallucinations of "other people". How do you know the laws of physics aren't hallucinations to? "

This dream within a dream deal of your is quite futile as far as I'm concerned. The physical laws are what keeps your cells agglomerated together so I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss there importance.

Originally Posted By DATABOY

"I may be wrong, but there is a common Goal that seems to be the same with everyone."

Like eating and taking a crap?

Originally Posted By DATABOY

But in the grand scheme of things, we are nothing really, but we still think we are at the center of the universe.

Originally Posted By WHITELIGHT

Agreed. But higher intelligence --> greater possibilities and capacity for a better understanding.

Originally Posted By MASA

Oooh, not denying that, but you said it, operative word is "capacity"
I also happen to believe in the "lowest common denominator" concept

Collective intelligence, from my experience, is pretty stoopid

Originally Posted By BLISSS

Thats a very arrogant thing to say, what makes you think you're smarter than the average jo?

Originally Posted By BLISSS

Do you do a lot of coke Masa? Just curious....